CrushAlot wrote:

Vmart wrote:

misterearl wrote:

Vmart wrote:The stem of the problem is not the young players but your coach and NYK developmental staff. The players really need to get wise if they want to succeed in the NBA. You absolutely should avoid the NYK development staff.

Fizdale has failed the young players. The man is not coaching material man I’m turning blue in the face saying the same shyt again and again. Fire this FO ASAP and get new blood from top to bottom before it’s to damn late and all these young guys become marginal players. There is no FO accountability.

In three days, Scott Perry will have been here for only two years.

The preliminary results of the regime change from the MIA Phil Jackson will not be known for another season.

I don’t see progress here and that is the deciding factor for me. I see player regression. I see retreads that teams have moved on from on one year deals as favors. I see very little of player development. I see alienation of what they consider not theirs. But long as you guys are okay with that. By December and January when shut hits the fan it will be another season of development down the drain.

I don't agree with any of this but I am going to push back on alienation of anything that is not theirs. Guys left from Phil's reign of terror are Dot, Frank and possibly Lance. Dot spent most of his first year developing in Westchester and last year was a rotation player that showed mid to low end 3 and d potential despite playing the year with a torn labrum. Second round pick developed in g league becomes rotation player. That just doesn't fit your narrative. Lance was the team captain last year despite having limited abilities and reports are out there that the Knicks will bring him back if they have a roster spot. I don't see anyway Lance gets minutes on this year's team but management still would like to bring him back. Again this doesn't fit with your narrative. Perry came in after Frank was drafted. My guess is Frank would not have been his pick. However, Perry brought in a mentor point guard in Jack and Frank received 21 minutes a night playing the point no matter what. Frank did not play well and reports were out there that he had become tired from the minutes he was playing late in January. At some point during Frank's struggles, management realized he was not going to be a starting caliber point guard in the nba in the near future if ever. Mudiay and Burke were brought in to try to fill the need for a young, starting caliber point. The next year Frank was moved off the ball and labeled a versatile guy that could play multiple positions. Injuries and poor play made last season pretty disappointing. But injuries and poor play don't equal management alienating a player. Frank has not been very good in the nba. He has not come close to producing what the 8th pick in a draft should. If I talk nba with any of my friends that are not Knick fans they consider Frank a bust. I don't think the front office is there yet but Frank needs to show something. Alienating a player would not include having him workout with Mike Miller over the summer.

misterearl wrote:Progress?

Vmart wrote:

misterearl wrote:

Vmart wrote:The stem of the problem is not the young players but your coach and NYK developmental staff. The players really need to get wise if they want to succeed in the NBA. You absolutely should avoid the NYK development staff.

Fizdale has failed the young players. The man is not coaching material man I’m turning blue in the face saying the same shyt again and again. Fire this FO ASAP and get new blood from top to bottom before it’s to damn late and all these young guys become marginal players. There is no FO accountability.

In three days, Scott Perry will have been here for only two years.

The preliminary results of the regime change from the MIA Phil Jackson will not be known for another season.

I don’t see progress here and that is the deciding factor for me. I see player regression. I see retreads that teams have moved on from on one year deals as favors. I see very little of player development. I see alienation of what they consider not theirs. But long as you guys are okay with that. By December and January when shut hits the fan it will be another season of development down the drain.

What is this “progress” you speak of in July?

“How silly is that?

Now I know that Taj Gibson is supposed to lead by example and all that but I’m not shoving that aside like it don’t mean anything. I know it’s important, I honestly do but we’re talking about summer league. We’re talking about summer league man. We’re talking about summer league. We’re talking about summer league. We’re not talking about the game. We’re talking about summer league. When you come to Madison Square Garden, and you see Julius Randle, Bobby Portis, Marcus Morris or Elfrid Payton play, you’ve seen them play right, you’ve seen them give everything they’ve got, but we’re talking about summer league right now.”

