Having said that, I'm not sure how proud he is of the following. His best value pick was arguably K. Middleton but after one year (mostly in G league) he was included in a dump to get Brandon Jennings from the Bucks

Oladipo arguably his most talented pick but he was dumped with Sabonis and ilyasova for Ibaka
De'Aaron Fox is another quality pick

Detroit: vice president of basketball operations from 2008 to 2012:

2008
1/ 29 D.J. White
2/ 59 Deron Washington

2009
1/ 15 Austin Daye
2/ 35 DaJuan Summers
2/ 39 Jonas Jerebko
2/ 44 Chase Budinger

2010
Round
1/ 7 Greg Monroe
2/ 36 Terrico White

2011
1/ 8 Brandon Knight
2/ 33 Kyle Singler
2/ 52 Vernon Macklin

2012
1/9 Andre Drummond
2/ 39 Khris Middleton (Arguably his best pick but traded to Bucks after 1 season and 27 games in a package with Brandon Knight to get Brandon Jennings)
2/ 44 Kim English

Orlando: vice president and assistant general manager

2013
1 / 2 Victor Oladipo (traded by Perry FO to OKC along with Ersan İlyasova and the draft rights to Domantas Sabonis, to the Oklahoma City Thunder in exchange for Serge Ibaka
2 / 51 Romero Osby

2014
1 / 4 Aaron Gordon

2014
1 / 12 Dario Šarić (draft rights traded for E. Payton --

2015
1 / 5 Mario Hezonja
2 / 51 Tyler Harvey

2016
1 / 11 Domantas Sabonis (traded to Oklahoma City)
2 / 41 Stephen Zimmerman
2/47 Jake Layman (from Chicago, traded to Portland)

2017 (just in case he had any input; he moved to Kings 4/17 before the draft)
1 / 6 Jonathan Isaac
1 /25 Anžejs Pasečņiks
2 /33 Wesley Iwundu
2 / 35 Ivan Rabb

Kings
2017
1 /5 De'Aaron Fox
1 / 10 Zach Collins (traded to Portland for Justin Jackson and Harry Giles)
2 / 34 Frank Mason III

Chandler wrote:
I will admit I am impressed with his round 2 picks (and UDFA) for the Knicks.

Having said that, I'm not sure how proud he is of the following. His best value pick was arguably K. Middleton but after one year (mostly in G league) he was included in a dump to get Brandon Jennings from the Bucks

Oladipo arguably his most talented pick but he was dumped with Sabonis and ilyasova for Ibaka
De'Aaron Fox is another quality pick

Detroit: vice president of basketball operations from 2008 to 2012:

2008
1/ 29 D.J. White
2/ 59 Deron Washington

2009
1/ 15 Austin Daye
2/ 35 DaJuan Summers
2/ 39 Jonas Jerebko
2/ 44 Chase Budinger

2010
Round
1/ 7 Greg Monroe
2/ 36 Terrico White

2011
1/ 8 Brandon Knight
2/ 33 Kyle Singler
2/ 52 Vernon Macklin

2012
1/9 Andre Drummond
2/ 39 Khris Middleton (Arguably his best pick but traded to Bucks after 1 season and 27 games in a package with Brandon Knight to get Brandon Jennings)
2/ 44 Kim English

Orlando: vice president and assistant general manager

2013
1 / 2 Victor Oladipo (traded by Perry FO to OKC along with Ersan İlyasova and the draft rights to Domantas Sabonis, to the Oklahoma City Thunder in exchange for Serge Ibaka
2 / 51 Romero Osby

2014
1 / 4 Aaron Gordon

2014
1 / 12 Dario Šarić (draft rights traded for E. Payton --

2015
1 / 5 Mario Hezonja
2 / 51 Tyler Harvey

2016
1 / 11 Domantas Sabonis (traded to Oklahoma City)
2 / 41 Stephen Zimmerman
2/47 Jake Layman (from Chicago, traded to Portland)

2017 (just in case he had any input; he moved to Kings 4/17 before the draft)
1 / 6 Jonathan Isaac
1 /25 Anžejs Pasečņiks
2 /33 Wesley Iwundu
2 / 35 Ivan Rabb

Kings
2017
1 /5 De'Aaron Fox
1 / 10 Zach Collins (traded to Portland for Justin Jackson and Harry Giles)
2 / 34 Frank Mason III

Right, so if the vice president of bball operations is responsible for the Detroit picks, does that mean the vice president of bball ops is responsible for our draft picks?

