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6/30/2019  3:01 PM
As we are mere hours away from the start of free agency, i wanted to express to you viewpoints of the vast majority of your fans.

1) We are okay with a rebuild. We want to see improvement, but don't have unrealistic expectations and are not impatient if this takes several years to build a team that can compete to reach the NBA finals. We realize that we are only two years into the rebuilding process (which started once Melo was traded), and understand that most (successful) rebuilds take 4-5 years. We're willing to wait as long as we keep trending in the correct direction and not moving backward.

2) Do not trade draft picks. Ever. Draft picks are the building blocks to any successful long-term rebuild. Hire good scouts, trust your scouts, and rely on them to identify and draft players that fit the identity of the team that you are trying to establish.

3) With the exception of Kawhi (and possibly possibly Durant) no player in this free agent class is worth more than a 2-year deal. 3-year, 4-year, and 5-year deals are what cripple rebuilds.

4) Don't spend just to spend. This a deep free agent class but lacks true franchise players other than Kawhi (and Durant if healthy). This will result in many teams overspending on good but not great players and market price for these players will keep inflating. Don't be one of these teams.

5) Our team is young so be mindful of who we want to expose them to. Bad influences in terms of attitude and work ethic would be very detrimental if serving as role models to our young players...even if the players are talented

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6/30/2019  5:57 PM    LAST EDITED: 6/30/2019  5:58 PM
terrible look for Perry and Mills they should be fired. This is utter humilation to this franchise they should not survive the night
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6/30/2019  6:17 PM
90sKnicks wrote:As we are mere hours away from the start of free agency, i wanted to express to you viewpoints of the vast majority of your fans.

1) We are okay with a rebuild. We want to see improvement, but don't have unrealistic expectations and are not impatient if this takes several years to build a team that can compete to reach the NBA finals. We realize that we are only two years into the rebuilding process (which started once Melo was traded), and understand that most (successful) rebuilds take 4-5 years. We're willing to wait as long as we keep trending in the correct direction and not moving backward.

2) Do not trade draft picks. Ever. Draft picks are the building blocks to any successful long-term rebuild. Hire good scouts, trust your scouts, and rely on them to identify and draft players that fit the identity of the team that you are trying to establish.

3) With the exception of Kawhi (and possibly possibly Durant) no player in this free agent class is worth more than a 2-year deal. 3-year, 4-year, and 5-year deals are what cripple rebuilds.

4) Don't spend just to spend. This a deep free agent class but lacks true franchise players other than Kawhi (and Durant if healthy). This will result in many teams overspending on good but not great players and market price for these players will keep inflating. Don't be one of these teams.

5) Our team is young so be mindful of who we want to expose them to. Bad influences in terms of attitude and work ethic would be very detrimental if serving as role models to our young players...even if the players are talented

1. Which rebuild are you referring to? The one that star6ed in 2002? Uncle Phil's five years ago? Or the current 2 year one that Mills is asking us to buy in to so he can keep his job for another 5 years without anyone expecting anything from him?

Losing is an infection. Think the old timers on here are fatal cases. They prefer to root for the long shot draft pick because they play decent D. They are accustomed to looking forwatd to a high draft pick as their only higlight of the basketball year. And once we get a franchise player, lets trade him for scraps because the great FO could not maintain a solid relationship with them. Heck, most fans infected even thought it was okay to run a dinasour offensive system from the 90's thinking thats the future of basketball. Its a sickness.

Lost cases. I'm tired of the losing. Inability to attract good players. This franchise is dog **** if we cant stop settling for rooting for Frank amd Baker to kill it. We have some of the best players on the planet available and we get who? Oh wait yeah, KD Kyrie and everyone else is just not good enough for this successful group of elite players we have.

Losing is a sickness. When is everyone going to realize they all have it.

Hope that Kawhi bails us out. But why would he want to get such a nasty disease.

Fyi. Feel good about this year....

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6/30/2019  6:20 PM
HofstraBBall wrote:
90sKnicks wrote:As we are mere hours away from the start of free agency, i wanted to express to you viewpoints of the vast majority of your fans.

1) We are okay with a rebuild. We want to see improvement, but don't have unrealistic expectations and are not impatient if this takes several years to build a team that can compete to reach the NBA finals. We realize that we are only two years into the rebuilding process (which started once Melo was traded), and understand that most (successful) rebuilds take 4-5 years. We're willing to wait as long as we keep trending in the correct direction and not moving backward.

