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7/17/2019  12:39 PM
jrodmc wrote:
HofstraBBall wrote:
blkexec wrote:
JoeyBagadonuts wrote:Overall, a pretty fair ranking, although I’m more optimistic about Brazdeikis and Trier.

I think both are special....

Mitch
RJ
Iggy
Trier
Randle


Have star potential....

Knox was in that category, but he has to show me something this year.

Look at the learning opportunities those 5 or 6 players will get this year, playing with and hanging with blue collar vets.

I may be in the minority but I think Knox will be the best of the "youngest" core. Think his game translates better to todays NBA game. He has the ability to get his shot off and favors the three. Think some dismiss others short comings but expect more from Knox at such a young age. If we think about it he has an above average three point shot and has the confidence to take it at a high click. His reads and court vision will come and is par for the course for most 19/20 year olds.

RJ seems like he will not be explosive but can take advantage of height differentials. See him as developing a similar game to harde. Maybe handling the ball and getting to the rim with savy instead of explosiveness. Seems to know how to draw fouls, as does Harden. Think once he improves his 3pt. shot he will be a tough cover for a SG.

Mitch is going to be around for years. Has and endless motor and natural ability on defense. Think he can improve his offense with a solid 10 footer. No reason as he has good form on foul shots. His trouble will come staying out of foul trouble. Dont see that to be an issue as that comes with experience.

Randle is probably the best short term potential. If he continues to improve as he has the last couple of years he will be a solid core player. Excellent PnR guy that woould go well with DSJR, RJ or any other PG.

Trier reminds me of a young Lou Williams. Instant offense. Think he will also be around for years. If he can develop better court vision and set others up on offense he will be better suited for a starting role.

Frank is a physical beast. He is already one of the best defenders on most rosters. He has little confidence on offense but I saw signs last year that showed the ability to average 15 plus. I was upset with Frank as our pick but I am buying low.

Smith Jr, I feel has the most potential to be our long awaited PG. Think he has very good court vision and likes to set others up on offense. Something most on here did not understand until last year. He has a bad hitch on his shot and should be something that can be changed. Seems like he did over the summer. Fixing it in a game is a different story. But if he does, and stays healthy, I see him as someone that will create easy shots for himself and others.

Iggy reminds me of Petrovic. (For old school guys), in the way he is crafty at getting to the hoop. He also has good elevation and LOADS of confidence. Something I look for in all the young players.

Not sure or about Portis. But with his size and ability he has a lot of potential and be the wild card.

Payton seems like a solid back up and one to run a second unit well. Outside shot may keep him as a back up.

Dotson, I think is ready now. Showed the ability to hit the three last year. COnfidence is high and I think may take the starting SG position. He also runs the floor and a solid defender. Of course I left him last but think he is the most likely to contribute early of the guys coming back from last year that did not start.

With that said, it all looks good on paper but we have A LOT of players that have something to prove. We shall see.

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Petro! "In face of yours, mothahfukah!" Dropped 40 on MJ. My favorite Net next to Dr J. Iggy Pops definitely seems to have that sort of swagger.

I'm warming up to Frank only because so many of the new acquisitions are being reported as defensively challenged, and Fiz, despite his stupid push-up challenge to Mitch last season, doesn't come across as a defensive mastermind. And because reading the never ending Nalod versus knicks1248 feud is just getting tiring.

And it would be nice to have a D-beast in the backcourt with our SL MVP MitchRob in the front court. Positionless basketball, my azz. Frankie-long-arms on the ball, Mitch at the rim.

I really like this scenario. We would lock down teams with those 2.

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7/17/2019  2:30 PM
HofstraBBall wrote:
blkexec wrote:
JoeyBagadonuts wrote:Overall, a pretty fair ranking, although I’m more optimistic about Brazdeikis and Trier.

I think both are special....

Mitch
RJ
Iggy
Trier
Randle


Have star potential....