We are talking about summer league and I hate summer league. But when Vegas picks the Knicks to win summer league and the have lost all their games. What does it say about or second year guys? They look awful playing together. Knox has one assist in three games.

Progress is showing a semblance of a team coming together not necessarily individual performances. There was absolutely no stretch last year of a team. In the name of tank they mailed player development aside. That is inexcusable.

Vmart wrote:

misterearl wrote:Progress?

Vmart wrote:

misterearl wrote:

Vmart wrote:The stem of the problem is not the young players but your coach and NYK developmental staff. The players really need to get wise if they want to succeed in the NBA. You absolutely should avoid the NYK development staff.

Fizdale has failed the young players. The man is not coaching material man I’m turning blue in the face saying the same shyt again and again. Fire this FO ASAP and get new blood from top to bottom before it’s to damn late and all these young guys become marginal players. There is no FO accountability.

In three days, Scott Perry will have been here for only two years.

The preliminary results of the regime change from the MIA Phil Jackson will not be known for another season.

I don’t see progress here and that is the deciding factor for me. I see player regression. I see retreads that teams have moved on from on one year deals as favors. I see very little of player development. I see alienation of what they consider not theirs. But long as you guys are okay with that. By December and January when shut hits the fan it will be another season of development down the drain.

What is this “progress” you speak of in July?

“How silly is that?

Now I know that Taj Gibson is supposed to lead by example and all that but I’m not shoving that aside like it don’t mean anything. I know it’s important, I honestly do but we’re talking about summer league. We’re talking about summer league man. We’re talking about summer league. We’re talking about summer league. We’re not talking about the game. We’re talking about summer league. When you come to Madison Square Garden, and you see Julius Randle, Bobby Portis, Marcus Morris or Elfrid Payton play, you’ve seen them play right, you’ve seen them give everything they’ve got, but we’re talking about summer league right now.”

We are talking about summer league and I hate summer league. But when Vegas picks the Knicks to win summer league and the have lost all their games. What does it say about or second year guys? They look awful playing together. Knox has one assist in three games.

Progress is showing a semblance of a team coming together not necessarily individual performances. There was absolutely no stretch last year of a team. In the name of tank they mailed player development aside. That is inexcusable.

Truth is you dont even follow the team. Who has played well in SL? You just skim the headlines, fit it to your narrative and go full dramatic with "inexcusable"

knicks1248 wrote:

martin wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

martin wrote:

Vmart wrote:

misterearl wrote:

Vmart wrote:The stem of the problem is not the young players but your coach and NYK developmental staff. The players really need to get wise if they want to succeed in the NBA. You absolutely should avoid the NYK development staff.

Fizdale has failed the young players. The man is not coaching material man I’m turning blue in the face saying the same shyt again and again. Fire this FO ASAP and get new blood from top to bottom before it’s to damn late and all these young guys become marginal players. There is no FO accountability.

In three days, Scott Perry will have been here for only two years.

The preliminary results of the regime change from the MIA Phil Jackson will not be known for another season.

I don’t see progress here and that is the deciding factor for me. I see player regression. I see retreads that teams have moved on from on one year deals as favors. I see very little of player development. I see alienation of what they consider not theirs. But long as you guys are okay with that. By December and January when shut hits the fan it will be another season of development down the drain.

Wait, what has your timeframe been to evaluate progress? And who regressed?

Both KP and Frank regressed..

Knox went from Rookie of the month in december, to only making the rookie all star game by default in feb and didn't make a single NBA rookie team by april. Is that consider progress?

You are trying to convince me that KP regressed?

Dude, there is a low IQ limit for these here parts and you are streaking right towards it. May have passed it a long time ago cause I really don't pay too much attention to your blather.

Come on bro, walk back to reality

I didn't make it up, I looked at his numbers, his shooting pct took a NOSE dive his last season with us, obviously his points when up, but he took hella more shots...

We all said he couldn't make it through a season without gasping for air by december every yr he was here, and his assist #s were brutal..

Where did you see progress?

