fishmike wrote:

Vmart wrote:Lottery.

insightful as always

I’m being positive here.

Chandler wrote:

Knicksfan wrote:

Chandler wrote:We have a worse roster than NOLA last year (which won 33 games) but are in a weaker division so I think we're probably in the high 20s, tail end of the lottery

Weaker division? Maybe weaker conference, but if Kawhi stays in Toronto, our division may be the toughest with Philly, Brooklyn and Boston improving.

You may be right

I'm not so sure about Brooklyn this year; I think that situation is very iffy

also Boston will be weaker. they lost Horford, Kyrie (who is a nut but also at times carried their offense), and Rozier (who was great depth). That's going to hurt.

I think Philly has improved for sure

True

I'm not sold on Brooklyn without KD yet and if Kyrie implodes like he did in Boston, they could actually go down compared to last season.

Boston could benefit from addition-by-subtraction with Kyrie gone and Kemba in place, although Walker isn't that much of a distributor like Irving. Yeah, they will hurt compared to last season.

Toronto is the wild card. Philly will be tough.

Uptown wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:

fishmike wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:

fishmike wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:

Vmart wrote:Lottery.

+1

we're essentially a Scott Layden team right now

We are? We signed or traded for role players like Spoon, Jared Jefferies, Isley, Shandon Anderson to 4-5 year deals? We traded picks for washed up or injured stars?

No. We are the exact opposite of a Layden team. But dont logic or truth stop the parade. March on.

whatever dude - I didn't realize Wayne Ellington And Reggie Bullock and Taj Gibson were going to be anything more than role players. Yeah, we're younger and more athletic than a Layden squad. But I mean you sound like you got your head in the sand bro. You should take a vacation because someone says something you don't like and you go into aneurysm mode

na... just replying to silly comments. Just came back from some nice days in the mountains. I am sorry you are so upset! I know the offseason didnt yield the super star players we all hoped for. I mean if you need to tell yourself this is Layden or Isiah or whatever all over again fine. I mean that is your right. If you want to share that on an internet message forum... well that is inviting commentary. There is really nothing similar to what Layden did and what Perry is doing but I do have an aneurysm so things are not always clear for me

we signed a bunch of role players and I say that's Layden-esque. I bet Layden's roster ends up winning more games. I didn't say this was an Isiah roster. There you go, putting **** in other people's mouths again. Really, signing a bunch of role players is dissimilar to Layden signing a bunch role players? Man, I wish I could stomp my feet and see the world in different shades of rose too

There is a big difference between Layden and Perry and it aint even close. Perry is signing dudes to 2 year contracts with an out after year 1. Layden was trading for Shandon Anderson who just signed a 6 year 42 million contract (guaranteed) and Howard Eisley who was in the 2nd year of his 7 year 41 million dollar deal!!! He followed that up with a 5 year 27 million dollar deal (guaranteed) to Clarence Weatherspoon!! You cant be serious with your comparison!!!

BTW, Randles potential is better than anyone of Laydens moves....Randle is 24, trending up....Weatherspoon was over 30 when Layden signed him...Layden had zero vision for the future or for building a team.

Maybe I am overreacting here because I'm disappointed, but I am failing to see how Taj is a significant upgrade over Clarence Weatherspoon, or how Reggis Bullock is any better than Shandon Anderson

SupremeCommander wrote:

Uptown wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:

fishmike wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:

fishmike wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:

Vmart wrote:Lottery.

+1

we're essentially a Scott Layden team right now

We are? We signed or traded for role players like Spoon, Jared Jefferies, Isley, Shandon Anderson to 4-5 year deals? We traded picks for washed up or injured stars?

