smackeddog wrote:I love how so many people pretend like either they forgot we got 2 1st round picks back in the KP trade (one of which is unprotected) or that now first round picks are a worthless irrelevance, while also praising the Pels for getting first round picks back for AD and criticizing us for not taking back bad contracts to get firsts.

If we were really concerned with acquiring first round picks, these idiots should have taken on Iggy and got the package the warriors were given. Iggy will likely get moved again and some playoff team will include another asset because he’s actually been an all star and a champion. Unlike Ellington, Payton, Portis, etc. veterans are important guys that actually have won. The Nets were able to do it multiple times. The Blazers just did a salary dump and gave picks out.

I know some are “good residence to the KP diva and his brother” but basketball wise its regrettable circumstance.
KNicks wanted to see how his health played out and it saves the team 10mil in cap to sign a player. KP wanted his money and status. His body of work was very encouraging but his health was not. His actions off the court, the filming of his documentary, and the snip back at Fiz for “Sprints”. Coach said sprints in the gym, thats when a player is getting into game shape, not on a track learning how to run again. TO me it was a dick move by KP and telling of where his head was at.

If he can sustain his health he will be an all star player. Despite the pain I saw Knicks as making a solid non desperate decision.
Also regrettable that Durant got hurt. Nets are desperate to make a splash. They are a good team and from a business perspective they needed this.
As for Kawhi, he is making teams wait. Its his prerogative but also knicks can’t afford to wait. Not that they miss any franchise changing player but the ability to get good players at very good length at a fair price. They paid up for some guys to get the short deals.

Media and fans are used to knicks going after stars. We did not FAIL to get AD, we could not afford the asking price. KYrie was set on BKN. Durant needed to be paired with a buddy. At his age and injury I’m ok with this.
We did not lose Zion, the odds were never there. Nola and Lakers moved up. Thats math. It happens. We had an opportunity, it did not happen. We were lucky to get of of three blue chip studs.

This is not homerism. Its practical acceptance to reality and realizing knicks recklessness in the past did not yield what we have hoped and perhaps we can ill afford to continue that path. It hurts, but its real.

It makes no sense to bring in Payton and Bullock, when the entire point of this season is to see what you have with Smith, Trier, Dotson, Barrett and Frank.

Our front court was weak so signing Randle was a nice move. Gibson and Portis we’re overpaid. We are not making the playoffs so this season was more of an audition.

Again, real veterans make sense that have been through the wars. A Vince Carter, a Carol, a Dudley, Ariza. Gibson is the only guy that’s really been to the playoffs.

martin wrote:

smackeddog wrote:I love how so many people pretend like either they forgot we got 2 1st round picks back in the KP trade (one of which is unprotected) or that now first round picks are a worthless irrelevance, while also praising the Pels for getting first round picks back for AD and criticizing us for not taking back bad contracts to get firsts.

Ha yes!

West is 10 teams deep ahead of the Mavs. Not even counting the Pelicans who can make the case for having more talent overall on their roster.

It's very very possible they fail to make the playoffs over the next 2 seasons. And that's even if KP is able to stay relatively healthy. I thought going in they would net a guy like Vooch or something in typical Cuban fashion. But at this moment they are on the outside looking in.

They also have Houston & Spurs in their division to try and beat out to lock in a playoff spot.

smackeddog wrote:

MS wrote:Contracts that would have expired at the end of this season. That would have given the team more assets to trade in the future.

It makes no sense to bring in Payton and Bullock, when the entire point of this season is to see what you have with Smith, Trier, Dotson, Barrett and Frank.

Our front court was weak so signing Randle was a nice move. Gibson and Portis we’re overpaid. We are not making the playoffs so this season was more of an audition.

Again, real veterans make sense that have been through the wars. A Vince Carter, a Carol, a Dudley, Ariza. Gibson is the only guy that’s really been to the playoffs.

We needed to add some talent to the roster, we need to take a step forward. We've added players with toughness, excellent work ethics and real dog mentalities. I'm not sure how it will all fit together, but I get what we're trying to do. Not so bummed about the Iggy deal, but I would have liked to have got in on the Harkless and a first move the clips did. But we'll see how our new players develop- some might be better than any mid round pick.

It was a very good summer. This is just incremental improvement at a manageable cost. Let the best players win the minutes. Nothing wrong with that.

The Iggy deal was because Iggy didn't want to be shown up as the idiot throwing shade on the team he got traded to.

Time will tell.

For starters, experience matters
G Effrid Payton, 25, averaged 10.1 points and 7.6 assists
G Wayne Ellington, 31, 10.3 pg on 40.3 percent, 37.1 pct from long distance.

G-F Reggie Bullock, 27, career 39.2% shooter from three-point range.

F Bobby Portis, 24, avg 14.2 pts, 8.1 rebounds, 39 pct on 3-pointers.
F Taj Gibson, 34, solid 6’9 10.8 points and 6.4 rebounds per game

C Julius Randle, 24, 21.4 points, 8.7 rebounds, 3.1 assists per game.

Please explain the alternative, given the stated interests of Durant, Kyrie, Klay and Kawhi.

Trust Plan B from outer space.

Why is Kawhi waiting?? Cuz he can!! LOL

smackeddog wrote:

Uptown wrote:Knicks backed out because they were told they didn't have much of a shot to land Kawhi....

I like cris carter a lot- smart, no BS, no agenda

Yeah, he seems to have no interest in following media trends and just reporting what he gets. He seems to be very connected to Perry and seems to respect what he is trying to do. Thats cool

Panos wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:Porzingis? We're talking about Porzingis? Lets recap. Perry takes the job, and loses KP to a season ending injury. That season, and tbe next one is a wash because your franchise player cant play. KP also cant go very far into a season before running out of gas.

The next season, Porzingis is in street clothes, he isnt contributing anything, he hasnt in year. He lets it be known he doesnt like the way the team is being run. From the bench.

He then goes to Perry/Mills with his brother and says something to the effect of "F you, pay me" Doesnt matter that KP still hasn't recovered from his injury, he wants his money now or he walks.

My response would be the same as Perry's I would ship KP's humpty dumpty ass on the first flight to Dallas. Who the F does he think he is to march his narrow ass into Perry's office and demand anything, when he is still hurt, and the Knicks have yet to see how well he has recovered? Why would they let themselves get rolled like that?

Post of the year!