2) Do not trade draft picks. Ever. Draft picks are the building blocks to any successful long-term rebuild. Hire good scouts, trust your scouts, and rely on them to identify and draft players that fit the identity of the team that you are trying to establish.

3) With the exception of Kawhi (and possibly possibly Durant) no player in this free agent class is worth more than a 2-year deal. 3-year, 4-year, and 5-year deals are what cripple rebuilds.

4) Don't spend just to spend. This a deep free agent class but lacks true franchise players other than Kawhi (and Durant if healthy). This will result in many teams overspending on good but not great players and market price for these players will keep inflating. Don't be one of these teams.

5) Our team is young so be mindful of who we want to expose them to. Bad influences in terms of attitude and work ethic would be very detrimental if serving as role models to our young players...even if the players are talented

1. Which rebuild are you referring to? The one that star6ed in 2002? Uncle Phil's five years ago? Or the current 2 year one that Mills is asking us to buy in to so he can keep his job for another 5 years without anyone expecting anything from him?

Losing is an infection. Think the old timers on here are fatal cases. They prefer to root for the long shot draft pick because they play decent D. They are accustomed to looking forwatd to a high draft pick as their only higlight of the basketball year. And once we get a franchise player, lets trade him for scraps because the great FO could not maintain a solid relationship with them. Heck, most fans infected even thought it was okay to run a dinasour offensive system from the 90's thinking thats the future of basketball. Its a sickness.

Lost cases. I'm tired of the losing. Inability to attract good players. This franchise is dog **** if we cant stop settling for rooting for Frank amd Baker to kill it. We have some of the best players on the planet available and we get who? Oh wait yeah, KD Kyrie and everyone else is just not good enough for this successful group of elite players we have.

Losing is a sickness. When is everyone going to realize they all have it.

Hope that Kawhi bails us out. But why would he want to get such a nasty disease.

Fyi. Feel good about this year....

Did fans really expect the league to change their opinion of Knicks mgmt overnight? Knicks rep has been caca for close to 20 years, going to take time to rebuild it. Believe Perry/Mills are going about it the right way

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6/30/2019  6:31 PM
GustavBahler wrote:
HofstraBBall wrote:
90sKnicks wrote:As we are mere hours away from the start of free agency, i wanted to express to you viewpoints of the vast majority of your fans.

1) We are okay with a rebuild. We want to see improvement, but don't have unrealistic expectations and are not impatient if this takes several years to build a team that can compete to reach the NBA finals. We realize that we are only two years into the rebuilding process (which started once Melo was traded), and understand that most (successful) rebuilds take 4-5 years. We're willing to wait as long as we keep trending in the correct direction and not moving backward.

2) Do not trade draft picks. Ever. Draft picks are the building blocks to any successful long-term rebuild. Hire good scouts, trust your scouts, and rely on them to identify and draft players that fit the identity of the team that you are trying to establish.

3) With the exception of Kawhi (and possibly possibly Durant) no player in this free agent class is worth more than a 2-year deal. 3-year, 4-year, and 5-year deals are what cripple rebuilds.

4) Don't spend just to spend. This a deep free agent class but lacks true franchise players other than Kawhi (and Durant if healthy). This will result in many teams overspending on good but not great players and market price for these players will keep inflating. Don't be one of these teams.

5) Our team is young so be mindful of who we want to expose them to. Bad influences in terms of attitude and work ethic would be very detrimental if serving as role models to our young players...even if the players are talented

1. Which rebuild are you referring to? The one that star6ed in 2002? Uncle Phil's five years ago? Or the current 2 year one that Mills is asking us to buy in to so he can keep his job for another 5 years without anyone expecting anything from him?

Losing is an infection. Think the old timers on here are fatal cases. They prefer to root for the long shot draft pick because they play decent D. They are accustomed to looking forwatd to a high draft pick as their only higlight of the basketball year. And once we get a franchise player, lets trade him for scraps because the great FO could not maintain a solid relationship with them. Heck, most fans infected even thought it was okay to run a dinasour offensive system from the 90's thinking thats the future of basketball. Its a sickness.

Lost cases. I'm tired of the losing. Inability to attract good players. This franchise is dog **** if we cant stop settling for rooting for Frank amd Baker to kill it. We have some of the best players on the planet available and we get who? Oh wait yeah, KD Kyrie and everyone else is just not good enough for this successful group of elite players we have.

