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knicks1248
Posts: 42059 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 2/3/2004 Member: #582 |
7/19/2019 10:45 AM LAST EDITED: 7/19/2019 10:48 AM
fishmike wrote:knicks1248 wrote:Thrilled with signing Baker? You made that up on the spot.smackeddog wrote:knicks1248 wrote:StarksEwing1 wrote:knicks1248 wrote:Mitch for Lonzo would be a god awful trade...thank god they wouldn't do thatNalod wrote:knicks1248 wrote:Possible trade with pelicansJust look at the shooting guard position. Hart, Walker-Alexander, Redick, E'Twaun Moore and Jrue Holiday would all be starters on certain teams. How does New Orleans plan to find minutes for all of them? They could slide some over to small forward, but Ingram and Kenrich Williams are in the picture there as well, while Ball and Frank Jackson should play the bulk of their point guard minutes. Hayes might not see the court at all as a rookie, as Favors and Jahlil Okafor will demand playing time, and Williamson will need to be exposed to some center minutes just to see how he fares. I started this thread stating Baker wasnt going to see no minutes, your reponse was I didn't make sense...BAKER WAS WAIVED 90 days later fishmike Baker is out of the NBA a yr later..and you said it was skilled..lmao So who makes sense now.. There's another thread I started when he got signed( i won't go that far back), that you were ok with the wasting of 16 million dollars for a guy who played less than 20 games of that contract ES
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Nalod
Posts: 68624 Alba Posts: 154 Joined: 12/24/2003 Member: #508 USA |
7/19/2019 10:59 AM
knicks1248 wrote:fishmike wrote:knicks1248 wrote:Thrilled with signing Baker? You made that up on the spot.smackeddog wrote:knicks1248 wrote:StarksEwing1 wrote:knicks1248 wrote:Mitch for Lonzo would be a god awful trade...thank god they wouldn't do thatNalod wrote:knicks1248 wrote:Possible trade with pelicansJust look at the shooting guard position. Hart, Walker-Alexander, Redick, E'Twaun Moore and Jrue Holiday would all be starters on certain teams. How does New Orleans plan to find minutes for all of them? They could slide some over to small forward, but Ingram and Kenrich Williams are in the picture there as well, while Ball and Frank Jackson should play the bulk of their point guard minutes. Hayes might not see the court at all as a rookie, as Favors and Jahlil Okafor will demand playing time, and Williamson will need to be exposed to some center minutes just to see how he fares. HE starts it out "Im not a Ron Baker fan". Baker had some good moments. Most of us liked the kid. |
arkrud
Posts: 32217 Alba Posts: 7 Joined: 8/31/2005 Member: #995 USA |
7/19/2019 11:14 AM
Nalod wrote:knicks1248 wrote:fishmike wrote:knicks1248 wrote:Thrilled with signing Baker? You made that up on the spot.smackeddog wrote:knicks1248 wrote:StarksEwing1 wrote:knicks1248 wrote:Mitch for Lonzo would be a god awful trade...thank god they wouldn't do thatNalod wrote:knicks1248 wrote:Possible trade with pelicansJust look at the shooting guard position. Hart, Walker-Alexander, Redick, E'Twaun Moore and Jrue Holiday would all be starters on certain teams. How does New Orleans plan to find minutes for all of them? They could slide some over to small forward, but Ingram and Kenrich Williams are in the picture there as well, while Ball and Frank Jackson should play the bulk of their point guard minutes. Hayes might not see the court at all as a rookie, as Favors and Jahlil Okafor will demand playing time, and Williamson will need to be exposed to some center minutes just to see how he fares. Smart people learn on theirs own mistakes. "There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy." Hamlet
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TripleThreat
Posts: 23106 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 2/24/2012 Member: #3997 |
7/19/2019 3:48 PM
