umbisam wrote:we have lost Zion, KD and KI in just few weeks ... and we’ve lost badly & sadly, since two of them will play on the other side of the river

dear front office, it’s hard to be a Knick these days

I’ve no idea what to suggest ... humble enough to say only one more thing: “do NOT overpay for modest additions”

maybe best would be to take one year heavy contracts in exchange for some first round picks and mostly hope - on top of free agency 2020 - in a deep draft coming next year(s).... Kawhi aside

CrushAlot wrote:No picks traded. Love the Randle and Portis signings. No deals longer than two years. The Knicks are functioning like a smart franchise.

Plus. This is RJs team now. We building this team around him. We got some bugs now to protect him and a shooter as an outlet.

Can't wait for summer league to start.

Marv wrote:everyone’s gonna have their own reactions, that’s cool. mine:

I wanted 2 or 3 guys. we got 1 - Randle. Middleton and harris stayed home for massive money. Deangelo traveled for massive money. Brogdon for whatever reason went to indiana.

Portis is a center as much as a pf. 6’11” 250, 24 y.o. 14 and 8 with 39% 3’s. Can punch a mother****er. Exactly what we need with a young foul-prone developing guy as our only other center. Taj and bullock super-competent vet backups.

I am good.

This

I was hoping for a combo of the same group you mentioned (plus Rozier) once KD went down. Once they started coming off the board, I’m not going to lie, I was hoping Russell, Butler and Randle would have been nice but not upset at all with the Portis signing. Always been a Gibson fan (although a bit older now).

Dont know who is still out there but would like to see us pick up a PG this off season.

CrushAlot wrote:No picks traded. Love the Randle and Portis signings. No deals longer than two years. The Knicks are functioning like a smart franchise.

Dude just 3 yrs ago the NETS had No cap space, no draft picks and was one of the most unattractive destination...

This is an extremely conservative FO, who have no desire to take any risk whatsoever. You can't even trade consecutive 1st rnd picks anymore ,so I'm not give them props for that, and you finally had a star that wanted to sign here, who would have brought other stars and you whiffed on him because of fear he won't be the same. A one legged KD is better than Randle, portis and taj combine..

Mills and Perry are incompetent, and Dolan is still the fckng MAN that makes everybody look bad

This is some bull sht CRUSH and deep down you know it,

90sKnicks wrote:

If you feel you “Lost” Zion then revisit math.
If you feel we lost Kyrie then be greatful.
If we lost Durant, he was lost when he tore his heel.
Small consolation was were in his top 4. End of the day you really want a max contract with a guy sitting a year, then hopefully at 85% at the end of year two at age 33?
While I like to win, I just don’t think was “lost” here.

Well said! I've been sick as a Knicks fan for many years this century, but not today. Anyone who doesn't understand that we are undergoing our first true rebuild (the right way) is probably the reason the Knicks management often panics and signs big names to appease them.

If Durant hadn't torn his Achilles then today would have been entirely different as far as expectations of signing him and as far as real disappointment if he didn't sign.

I would have preferred 2 years for 48 million on the Randle signing instead of 3 for 63. That's the only thing that i'm disappointed with today.

If thats the case then why are we not taking on salary dumps and adding draft picks?
Why are we not keeping imexpensive vets ($1m LT) instead of signing expensive vets in Gibson. Your telling me Taj is 10 times better than LT? Why are we not signing inexpensive young players? (Vonleh $5M) You will see Randle is not 4 times better than him. Bullock for $10M? Come on...

Fact is, we ****ed up deals that were teed up. Okay, lets say that's fine. Durant will go from best player on earth to a bumbling gimp. So why hand out all this salary to guys that essentially dont make us better than last year and will not be part of any future chip team. Bit that wpuld be fine if we were taking on draft picks to overpay these rentals. That is, unless you think that anyone we picked up will be part of any chip team? If so,,you haven't seen those guys play. But enjoy finding out during the regular season.
Knicks whiffed, yet again in FA. Their back up plan should have been deals like GS offered for Iggy. Or keep the same team as last year and get another top 3 pick. Instead they knee jerked to save face and signed a bunch of over paid bums with the space cleared dumping KP because they **** that relationship out of NY.

But I guess guys will,keep spinning to get by. Maybe an intervention will help.

HofstraBBall wrote:

90sKnicks wrote:

If you feel you “Lost” Zion then revisit math.
If you feel we lost Kyrie then be greatful.
If we lost Durant, he was lost when he tore his heel.
Small consolation was were in his top 4. End of the day you really want a max contract with a guy sitting a year, then hopefully at 85% at the end of year two at age 33?
While I like to win, I just don’t think was “lost” here.