No. We are the exact opposite of a Layden team. But dont logic or truth stop the parade. March on.

whatever dude - I didn't realize Wayne Ellington And Reggie Bullock and Taj Gibson were going to be anything more than role players. Yeah, we're younger and more athletic than a Layden squad. But I mean you sound like you got your head in the sand bro. You should take a vacation because someone says something you don't like and you go into aneurysm mode

na... just replying to silly comments. Just came back from some nice days in the mountains. I am sorry you are so upset! I know the offseason didnt yield the super star players we all hoped for. I mean if you need to tell yourself this is Layden or Isiah or whatever all over again fine. I mean that is your right. If you want to share that on an internet message forum... well that is inviting commentary. There is really nothing similar to what Layden did and what Perry is doing but I do have an aneurysm so things are not always clear for me

we signed a bunch of role players and I say that's Layden-esque. I bet Layden's roster ends up winning more games. I didn't say this was an Isiah roster. There you go, putting **** in other people's mouths again. Really, signing a bunch of role players is dissimilar to Layden signing a bunch role players? Man, I wish I could stomp my feet and see the world in different shades of rose too

There is a big difference between Layden and Perry and it aint even close. Perry is signing dudes to 2 year contracts with an out after year 1. Layden was trading for Shandon Anderson who just signed a 6 year 42 million contract (guaranteed) and Howard Eisley who was in the 2nd year of his 7 year 41 million dollar deal!!! He followed that up with a 5 year 27 million dollar deal (guaranteed) to Clarence Weatherspoon!! You cant be serious with your comparison!!!

BTW, Randles potential is better than anyone of Laydens moves....Randle is 24, trending up....Weatherspoon was over 30 when Layden signed him...Layden had zero vision for the future or for building a team.

Maybe I am overreacting here because I'm disappointed, but I am failing to see how Taj is a significant upgrade over Clarence Weatherspoon, or how Reggis Bullock is any better than Shandon Anderson

The contracts and lack of commitments are the main differences...We were stuck with spoon for years. Gibson can be moved at the deadline with ease..

https://www.newsday.com/sports/basketball/knicks/knicks-free-agency-julius-randle-taj-gibson-bobby-portis-wayne-ellington-1.33262191

This is a good overview of the players we added. An honest reading does not support labeling the moves as Layden-esque, certainly not when applying that to his time here.

franco12 wrote:I don't know if anyone has read or shared:

https://www.newsday.com/sports/basketball/knicks/knicks-free-agency-julius-randle-taj-gibson-bobby-portis-wayne-ellington-1.33262191

This is a good overview of the players we added. An honest reading does not support labeling the moves as Layden-esque, certainly not when applying that to his time here.

Eisley/Anderson were in year 2 of a 7 year contract. To think they their roughly 6 mill a year salary was in 2001 dollars. Thats what was so depressing, so much cap space for so long. Would have made great bench players on a contender.

Suggest some poster focus their attention more on the length of these contracts, than the cap hit. This squad wasnt built to be a contender, shouldn't be judged that way. It was built to help develop the younger players, decide on who stays, who goes, and keep cap flexibility for any opportunities that present themselves.

For those of you feel like you got Rice a Roni, instead of what's behind door number one, the worst thing to do would have been to give out long term deals for players Knicks likely will regret signing before too long. When better, healthier, players become available.

Panos wrote:We have *1* player that could start on a playoff team, in Randle. The rest are role players or not there yet. Still scratching my head over Taj and Ellington signings. 25 wins. And that could be over-optimistic.

The league is 90% role players, and they all have a certain set of skills that supposed to compliment each other if you put the right guys and coach together..That's where the FO fails Miserably..

Let's change the culture by tanking, is that the plan?

SupremeCommander wrote:

fishmike wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:

Vmart wrote:Lottery.

+1

we're essentially a Scott Layden team right now

We are? We signed or traded for role players like Spoon, Jared Jefferies, Isley, Shandon Anderson to 4-5 year deals? We traded picks for washed up or injured stars?

No. We are the exact opposite of a Layden team. But dont logic or truth stop the parade. March on.

whatever dude - I didn't realize Wayne Ellington And Reggie Bullock and Taj Gibson were going to be anything more than role players. Yeah, we're younger and more athletic than a Layden squad. But I mean you sound like you got your head in the sand bro. You should take a vacation because someone says something you don't like and you go into aneurysm mode

I think Ellington and Gibson will be role players but don't sleep on R.Bullock cause his last two years have been pretty dam good especially as a 3-D guy.

Panos wrote:We have *1* player that could start on a playoff team, in Randle. The rest are role players or not there yet. Still scratching my head over Taj and Ellington signings. 25 wins. And that could be over-optimistic.

Pretty sure Taj is there to help out Randle and Robinson with D, on the court and in the lockerroom.

Don't know enough about Ellington but he would be an additional shooter.