knicks1248 wrote:fishmike wrote:knicks1248 wrote:and you are retarded. Back to the point. Its a terrible trade. But you know what is funny? You are always making up stupid stuff about the value of shooting. Once again you contradict yourself. You want to trade for a PG who cant shoot? We already have those. Your genius is unsurpassed.StarksEwing1 wrote:knicks1248 wrote:Mitch for Lonzo would be a god awful trade...thank god they wouldn't do thatNalod wrote:knicks1248 wrote:Possible trade with pelicansJust look at the shooting guard position. Hart, Walker-Alexander, Redick, E'Twaun Moore and Jrue Holiday would all be starters on certain teams. How does New Orleans plan to find minutes for all of them? They could slide some over to small forward, but Ingram and Kenrich Williams are in the picture there as well, while Ball and Frank Jackson should play the bulk of their point guard minutes. Hayes might not see the court at all as a rookie, as Favors and Jahlil Okafor will demand playing time, and Williamson will need to be exposed to some center minutes just to see how he fares. knicks1248 has a point, but I suspect it's by accident. Or just blind luck where a broken clock is accurate twice a day. Lonzo Ball RIGHT NOW is worth more in trade than MRob. I know people here are fond of MRob, and so am I to be honest, but Ball is simply worth more. His free throw shooting woes are beyond bizarre. His dad is an *******. He likely will never be able to consistently create his own shot. But shooting is something you can work on and he's already a very good defender and a good decision maker on the court. He has the potential to be a solid 3 And D wing over time. MRob I really like, but wings are harder to find than pivots. Some factors. Playing next to LBJ is just tough for any player. Esp one who is tasked with running the offense but NOT running it at the same time. MRob had a nice rookie season, but **** I've heard about him and why he wasn't drafted earlier is kind of unpleasant. What he does on the court is fine, but what I've heard off court gives pause. Yes, I know blkexec went to some gym and shared the elliptical machine next to some chick MRob might have shared a smoothie with on a lunch break. But he fell in the draft for a reason. It is a bad trade offer, for the Pelicans. During the season, the narrative can shift if MRob holds his breakout. While many don't want to hear it, MRob might regress some this year. Big men take a lot longer to develop for a reason. |
Marv
Posts: 35540 Alba Posts: 69 Joined: 9/2/2002 Member: #315 |
7/19/2019 4:18 PM
TripleThreat wrote:knicks1248 wrote:fishmike wrote:knicks1248 wrote:and you are retarded. Back to the point. Its a terrible trade. But you know what is funny? You are always making up stupid stuff about the value of shooting. Once again you contradict yourself. You want to trade for a PG who cant shoot? We already have those. Your genius is unsurpassed.StarksEwing1 wrote:knicks1248 wrote:Mitch for Lonzo would be a god awful trade...thank god they wouldn't do thatNalod wrote:knicks1248 wrote:Possible trade with pelicansJust look at the shooting guard position. Hart, Walker-Alexander, Redick, E'Twaun Moore and Jrue Holiday would all be starters on certain teams. How does New Orleans plan to find minutes for all of them? They could slide some over to small forward, but Ingram and Kenrich Williams are in the picture there as well, while Ball and Frank Jackson should play the bulk of their point guard minutes. Hayes might not see the court at all as a rookie, as Favors and Jahlil Okafor will demand playing time, and Williamson will need to be exposed to some center minutes just to see how he fares. i dispute this. #1 i think mitchrob will be a more effective player than lonzo. let's track that. #2 the knicks could never afford to trade him from a credibility and fan loyalty perspective. especially for as unexciting a prospect as lonzo has shown himself to be 2 years into his career. |
TripleThreat
Posts: 23106 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 2/24/2012 Member: #3997 |
7/19/2019 6:48 PM
Marv wrote:i dispute this.