So that's it? That's all you got? His FG% went down? That's the entirely of your analysis of regression?

Did you miss the whole first couple months of the season? When the Knicks were .500? Until Tim went down and then of course KP went down?

fishmike wrote:

Vmart wrote:

martin wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

martin wrote:

Vmart wrote:

misterearl wrote:

Vmart wrote:The stem of the problem is not the young players but your coach and NYK developmental staff. The players really need to get wise if they want to succeed in the NBA. You absolutely should avoid the NYK development staff.

Fizdale has failed the young players. The man is not coaching material man I’m turning blue in the face saying the same shyt again and again. Fire this FO ASAP and get new blood from top to bottom before it’s to damn late and all these young guys become marginal players. There is no FO accountability.

In three days, Scott Perry will have been here for only two years.

The preliminary results of the regime change from the MIA Phil Jackson will not be known for another season.

I don’t see progress here and that is the deciding factor for me. I see player regression. I see retreads that teams have moved on from on one year deals as favors. I see very little of player development. I see alienation of what they consider not theirs. But long as you guys are okay with that. By December and January when shut hits the fan it will be another season of development down the drain.

Wait, what has your timeframe been to evaluate progress? And who regressed?

Both KP and Frank regressed..

Knox went from Rookie of the month in december, to only making the rookie all star game by default in feb and didn't make a single NBA rookie team by april. Is that consider progress?

You are trying to convince me that KP regressed?

Dude, there is a low IQ limit for these here parts and you are streaking right towards it. May have passed it a long time ago cause I really don't pay too much attention to your blather.

Come on bro, walk back to reality

Only thing that regressed with KP was his view of the Knicks he had seen enough to know to get out.

when is it your turn or you just gonna keep saying the same miserable things over and over?

I don’t much like you questioning my fandom because my views don’t fit with you delusional ways of seeing everything with rose colored glasses.

Vmart wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Vmart wrote:

martin wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

martin wrote:

Vmart wrote:

misterearl wrote:

Vmart wrote:The stem of the problem is not the young players but your coach and NYK developmental staff. The players really need to get wise if they want to succeed in the NBA. You absolutely should avoid the NYK development staff.

Fizdale has failed the young players. The man is not coaching material man I’m turning blue in the face saying the same shyt again and again. Fire this FO ASAP and get new blood from top to bottom before it’s to damn late and all these young guys become marginal players. There is no FO accountability.

In three days, Scott Perry will have been here for only two years.

The preliminary results of the regime change from the MIA Phil Jackson will not be known for another season.

I don’t see progress here and that is the deciding factor for me. I see player regression. I see retreads that teams have moved on from on one year deals as favors. I see very little of player development. I see alienation of what they consider not theirs. But long as you guys are okay with that. By December and January when shut hits the fan it will be another season of development down the drain.

Wait, what has your timeframe been to evaluate progress? And who regressed?

Both KP and Frank regressed..

Knox went from Rookie of the month in december, to only making the rookie all star game by default in feb and didn't make a single NBA rookie team by april. Is that consider progress?

You are trying to convince me that KP regressed?

Dude, there is a low IQ limit for these here parts and you are streaking right towards it. May have passed it a long time ago cause I really don't pay too much attention to your blather.

Come on bro, walk back to reality

Only thing that regressed with KP was his view of the Knicks he had seen enough to know to get out.

when is it your turn or you just gonna keep saying the same miserable things over and over?

I don’t much like you questioning my fandom because my views don’t fit with you delusional ways of seeing everything with rose colored glasses.

Vmart wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Vmart wrote:

martin wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

martin wrote:

Vmart wrote:

misterearl wrote:

Vmart wrote:The stem of the problem is not the young players but your coach and NYK developmental staff. The players really need to get wise if they want to succeed in the NBA. You absolutely should avoid the NYK development staff.

Fizdale has failed the young players. The man is not coaching material man I’m turning blue in the face saying the same shyt again and again. Fire this FO ASAP and get new blood from top to bottom before it’s to damn late and all these young guys become marginal players. There is no FO accountability.