Kings picks were all great, who knows how much input he had on the Magic decisions, but whoever did, Oladipo, Aaron Gordon, Sabonis and Saric is an excellent track record. Knicks record is also good so far

to the comment about "who was selected after" that always receives the criticism of cherry picking, but with that in mind here it is:

2008 picked late in first round a few slots ahead of D. Jordan
2009: few slots later were Jrue Holiday and Jeff Teague; later still TaJ Ginson and wayne ellington
2010: few slots later Paul George; later down Bledsoe and Avery
2011: was horrendous. missed on Kemba, Klay, both Morris brothers, Kawhi, Tobias Harris, Faried (who was a beast for a while),Mirotic, R. Jackson, Cory Joseph
2012:he seemed to nail it with drummond. Real waste land after his pick except for Fournier (meh) and Draymond (who everyone missed)
2013: he nailed but traded Oladipo before he blossomed
2014: he did ok with Gordon, that draft sucked
2015: hezonja sucked bus so too did a lot of high picks. Booker at 13 but a lot of teams missed him
2016: traded Sabonis a lot of wastes after that
2017: nailed it with Fox, once Fox started hitting 3s; Lauri followed but not many had him at 5. again a lot of frustration in that class

Overall, there are certainly worse but far from a magic man. Perhaps his best pick he ever made he traded 2 years before he blossomed

On the ones he did nail I don't see him pulling a rabbit out of a hat (like SAS did with Kawhi -- where a few teams including the Celts had him rated super high -- like top 5)

Chandler wrote:
I would commend people look at his Wikipedia page. I assume he has a say in that
He seems to embrace these as his -- indeed he makes the point he even "assisted" in the Durant selection when he was with the sonics
And if he doesn't embrace them then what did we hire him for, exactly -- no experience just was in "the room where it happened"

to the comment about "who was selected after" that always receives the criticism of cherry picking, but with that in mind here it is:

2008 picked late in first round a few slots ahead of D. Jordan
2009: few slots later were Jrue Holiday and Jeff Teague; later still TaJ Ginson and wayne ellington
2010: few slots later Paul George; later down Bledsoe and Avery
2011: was horrendous. missed on Kemba, Klay, both Morris brothers, Kawhi, Tobias Harris, Faried (who was a beast for a while),Mirotic, R. Jackson, Cory Joseph
2012:he seemed to nail it with drummond. Real waste land after his pick except for Fournier (meh) and Draymond (who everyone missed)
2013: he nailed but traded Oladipo before he blossomed
2014: he did ok with Gordon, that draft sucked
2015: hezonja sucked bus so too did a lot of high picks. Booker at 13 but a lot of teams missed him
2016: traded Sabonis a lot of wastes after that
2017: nailed it with Fox, once Fox started hitting 3s; Lauri followed but not many had him at 5. again a lot of frustration in that class

Overall, there are certainly worse but far from a magic man. Perhaps his best pick he ever made he traded 2 years before he blossomed

On the ones he did nail I don't see him pulling a rabbit out of a hat (like SAS did with Kawhi -- where a few teams including the Celts had him rated super high -- like top 5)

And the 2011 draft may have been one of the most unique drafts ever as far as the number of players missed at the top of the draft and great players selected later. You had an all-nba player (Isaiah Thomas) chosen with the last pick in the second round. You also have to ask how good Brandon Knight would've been if he could've stayed healthy?

I would consider Perry solid. No magician like you said but certainly far from horrible.

Nalod wrote:Perry was not the defecto GM. I can’t figure how to come to decide his record.

Don't you get it?! According to Chandler, no matter what position Perry had with his former teams, he was 100% responsible for ALL draft and trade decisions- even when he wasn't the GM!

Scott Perry (born November 25, 1963) is an American basketball executive and former coach. He serves as the general manager for the New York Knicks of the National Basketball Association (NBA).

Scott Perry
New York Knicks
Position
General manager
League
NBA
Personal information
Born
November 25, 1963 (age 55)
Detroit, Michigan
Nationality
American
Career information
High school
University of Detroit Jesuit
(Detroit, Michigan)
College
Oregon (1981–1982)
Wayne State (1984–1986)
Coaching career
1993–2000
Career history
As coach:
1993–1997
Michigan (assistant)
1997–2000
Eastern Kentucky
Perry's father, Lowell Perry, was an All-American football player at the University of Michigan in 1951 and went on to play for the Pittsburgh Steelers in 1956, where he later became the first African-American assistant coach in the NFL in 1957. His mother was a Detroit Public Schools journalism teacher who later became an attorney.

Contents
Playing career
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Perry was an All-Catholic and All-State performer at University of Detroit Jesuit High school in 1981. He received a scholarship to attend the University of Oregon, where he played one season. Perry finished his collegiate playing career at Wayne State University in 1986, where he was a team captain and an honorable mention All-Great Lakes Intercollegiate Athletic Conference performer. His team made it to the NCAA Division II Elite Eight. Perry earned a bachelor's degree in business administration.

Coaching career
Edit

Perry started his coaching career in 1988 at the University of Detroit Mercy, where he spent five seasons.[1] He went on to become an assistant coach at The University of Michigan, where he was instrumental in guiding the team to the NCAA Division I Elite Eight in 1994.[2] Perry was the catalyst for Michigan's nationally recognized top-ranked recruiting classes in both 1994 and 1995. His final year with the Wolverines resulted in a NIT Championship. Perry completed his coaching career as the head coach at Eastern Kentucky University from 1997 to 2000.[1]

Executive career
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Perry was hired as a front office executive for the Detroit Pistons by president Joe Dumars in June 2000. As a member of their executive team, Perry assisted in building a roster that went to six Eastern Conference Finals appearances (2003-2008), two Eastern Conference Championships (2004, 2005) and the 2004 NBA championship.