Losing is a sickness. When is everyone going to realize they all have it.

Hope that Kawhi bails us out. But why would he want to get such a nasty disease.

Fyi. Feel good about this year....

Did fans really expect the league to change their opinion of Knicks mgmt overnight? Knicks rep has been caca for close to 20 years, going to take time to rebuild it. Believe Perry/Mills are going about it the right way

You realize we are totally fd now right? Even if these kids become good by the time we get a decent free agent to sign we will have to use our cap space to resign the young players. This is a gargantuan failure. You can spin it all you want but we are totally ****ed. We have to watch the Nets compete for championships while we wait till the end of June to see who we pick in the lottery. We have to hear the media asshats rip us at every turn. Further destroying our credibility. No one will play here. This sucks so hard

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6/30/2019  6:31 PM    LAST EDITED: 6/30/2019  6:34 PM
we have lost Zion, KD and KI in just few weeks ... and we’ve lost badly & sadly, since two of them will play on the other side of the river

dear front office, it’s hard to be a Knick these days

I’ve no idea what to suggest ... humble enough to say only one more thing: “do NOT overpay for modest additions”

maybe best would be to take one year heavy contracts in exchange for some first round picks and mostly hope - on top of free agency 2020 - in a deep draft coming next year(s).... Kawhi aside

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6/30/2019  6:32 PM    LAST EDITED: 6/30/2019  6:35 PM
GustavBahler wrote:
HofstraBBall wrote:
90sKnicks wrote:As we are mere hours away from the start of free agency, i wanted to express to you viewpoints of the vast majority of your fans.

1) We are okay with a rebuild. We want to see improvement, but don't have unrealistic expectations and are not impatient if this takes several years to build a team that can compete to reach the NBA finals. We realize that we are only two years into the rebuilding process (which started once Melo was traded), and understand that most (successful) rebuilds take 4-5 years. We're willing to wait as long as we keep trending in the correct direction and not moving backward.

2) Do not trade draft picks. Ever. Draft picks are the building blocks to any successful long-term rebuild. Hire good scouts, trust your scouts, and rely on them to identify and draft players that fit the identity of the team that you are trying to establish.

3) With the exception of Kawhi (and possibly possibly Durant) no player in this free agent class is worth more than a 2-year deal. 3-year, 4-year, and 5-year deals are what cripple rebuilds.

4) Don't spend just to spend. This a deep free agent class but lacks true franchise players other than Kawhi (and Durant if healthy). This will result in many teams overspending on good but not great players and market price for these players will keep inflating. Don't be one of these teams.

5) Our team is young so be mindful of who we want to expose them to. Bad influences in terms of attitude and work ethic would be very detrimental if serving as role models to our young players...even if the players are talented

1. Which rebuild are you referring to? The one that star6ed in 2002? Uncle Phil's five years ago? Or the current 2 year one that Mills is asking us to buy in to so he can keep his job for another 5 years without anyone expecting anything from him?

Losing is an infection. Think the old timers on here are fatal cases. They prefer to root for the long shot draft pick because they play decent D. They are accustomed to looking forwatd to a high draft pick as their only higlight of the basketball year. And once we get a franchise player, lets trade him for scraps because the great FO could not maintain a solid relationship with them. Heck, most fans infected even thought it was okay to run a dinasour offensive system from the 90's thinking thats the future of basketball. Its a sickness.

Lost cases. I'm tired of the losing. Inability to attract good players. This franchise is dog **** if we cant stop settling for rooting for Frank amd Baker to kill it. We have some of the best players on the planet available and we get who? Oh wait yeah, KD Kyrie and everyone else is just not good enough for this successful group of elite players we have.

Losing is a sickness. When is everyone going to realize they all have it.

Hope that Kawhi bails us out. But why would he want to get such a nasty disease.

Fyi. Feel good about this year....

Did fans really expect the league to change their opinion of Knicks mgmt overnight? Knicks rep has been caca for close to 20 years, going to take time to rebuild it. Believe Perry/Mills are going about it the right way

My point is that we lost....again. And even,worse, we loat to the Nets. Say what you want about the possibly,maybe, hopefully, fact is we lost and have lost for way too many years. Sick of it. The losing will stop when everyone stops accepting it and does something about it. Losing KP set that "right way" back by 3 years. Hard to be optimistic with this organazation. Your saying that we need more time to change. Problem is we still have the same guys running this. Things have not changed. How long did it take the Nets to change perception?