Well said! I've been sick as a Knicks fan for many years this century, but not today. Anyone who doesn't understand that we are undergoing our first true rebuild (the right way) is probably the reason the Knicks management often panics and signs big names to appease them.

If Durant hadn't torn his Achilles then today would have been entirely different as far as expectations of signing him and as far as real disappointment if he didn't sign.

I would have preferred 2 years for 48 million on the Randle signing instead of 3 for 63. That's the only thing that i'm disappointed with today.

If thats the case then why are we not taking on salary dumps and adding draft picks?
Why are we not keeping imexpensive vets ($1m LT) instead of signing expensive vets in Gibson. Your telling me Taj is 10 times better than LT? Why are we not signing inexpensive young players? (Vonleh $5M) You will see Randle is not 4 times better than him. Bullock for $10M? Come on...

Fact is, we ****ed up deals that were teed up. Okay, lets say that's fine. Durant will go from best player on earth to a bumbling gimp. So why hand out all this salary to guys that essentially dont make us better than last year and will not be part of any future chip team. Bit that wpuld be fine if we were taking on draft picks to overpay these rentals. That is, unless you think that anyone we picked up will be part of any chip team? If so,,you haven't seen those guys play. But enjoy finding out during the regular season.
Knicks whiffed, yet again in FA. Their back up plan should have been deals like GS offered for Iggy. Or keep the same team as last year and get another top 3 pick. Instead they knee jerked to save face and signed a bunch of over paid bums with the space cleared dumping KP because they **** that relationship out of NY.

But I guess guys will,keep spinning to get by. Maybe an intervention will help.

I can't believe I'm agreeing with Hofstra.

He's right; if this was supposed to be about the future it could have and should have been played a lot better by snagging assets

this smacks of desperation of a FO and CS being spurned (their best trait was supposedly to make the team an attractive destination). they want to add some wins to keep their jobs

nothing against the players; they're all nice but expensive for what you're getting and totally inconsistent with last week's "process"

HofstraBBall wrote:

Marv wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

90sKnicks wrote:

If you feel you “Lost” Zion then revisit math.
If you feel we lost Kyrie then be greatful.
If we lost Durant, he was lost when he tore his heel.
Small consolation was were in his top 4. End of the day you really want a max contract with a guy sitting a year, then hopefully at 85% at the end of year two at age 33?
While I like to win, I just don’t think was “lost” here.

Well said! I've been sick as a Knicks fan for many years this century, but not today. Anyone who doesn't understand that we are undergoing our first true rebuild (the right way) is probably the reason the Knicks management often panics and signs big names to appease them.

If Durant hadn't torn his Achilles then today would have been entirely different as far as expectations of signing him and as far as real disappointment if he didn't sign.

I would have preferred 2 years for 48 million on the Randle signing instead of 3 for 63. That's the only thing that i'm disappointed with today.

If thats the case then why are we not taking on salary dumps and adding draft picks?
Why are we not keeping imexpensive vets ($1m LT) instead of signing expensive vets in Gibson. Your telling me Taj is 10 times better than LT? Why are we not signing inexpensive young players? (Vonleh $5M) You will see Randle is not 4 times better than him. Bullock for $10M? Come on...

Fact is, we ****ed up deals that were teed up. Okay, lets say that's fine. Durant will go from best player on earth to a bumbling gimp. So why hand out all this salary to guys that essentially dont make us better than last year and will not be part of any future chip team. Bit that wpuld be fine if we were taking on draft picks to overpay these rentals. That is, unless you think that anyone we picked up will be part of any chip team? If so,,you haven't seen those guys play. But enjoy finding out during the regular season.
Knicks whiffed, yet again in FA. Their back up plan should have been deals like GS offered for Iggy. Or keep the same team as last year and get another top 3 pick. Instead they knee jerked to save face and signed a bunch of over paid bums with the space cleared dumping KP because they **** that relationship out of NY.

But I guess guys will,keep spinning to get by. Maybe an intervention will help.

did u watch the 2nd half of the season? understandable if u didn’t given how they were playing. but if u did u would have aeen that vonleh was godawful, totally figured out and nothing like the surprise he was the 1st half. and lt? r u serious?? so glad for the massive upgrades.