Afterward, Perry served as the assistant general manager for the Seattle SuperSonics for one season (2007–08).[3] He was part of the front office staff that drafted Kevin Durant to the Sonics/Thunder in the first round with the second overall pick. He then returned to the Pistons to become vice president of basketball operations from 2008 to 2012.[2]

On June 25, 2012, Perry was hired by the Orlando Magic general manager Rob Hennigan to become Hennigan's vice president and assistant general manager.[1] ESPN basketball analyst and former NBA player Chauncey Billups spoke highly of Perry as the assistant general manager of the Magic, saying, "I love Scott Perry in the front office."[4][5]

In his time in Orlando, Perry helped draft Victor Oladipo (2013), Aaron Gordon and Elfrid Payton (2014), and Mario Hezonja (2015). Only Gordon is still with the Magic as of the 2018-19 season.

On April 21, 2017, Perry was hired by the Sacramento Kings as Vice President of Basketball Operations. Three months later, on July 14, 2017, Perry was hired to become the general manager of the New York Knicks.[6] As compensation for the movement, the Knicks gave the Kings a 2019 second round pick and cash considerations, with the Kings later hiring Brandon Williams as his replacement.

References
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^ a b c Josh Robbins (October 19, 2014). "Magic's Willie Green and assistant GM Scott Perry share a mutual respect". The Orlando Sentinel. Retrieved March 1, 2017.
^ a b Marc J. Spears (February 28, 2017). "Scott Perry honors his father's NFL legacy and aims to continue making history in the NBA". The Undefeated. Retrieved March 1, 2017.
^ Jeff Zillgitt (April 16, 2016). "NBA addresses front-office diversity hiring at owners meeting". USA Today. Retrieved March 1, 2017.
^ Vince Ellis (July 31, 2016). "Billups chooses family over Magic coaching opportunity". Detroit Free Press. Retrieved March 1, 2017.
^ Josh Robbins (January 11, 2017). "Injury keeps Serge Ibaka from playing against Clippers". The Orlando Sentinel. Retrieved March 1, 2017.
^ "Steve Mills named president, Scott Perry named general manager of New York Knicks". NBA.com. Retrieved July 14, 2017.

Not seeing where he takes credit.

Breaking it down Oden was taken first and Durant fell to Sonics/Thunder. You think Mills hired him based on that? Be like giving Phil Credit for KP. It was a four player draft and we got lucky (as much as we might debate that......). Oladipo was a good pick, but more important who was the point person for trading him before he matured. "Helping to draft" is not the same as "he drafted" and unless there was a nugget of brilliance that can be attached to any of these picks, I don't see any of this really as any reason to validate a brilliant rise in his career nor say it was lacking. There is so much more to all of it. For example it was Gaines who we read was a huge advocate for KP and since phil trusted him he put a heavy weighting on that. None of us really dove that deep into Perry's record have we? I have not read any great stories about Perry or anything egregious.
For that matter what has Sean Marks done as assistant to Pop in his brief assignment there that warranted his hiring??? Non of us are that big a fan of spurs or nets to dive in this deep but on the surface "being part of Pop" is good enough for most of us. What I did read was Pop told Marks to not take the job unless he had a 5 year deal and was allowed to lay out his plan and be left alone to execute it and hire his own people. That's a lot for a rookie GM to ask. The key was not his track record, although pop in private might have told nets ownership his contributions specifically. I assume Perry was hired to do the job Mills wants him to do and his reputation as a solid decision maker from those intimate working with him. He might have be spot on in Orlando and was not onboard with Hennigan.

So why Perry over others? Why not just hire Presti's assistant or Morey's guy as the Wolves did? Wiki won't tell us that. What if someone other than Mills made the hire, would that matter? Most likely if you hating on Mills.

Sean marks job is not to draft the next Timmy, Manu or Parker, but to have a process that will succeed more than not. Not all his decisions will be on the mark. Nor has Pop's. Marks walked into a specific set of circumstances just like all new GM's do. His vision and process was approved by the owner. Its his job to execute.

I don't see anything on Perry's resume to get excited about either way. We upset because we did not get our stars? 17 win season? Its sucks. We need to blame someone? Janis perhaps? KP's knee? Drag phil out and kick him a bit? Front office turmoil/turnover is seen as negative for the knicks. A player signing here and then experience a turnover disrupts his life. While keeping Mills/Perry for that is not a strong reason nothing they have done is warrants firing. That only makes it worse.

Two summer league games with a stud rookie underwhelming and we are NOW questioning Perry's aptitude again?