Knox was in that category, but he has to show me something this year.

Look at the learning opportunities those 5 or 6 players will get this year, playing with and hanging with blue collar vets.

I may be in the minority but I think Knox will be the best of the "youngest" core. Think his game translates better to todays NBA game. He has the ability to get his shot off and favors the three. Think some dismiss others short comings but expect more from Knox at such a young age. If we think about it he has an above average three point shot and has the confidence to take it at a high click. His reads and court vision will come and is par for the course for most 19/20 year olds.

RJ seems like he will not be explosive but can take advantage of height differentials. See him as developing a similar game to harde. Maybe handling the ball and getting to the rim with savy instead of explosiveness. Seems to know how to draw fouls, as does Harden. Think once he improves his 3pt. shot he will be a tough cover for a SG.

Mitch is going to be around for years. Has and endless motor and natural ability on defense. Think he can improve his offense with a solid 10 footer. No reason as he has good form on foul shots. His trouble will come staying out of foul trouble. Dont see that to be an issue as that comes with experience.

Randle is probably the best short term potential. If he continues to improve as he has the last couple of years he will be a solid core player. Excellent PnR guy that woould go well with DSJR, RJ or any other PG.

Trier reminds me of a young Lou Williams. Instant offense. Think he will also be around for years. If he can develop better court vision and set others up on offense he will be better suited for a starting role.

Frank is a physical beast. He is already one of the best defenders on most rosters. He has little confidence on offense but I saw signs last year that showed the ability to average 15 plus. I was upset with Frank as our pick but I am buying low.

Smith Jr, I feel has the most potential to be our long awaited PG. Think he has very good court vision and likes to set others up on offense. Something most on here did not understand until last year. He has a bad hitch on his shot and should be something that can be changed. Seems like he did over the summer. Fixing it in a game is a different story. But if he does, and stays healthy, I see him as someone that will create easy shots for himself and others.

Iggy reminds me of Petrovic. (For old school guys), in the way he is crafty at getting to the hoop. He also has good elevation and LOADS of confidence. Something I look for in all the young players.

Not sure or about Portis. But with his size and ability he has a lot of potential and be the wild card.

Payton seems like a solid back up and one to run a second unit well. Outside shot may keep him as a back up.

Dotson, I think is ready now. Showed the ability to hit the three last year. COnfidence is high and I think may take the starting SG position. He also runs the floor and a solid defender. Of course I left him last but think he is the most likely to contribute early of the guys coming back from last year that did not start.

With that said, it all looks good on paper but we have A LOT of players that have something to prove. We shall see.

Welcome to the dark side. Its not we think Frank is so great. Its if he IS great we are looking at the Dramond Green of guards. He's got a lot of work to do but the potential is so good. Hopefully a couple of these kids pop, gell with the vets and we have a FUN season. Fingers crossed my orange and blue brothers.

Feel same way about Knox also. He might take the longest but he's a good kid also. Shot selection and pinch of defense would go a long ways but the kid tries as had as you can

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7/17/2019  10:32 PM
Knicks core is looking very good but it needs a go-to scorer.

If I was the Knicks FO I would keep an eye on Caris Levert in case he players really well cause the Nyets wont be able to play him and Oladipo who might decide to leave .....

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7/17/2019  11:48 PM
wargames wrote:Knicks core is looking very good but it needs a go-to scorer.

If I was the Knicks FO I would keep an eye on Caris Levert in case he players really well cause the Nyets wont be able to play him and Oladipo who might decide to leave .....

I think we have a go to scorer. The problem is we have too many players who can be, want to be, and think they are go to scoeres.

Trier
RJ
Randle
Morris
DSJ

All these guys can get a bucket, in iso situations....When the coaches play doesn't work, and there are seconds on the clock. The problem is we have too many and not one established player. Trier was that player last year as a rookie. Randle has shown flashes last year with NO.

