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NYKBocker
Posts: 37948 Alba Posts: 474 Joined: 1/14/2003 Member: #377 USA |
8/9/2019 9:52 AM
This is sad.
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Nalod
Posts: 68677 Alba Posts: 154 Joined: 12/24/2003 Member: #508 USA |
8/9/2019 10:59 AM
Would have been more dignified to keep the request to play USA ball not in the public eye.
Im not sure "Melo the Mentor" is in his toolbox. not all veteran players are good teachers. Seems Melo is well liked but we talking the business of basketball. What does he bring to the table that Team USA can't get elsewhere? We don't know is Melo not down with a bench role? Team USA or otherwise? |
Papabear
Posts: 24351 Alba Posts: 2 Joined: 3/31/2007 Member: #1414 |
8/9/2019 11:16 AM
Papabear Says
And we wonder why no stars don't want to come to New York. Melo was well liked by the other super stars in the game. Sure he should have waited till the end of the season so we wouldn't have to give up our whole team when he came here. He should have embraced Lin sanity but I think he was jealous Lin got greedy and took the money that year. Melo had a broken team when he was here. If he humbled himself and sat at the end of the bench and help by having those special moments I wouldn't mind bringing him back. Papabear
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franco12
Posts: 33192 Alba Posts: 4 Joined: 2/19/2004 Member: #599 USA |
8/9/2019 11:31 AM
arkrud wrote:NYKBocker wrote:This is sad. Really? I think USA basketball could use him for the FIBA tournament. You have stars that don't want to play cause they will get hurt. Melo still can contribute to the right NBA team. I think they should have found a way to let him play. |
martin
Posts: 68676 Alba Posts: 108 Joined: 7/24/2001 Member: #2 USA |
8/9/2019 11:37 AM
franco12 wrote:arkrud wrote:NYKBocker wrote:This is sad. Contribute what? And why do you think he can still contribute after spending practically a whole season on the sidelines? The team that Melo last left was Houston. No idea what their defensive priority was and I'd guess Melo didn't either. He didn't want to come off the bench and was a stinker on O. What else is there? Official sponsor of the PURE KNICKS LOVE Program
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Nalod
Posts: 68677 Alba Posts: 154 Joined: 12/24/2003 Member: #508 USA |
8/9/2019 12:45 PM
Melo could have come as a free agent. That summer he had minor knee surgery. Not a good time to make a move. Also there the end of the collective bargaining and a threat of a prolonged strike. Its why JR smith went to China.
Melo would have been making a bad business decision to have done this. Nets were all ready with an offer if knicks did not bite. I don't blame Melo for knicks woes in his tenure exclusively. ITs easy to look back but have to look at the moment decisions were made. Melo's trade request and the leverage he had at the moment as well as the collective bargaining agreement issue all played a big role. Melo was never going to be in play as a free agent. |
technomaster
Posts: 23228 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 6/30/2003 Member: #426 USA |
8/9/2019 1:05 PM LAST EDITED: 8/9/2019 7:16 PM
For those that are still griping on the Carmelo to Denver trade... it wasn't so bad. After all we got the best player of the bunch, got some good role players, and did a salary dump (ie we got rid of Eddy Curry as part of the deal!).