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6/30/2019  6:52 PM
Jmpasq wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
HofstraBBall wrote:
90sKnicks wrote:As we are mere hours away from the start of free agency, i wanted to express to you viewpoints of the vast majority of your fans.

1) We are okay with a rebuild. We want to see improvement, but don't have unrealistic expectations and are not impatient if this takes several years to build a team that can compete to reach the NBA finals. We realize that we are only two years into the rebuilding process (which started once Melo was traded), and understand that most (successful) rebuilds take 4-5 years. We're willing to wait as long as we keep trending in the correct direction and not moving backward.

2) Do not trade draft picks. Ever. Draft picks are the building blocks to any successful long-term rebuild. Hire good scouts, trust your scouts, and rely on them to identify and draft players that fit the identity of the team that you are trying to establish.

3) With the exception of Kawhi (and possibly possibly Durant) no player in this free agent class is worth more than a 2-year deal. 3-year, 4-year, and 5-year deals are what cripple rebuilds.

4) Don't spend just to spend. This a deep free agent class but lacks true franchise players other than Kawhi (and Durant if healthy). This will result in many teams overspending on good but not great players and market price for these players will keep inflating. Don't be one of these teams.

5) Our team is young so be mindful of who we want to expose them to. Bad influences in terms of attitude and work ethic would be very detrimental if serving as role models to our young players...even if the players are talented

1. Which rebuild are you referring to? The one that star6ed in 2002? Uncle Phil's five years ago? Or the current 2 year one that Mills is asking us to buy in to so he can keep his job for another 5 years without anyone expecting anything from him?

Losing is an infection. Think the old timers on here are fatal cases. They prefer to root for the long shot draft pick because they play decent D. They are accustomed to looking forwatd to a high draft pick as their only higlight of the basketball year. And once we get a franchise player, lets trade him for scraps because the great FO could not maintain a solid relationship with them. Heck, most fans infected even thought it was okay to run a dinasour offensive system from the 90's thinking thats the future of basketball. Its a sickness.

Lost cases. I'm tired of the losing. Inability to attract good players. This franchise is dog **** if we cant stop settling for rooting for Frank amd Baker to kill it. We have some of the best players on the planet available and we get who? Oh wait yeah, KD Kyrie and everyone else is just not good enough for this successful group of elite players we have.

Losing is a sickness. When is everyone going to realize they all have it.

Hope that Kawhi bails us out. But why would he want to get such a nasty disease.

Fyi. Feel good about this year....

Did fans really expect the league to change their opinion of Knicks mgmt overnight? Knicks rep has been caca for close to 20 years, going to take time to rebuild it. Believe Perry/Mills are going about it the right way

You realize we are totally fd now right? Even if these kids become good by the time we get a decent free agent to sign we will have to use our cap space to resign the young players. This is a gargantuan failure. You can spin it all you want but we are totally ****ed. We have to watch the Nets compete for championships while we wait till the end of June to see who we pick in the lottery. We have to hear the media asshats rip us at every turn. Further destroying our credibility. No one will play here. This sucks so hard

My idea of f'd isnt passing on a player who will be out for a season, may never be elite again. And passing on another one who cant stay healthy or lead. Dont care who rips the Knicks. The only way that cap space is gone, is if Perry/Mills hand out long term deals. Said they arent doing that for B-list talent. If these kids become worth max deals, we wont need to worry about maxing out FAs, not as much anyway.

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6/30/2019  7:03 PM
umbisam wrote:we have lost Zion, KD and KI in just few weeks ... and we’ve lost badly & sadly, since two of them will play on the other side of the river

dear front office, it’s hard to be a Knick these days

I’ve no idea what to suggest ... humble enough to say only one more thing: “do NOT overpay for modest additions”

maybe best would be to take one year heavy contracts in exchange for some first round picks and mostly hope - on top of free agency 2020 - in a deep draft coming next year(s).... Kawhi aside


If you feel you “Lost” Zion then revisit math.
If you feel we lost Kyrie then be greatful.
If we lost Durant, he was lost when he tore his heel.
Small consolation was were in his top 4. End of the day you really want a max contract with a guy sitting a year, then hopefully at 85% at the end of year two at age 33?
While I like to win, I just don’t think was “lost” here.