Yes I did. Have you seen Randle play? Would rather have a guy over achieving for half the year and getting paid $1 million than a giving a guy like Randle, who plays like a league minimum guy, 21M X 2. This is the guy that teams are salary dumping and offering draft picks. Amd your missing my point, Vonleh ability is not the point.

Are you saying that Randle, and his type of game, will be a part of a chip team? If not, than why sign him? I would have been perfectly happy with waiting a few days after missing out on 1st tier, taking on salary dumps that give us more draft picks, taking a chance at young one year deals (like last year) and watching our young core figure things out. Worst vase is we gain draft picks and gain another lottery appearance.

Your still giving Mills too much credit and not enough blame. He knee jerked after missing and should have had a better back up plan. Picked up deala like Iggy plus 3 future 1sts.

You can't be surprise at what THIS FO has accomplished so far this offseason..

This FO will never BUILD a championship team, so all you can do is wait until they are replaced..

The FIRE chants will surely start this season

HofstraBBall wrote:

Marv wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

90sKnicks wrote:

If you feel you “Lost” Zion then revisit math.
If you feel we lost Kyrie then be greatful.
If we lost Durant, he was lost when he tore his heel.
Small consolation was were in his top 4. End of the day you really want a max contract with a guy sitting a year, then hopefully at 85% at the end of year two at age 33?
While I like to win, I just don’t think was “lost” here.

Well said! I've been sick as a Knicks fan for many years this century, but not today. Anyone who doesn't understand that we are undergoing our first true rebuild (the right way) is probably the reason the Knicks management often panics and signs big names to appease them.

If Durant hadn't torn his Achilles then today would have been entirely different as far as expectations of signing him and as far as real disappointment if he didn't sign.

I would have preferred 2 years for 48 million on the Randle signing instead of 3 for 63. That's the only thing that i'm disappointed with today.

If thats the case then why are we not taking on salary dumps and adding draft picks?
Why are we not keeping imexpensive vets ($1m LT) instead of signing expensive vets in Gibson. Your telling me Taj is 10 times better than LT? Why are we not signing inexpensive young players? (Vonleh $5M) You will see Randle is not 4 times better than him. Bullock for $10M? Come on...

Fact is, we ****ed up deals that were teed up. Okay, lets say that's fine. Durant will go from best player on earth to a bumbling gimp. So why hand out all this salary to guys that essentially dont make us better than last year and will not be part of any future chip team. Bit that wpuld be fine if we were taking on draft picks to overpay these rentals. That is, unless you think that anyone we picked up will be part of any chip team? If so,,you haven't seen those guys play. But enjoy finding out during the regular season.
Knicks whiffed, yet again in FA. Their back up plan should have been deals like GS offered for Iggy. Or keep the same team as last year and get another top 3 pick. Instead they knee jerked to save face and signed a bunch of over paid bums with the space cleared dumping KP because they **** that relationship out of NY.

But I guess guys will,keep spinning to get by. Maybe an intervention will help.

did u watch the 2nd half of the season? understandable if u didn’t given how they were playing. but if u did u would have aeen that vonleh was godawful, totally figured out and nothing like the surprise he was the 1st half. and lt? r u serious?? so glad for the massive upgrades.

Yes I did. Have you seen Randle play? Would rather have a guy over achieving for half the year and getting paid $1 million than a giving a guy like Randle, who plays like a league minimum guy, 21M X 2. This is the guy that teams are salary dumping and offering draft picks. Amd your missing my point, Vonleh ability is not the point.

Are you saying that Randle, and his type of game, will be a part of a chip team? If not, than why sign him? I would have been perfectly happy with waiting a few days after missing out on 1st tier, taking on salary dumps that give us more draft picks, taking a chance at young one year deals (like last year) and watching our young core figure things out. Worst vase is we gain draft picks and gain another lottery appearance.

Your still giving Mills too much credit and not enough blame. He knee jerked after missing and should have had a better back up plan. Picked up deala like Iggy plus 3 future 1sts.

yeah i don't agree with this at all.

as we know, very few lottery picks become superstars. I'd venture to say that if dsj, frank, knox or barrett improved every year in the league and put up randle numbers of 21 ppg and 9 rpg on 56% efg in their 4th years, we'd be beyond thrilled and would be maxing them. but because randle isn't perfect and isn't a superstar and wasn't our lottery pick, grabbing him at a great price was a bad move to you.

this isn't last year. fiz isn't being told to go get zion while we wait for kp. we're not loading the roster with washouts on 1-year contracts. we're playing to build a young winning team that will then be in a position to have much more flexibility and leverage to make moves to move up to contender level.