In three days, Scott Perry will have been here for only two years.

The preliminary results of the regime change from the MIA Phil Jackson will not be known for another season.

I don’t see progress here and that is the deciding factor for me. I see player regression. I see retreads that teams have moved on from on one year deals as favors. I see very little of player development. I see alienation of what they consider not theirs. But long as you guys are okay with that. By December and January when shut hits the fan it will be another season of development down the drain.

Wait, what has your timeframe been to evaluate progress? And who regressed?

Both KP and Frank regressed..

Knox went from Rookie of the month in december, to only making the rookie all star game by default in feb and didn't make a single NBA rookie team by april. Is that consider progress?

You are trying to convince me that KP regressed?

Dude, there is a low IQ limit for these here parts and you are streaking right towards it. May have passed it a long time ago cause I really don't pay too much attention to your blather.

Come on bro, walk back to reality

Only thing that regressed with KP was his view of the Knicks he had seen enough to know to get out.

when is it your turn or you just gonna keep saying the same miserable things over and over?

I don’t much like you questioning my fandom because my views don’t fit with you delusional ways of seeing everything with rose colored glasses.

You are like a robo caller. You write the same stuff over and over
Knicks cant develop youth
Fizdale cant coach
Knicks whiffed in FA (coulda just kept Kornet)

I mean its a pretty simple formula for you. As for your fandom who cares? I am not interested in some dick measuring contest over who loves the team more. I just dont get why you crap on the team over and over when you dont watch the games and barely follow the team. I mean dont you have better things to do? Plenty of guys are negative here and have valid points. Nobody is saying 18 months of reasonably sane management doesnt wipe out 2 decades of poo. Some are more willing to wait and see than others. Lets talk about it. Lets not talk about how salty you are about the Glen Rice trade. Wake up bro its 2019

CrushAlot wrote:

Vmart wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Vmart wrote:

martin wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

martin wrote:

Vmart wrote:

misterearl wrote:

Vmart wrote:The stem of the problem is not the young players but your coach and NYK developmental staff. The players really need to get wise if they want to succeed in the NBA. You absolutely should avoid the NYK development staff.

Fizdale has failed the young players. The man is not coaching material man I’m turning blue in the face saying the same shyt again and again. Fire this FO ASAP and get new blood from top to bottom before it’s to damn late and all these young guys become marginal players. There is no FO accountability.

In three days, Scott Perry will have been here for only two years.

The preliminary results of the regime change from the MIA Phil Jackson will not be known for another season.

I don’t see progress here and that is the deciding factor for me. I see player regression. I see retreads that teams have moved on from on one year deals as favors. I see very little of player development. I see alienation of what they consider not theirs. But long as you guys are okay with that. By December and January when shut hits the fan it will be another season of development down the drain.

Wait, what has your timeframe been to evaluate progress? And who regressed?

Both KP and Frank regressed..

Knox went from Rookie of the month in december, to only making the rookie all star game by default in feb and didn't make a single NBA rookie team by april. Is that consider progress?

You are trying to convince me that KP regressed?

Dude, there is a low IQ limit for these here parts and you are streaking right towards it. May have passed it a long time ago cause I really don't pay too much attention to your blather.

Come on bro, walk back to reality

Only thing that regressed with KP was his view of the Knicks he had seen enough to know to get out.

when is it your turn or you just gonna keep saying the same miserable things over and over?

I don’t much like you questioning my fandom because my views don’t fit with you delusional ways of seeing everything with rose colored glasses.

You have been putting a negative spin on every move since Phil was fired. If you refer to something in a positive tone it generally is reflecting on an event or rumor from Phil’s tenure. For me it is hard not to conclude that you are biased against the regime that followed Phil. No doubt you are a fan but the only positive Incan take from Phil’s tenure is he is the guy that Dolan stepped back for. What he did with the tremendous opportunity he had was horrible and self serving in my opinion.