To the Knicks: To the Nuggets: To the Wolves: In 2016 the Knicks finished with a 32-50 record. The Nuggets finished with a 33-49 record. The Nuggets ended up drafting 7th, picking Jamal Murray. The Knicks had traded that pick to the Raptors which eventually became the 9th pick in the draft, who became Jakob Poetl, who didn't appear to play in the NBA in 2018-2019. So the question here is did the Knicks really do so bad? I think Chandler was in line for a big contract extension. He was basically a 16ppg/6rpg player. Gallo was a 16ppg/5rpg player who barely shot 40% from the field. Eddy Curry needed to go (salary dump), so did Randolph. The draft pick swap really didn't mean much. Mosgov seemed like a lot to give up, but we ended up getting answers over the next few seasons. The Knicks, on the other hand, picked up some useful parts, well, at least Billups - who along with Carmelo made up 2/5 of the starting line up - those 2 plus Stoudemire made a pretty good big 3. I'm pretty sure the Knicks made a mistake (at the time) by letting Brewer go for nothing. And Shelden Williams will go down in history as one of the most surprising lottery busts (he was age 27 at the time of the trade and his star had already passed...) I guess the important thing to consider is that every season is an opportunity to win a title. We already had Amare in place... if you wait 'til after the season to get a FA, that season is lost. The Knicks did end up with a championship worthy cast that included Tyson Chandler, Rasheed, Kmart, JR Smith, Shumpert, and Kidd anyway... so the Knicks weren’t barebones very long either. In the long run and just like the Knicks, the Nuggets ended up sucking a few years after the trade (frequent injuries to Gallo and Chandler didn't help) too, but they've done a good job of bouncing back, in large part due to Jokic (2015 2nd round pick, #41 overall) turning into a superstar, something NO ONE would have predicted. Perhaps only KAT at #1 overall - the same draft where KP was #4 - is a better player. That's 39 mistakes - and some teams even had multiple shots to pick Jokic. There's probably the makings of a good article about the career arcs of Jokic vs KP to be made... but I won't go into that here. “That was two, two from the heart.” - John Starks
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franco12
Posts: 33192 Alba Posts: 4 Joined: 2/19/2004 Member: #599 USA |
8/9/2019 2:39 PM
martin wrote:franco12 wrote:arkrud wrote:NYKBocker wrote:This is sad. I guess there are two things. Can Melo help USA basketball? I think so. They don't play a lot of defense, and it's not like this is the dream team. Can he help an NBA Team? Yes, but is Melo willing to take on the right role for that scenario? And I don't think anybody knows the answer to this. Yes, things didn't work out in Houston or OKC. Do we know why? I don't think we do. But, yes, I think its reasonably to assume he was not willing/able to play that role then. Might he be now? Maybe. Where is the right team? I could throw out names. Heck, Kanter with his zero defense has a contract and a role. |
arkrud
Posts: 32217 Alba Posts: 7 Joined: 8/31/2005 Member: #995 USA |
8/9/2019 3:00 PM
franco12 wrote:martin wrote:franco12 wrote:arkrud wrote:NYKBocker wrote:This is sad. It is not about what teams need but about what Melo wants. "There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy." Hamlet
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SupremeCommander
Posts: 33785 Alba Posts: 35 Joined: 4/28/2006 Member: #1127 |
8/9/2019 4:59 PM
franco12 wrote:martin wrote:franco12 wrote:arkrud wrote:NYKBocker wrote:This is sad. I don't agree that Melo can help USA hoops. I don't see him deferring to the team. I see him trying to beat his own records and prove that he is still keepin it Me7o. I wouldn't want his ego and rehabbing his NBA value if I were trying to build a team Sambakick wrote:
Gives a whole new meaning to "Jazz Hands"
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technomaster
Posts: 23228 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 6/30/2003 Member: #426 USA |
8/10/2019 8:54 AM
In most instances for Team USA, get open shots, take 'em. The end. On the other end, they usually play zone defense. Carmelo's reasonable at that.
Only on rare occasions (medal games) are the games highly contested/better defense, and there actually is some need for ISO play. Carmelo the Olympic player would have been fantastic. Disappointing. “That was two, two from the heart.” - John Starks
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Marv
Posts: 35540 Alba Posts: 69 Joined: 9/2/2002 Member: #315 |
8/10/2019 10:23 AM
reality has spoken. there is no market for this man’s services.
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martin
Posts: 68676 Alba Posts: 108 Joined: 7/24/2001 Member: #2 USA |
8/10/2019 11:18 AM
franco12 wrote:martin wrote:franco12 wrote:arkrud wrote:NYKBocker wrote:This is sad. And yet you don't. You didn't even answer the basic question: What is Melo contributing after being out of basketball for a year, at age 35? He has yet to accept a role on a team. Proved that the last 2 years. Which team is going to give up a spot on the bench to give Melo minutes? And not for nothing but Pop, JVG and the rest will probably puke at your suggestion that they dont play defense on the USA team. Official sponsor of the PURE KNICKS LOVE Program
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jrodmc
Posts: 32927 Alba Posts: 50 Joined: 11/24/2004 Member: #805 USA |
8/10/2019 12:20 PM
technomaster wrote:For those that are still griping on the Carmelo to Denver trade... it wasn't so bad. After all we got the best player of the bunch, got some good role players, and did a salary dump (ie we got rid of Eddy Curry as part of the deal!). FluTyson, Rashweed (who retired), KMart?, JR, Shump? and the ghost of JKidd are championship worthy? What championship? The Big3 league? NBDL? Are you serious? It's very simple. The Knicks sucked and had not made the playoffs since 2001. Knicks make the playoffs, win a division and actually win a playoff series with a bunch of geriatrics and Mrs. Hibbert. End of argument. |