The current Knicks FA is proof that it's not that hard. They got players ( not elite ones but useful ones) on short contracts because the market collapsed on bigs. I like MRob. He might profile out to be an elite rim runner/rim protector. But the reality is the value is in wing play. Lonzo Ball is a high IQ player who can operate at full NBA game speed. He has length and can play hard nosed defense. He's got some raw elements but he can offer a possible versatile wing profile. Pelicans would never offer that deal straight up, if they did, I'd say take it. Ball is devalued because of his father and because he spent a season with LBJ and yes, his FT shooting is totally ****ed. But a future maxed out rim runner is going to create more tradeoffs than a functional 3 And D wing. Can Ball get there? I think he can. |
Nalod
Posts: 68624 Alba Posts: 154 Joined: 12/24/2003 Member: #508 USA |
7/19/2019 6:59 PM
I could agree with the “Ball is worth more” now thing. MRob is still very raw and offensively stiff as Christian Wood. I went there.
as for the “Yeah I heard things but I will still not reveal things but you should respect me cuz I said I Was in the NBA” does not hold enough unless you say what you heard or allude to it. A lottery player en route to eastern Kentucky? Then his to balls to not play? Was he dissecting cats in his basement or something? As for Rainman1248 trading mrob Straight up? Not buying it. Why? Cuz he said it. You have not sold me and you make sense. We discussed Jaxon Hayes already being a prospect that have. |
wargames
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7/19/2019 9:26 PM LAST EDITED: 7/19/2019 9:34 PM
I am actually surprised more people are not discussion RFA in 2020.
Buddy Heild Very good pieces to add to our core The algorithm gives and the algorithm takes away
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Jmpasq
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7/20/2019 8:38 AM LAST EDITED: 7/20/2019 8:43 AM
wargames wrote:I am actually surprised more people are not discussion RFA in 2020. Buddy Heild is really good, I would offer him a max. He has been durable as hell too. The problem is he is a RFA and the Kings will match so we have no chance. Those are the players we should target or trade for, Guys with the cheaper max where yu can get 2 or 3 and fill out the roster with a couple pieces. Kind of like Porzingis but without the sense of entitlement and general assholiness. Check out My NFL Draft Prospect Videos at Youtube User Pages Jmpasq,JPdraftjedi,Jmpasqdraftjedi. www.Draftbreakdown.com
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wargames
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7/20/2019 10:51 AM
Jmpasq wrote:wargames wrote:I am actually surprised more people are not discussion RFA in 2020. You’re right some of these are much more likely to be matched than others but a Max is 27 Mil. I know some of their teams will blink at that amount. So far all of them aren’t stars yet. We would overpay for the hopes they develop into the contract while the youth develops. We would have money to max out two of them. The algorithm gives and the algorithm takes away
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smackeddog
Posts: 38386 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 3/30/2005 Member: #883 |
7/20/2019 11:39 AM
wargames wrote:I am actually surprised more people are not discussion RFA in 2020. Interestingly this offseason marked the return of the sign-and-trade, which seems to have died out under the new CBA. In the past teams would offer a poison pill/huge over pay to try and land a RFA from a mother team, but this offseason it appears teams contacted the opposing team instead and worked out a sign and trade (see Brogdon)- helps both sides as the opposing team avoids having to grossly over pay and the team with the RFA gets back some stuff in return for not matching. |
wargames
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7/20/2019 11:51 AM
smackeddog wrote:wargames wrote:I am actually surprised more people are not discussion RFA in 2020. With the contracts we have that is a option. We can either send stuff back that’s not crap or just ditch the space and make an offer outright. The algorithm gives and the algorithm takes away
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Jmpasq
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7/20/2019 1:33 PM
wargames wrote:Jmpasq wrote:wargames wrote:I am actually surprised more people are not discussion RFA in 2020. I can't see Sacremento letting Heild go. I would offer max and see what happens. He has gotten better every year and he is a lights out shooter Check out My NFL Draft Prospect Videos at Youtube User Pages Jmpasq,JPdraftjedi,Jmpasqdraftjedi. www.Draftbreakdown.com
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Nalod
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7/20/2019 5:42 PM
Nice player. DOn't max out non max players.
Can't trade them either. |
wargames
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7/20/2019 6:03 PM LAST EDITED: 7/20/2019 6:08 PM
Honestly of all of them the two who might be realistically acquirable and live up to their potential is Ingram and Levert.
A lineup of: Starters Bench Idk that team could do something out east next year. A good mix of offense, defense, length, and Athleticism. The algorithm gives and the algorithm takes away
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