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7/18/2019  3:12 AM
wargames wrote:Knicks core is looking very good but it needs a go-to scorer.

If I was the Knicks FO I would keep an eye on Caris Levert in case he players really well cause the Nyets wont be able to play him and Oladipo who might decide to leave .....

I never watch Nets games, so never actually saw any of Caris Levert's games- what exactly makes him so good? (genuine question) Looking at his stats he looks like a shooting guard that can't shoot- FG% around 42%, 3PT around 32%, even his FT rate is around 70%, plus he seems injury prone.

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7/21/2019  7:46 AM
CrushAlot wrote:
Jmpasq wrote:
JoeyBagadonuts wrote:Overall, a pretty fair ranking, although I’m more optimistic about Brazdeikis and Trier.

I don't know what to think of Trier. He is already one of the best iso players in the league but so was Trey Burke ( Burke was better ). What makes Trier potientally special is his 3 point shooting. The guy is already flirting with 40%. If he improves even slightly he will be one off the best 3 point shooters in the NBA. He also gets to the line at a high rate and hits 80% of his free throws.

Wow. Trier was basically a 45, 40, 80 guy last year. That is really impressive for a rookie. If he bumps his fg% up he will flirt with being a 50, 40, 80 guy.

Yeah is a little older for a rookie but those efficeny numbers are very good for a rookie. Is he a 6th man, end of the bench player, or a starter? I think its all on the table for him still. Its his decision making that will determine how good he ends up. His assist/to ratio is poor for someone that handles the ball so much. However I thought it improved throughout the season. He shoots the 3 well but he doesn't take enough of them. Only 25% of hs shots are 3 point attempts Id like that number to be 40%-50%.
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7/21/2019  8:05 AM
Jmpasq wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
Jmpasq wrote:
JoeyBagadonuts wrote:Overall, a pretty fair ranking, although I’m more optimistic about Brazdeikis and Trier.

I don't know what to think of Trier. He is already one of the best iso players in the league but so was Trey Burke ( Burke was better ). What makes Trier potientally special is his 3 point shooting. The guy is already flirting with 40%. If he improves even slightly he will be one off the best 3 point shooters in the NBA. He also gets to the line at a high rate and hits 80% of his free throws.

Wow. Trier was basically a 45, 40, 80 guy last year. That is really impressive for a rookie. If he bumps his fg% up he will flirt with being a 50, 40, 80 guy.

Yeah is a little older for a rookie but those efficeny numbers are very good for a rookie. Is he a 6th man, end of the bench player, or a starter? I think its all on the table for him still. Its his decision making that will determine how good he ends up. His assist/to ratio is poor for someone that handles the ball so much. However I thought it improved throughout the season. He shoots the 3 well but he doesn't take enough of them. Only 25% of hs shots are 3 point attempts Id like that number to be 40%-50%.

Trier is a rhythm and feel shooter. He needs to get his man off balance and feel out the defense with his hesitation moves....

Hes currently not a great catch and shooter player, which is what this team needs and why Bullock was added. But I agree, the skys the limit for him. Based on fitz style of coaching, he will let Trier be himself, so that's most likely a 6th man role with occasional starts.

Personally I think his goal should be trying to get 6 man award....Time for Lue to step down and make room for Trier.

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7/21/2019  10:17 AM
smackeddog wrote:
wargames wrote:Knicks core is looking very good but it needs a go-to scorer.

If I was the Knicks FO I would keep an eye on Caris Levert in case he players really well cause the Nyets wont be able to play him and Oladipo who might decide to leave .....

I never watch Nets games, so never actually saw any of Caris Levert's games- what exactly makes him so good? (genuine question) Looking at his stats he looks like a shooting guard that can't shoot- FG% around 42%, 3PT around 32%, even his FT rate is around 70%, plus he seems injury prone.

He was really good before he got hurt at the start of the year. He also played well in the playoffs. We are talking about a 20 game sample size of elite play.

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