As for all you Net haters I don’t know why your so concerned? Are you thinking if they are successful it will impact what others think of Knicks? Thats weak as hell.
Knicks will right their own story. Nets have theirs. Really, if nets fail and knicks fail you really feel that much better about the knicks?

I would like to know why things are working as they are. Not some speculation but some reality.

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6/30/2019  7:03 PM
HofstraBBall wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
HofstraBBall wrote:
90sKnicks wrote:As we are mere hours away from the start of free agency, i wanted to express to you viewpoints of the vast majority of your fans.

1) We are okay with a rebuild. We want to see improvement, but don't have unrealistic expectations and are not impatient if this takes several years to build a team that can compete to reach the NBA finals. We realize that we are only two years into the rebuilding process (which started once Melo was traded), and understand that most (successful) rebuilds take 4-5 years. We're willing to wait as long as we keep trending in the correct direction and not moving backward.

2) Do not trade draft picks. Ever. Draft picks are the building blocks to any successful long-term rebuild. Hire good scouts, trust your scouts, and rely on them to identify and draft players that fit the identity of the team that you are trying to establish.

3) With the exception of Kawhi (and possibly possibly Durant) no player in this free agent class is worth more than a 2-year deal. 3-year, 4-year, and 5-year deals are what cripple rebuilds.

4) Don't spend just to spend. This a deep free agent class but lacks true franchise players other than Kawhi (and Durant if healthy). This will result in many teams overspending on good but not great players and market price for these players will keep inflating. Don't be one of these teams.

5) Our team is young so be mindful of who we want to expose them to. Bad influences in terms of attitude and work ethic would be very detrimental if serving as role models to our young players...even if the players are talented

1. Which rebuild are you referring to? The one that star6ed in 2002? Uncle Phil's five years ago? Or the current 2 year one that Mills is asking us to buy in to so he can keep his job for another 5 years without anyone expecting anything from him?

Losing is an infection. Think the old timers on here are fatal cases. They prefer to root for the long shot draft pick because they play decent D. They are accustomed to looking forwatd to a high draft pick as their only higlight of the basketball year. And once we get a franchise player, lets trade him for scraps because the great FO could not maintain a solid relationship with them. Heck, most fans infected even thought it was okay to run a dinasour offensive system from the 90's thinking thats the future of basketball. Its a sickness.

Lost cases. I'm tired of the losing. Inability to attract good players. This franchise is dog **** if we cant stop settling for rooting for Frank amd Baker to kill it. We have some of the best players on the planet available and we get who? Oh wait yeah, KD Kyrie and everyone else is just not good enough for this successful group of elite players we have.

Losing is a sickness. When is everyone going to realize they all have it.

Hope that Kawhi bails us out. But why would he want to get such a nasty disease.

Fyi. Feel good about this year....

Did fans really expect the league to change their opinion of Knicks mgmt overnight? Knicks rep has been caca for close to 20 years, going to take time to rebuild it. Believe Perry/Mills are going about it the right way

My point is that we lost....again. And even,worse, we loat to the Nets. Say what you want about the possibly,maybe, hopefully, fact is we lost and have lost for way too many years. Sick of it. The losing will stop when everyone stops accepting it and does something about it. Losing KP set that "right way" back by 3 years. Hard to be optimistic with this organazation. Your saying that we need more time to change. Problem is we still have the same guys running this. Things have not changed. How long did it take the Nets to change perception?

We have a top 3 pick, cap room, strong draft since Perry got here. No bad deals given out. I would say things are changing. Maxing out Cousins, that would be more of the same. Believe the rest of the league like the new attitude, but they want to see more. As long as the yoots are developing next season, the team starts playing like a team, Im good. Cant ask for more considering the heavy lift mgmt has to do to prove times are changing.

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6/30/2019  7:07 PM    LAST EDITED: 6/30/2019  7:11 PM
GustavBahler wrote:
Jmpasq wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
HofstraBBall wrote:
90sKnicks wrote:As we are mere hours away from the start of free agency, i wanted to express to you viewpoints of the vast majority of your fans.

1) We are okay with a rebuild. We want to see improvement, but don't have unrealistic expectations and are not impatient if this takes several years to build a team that can compete to reach the NBA finals. We realize that we are only two years into the rebuilding process (which started once Melo was traded), and understand that most (successful) rebuilds take 4-5 years. We're willing to wait as long as we keep trending in the correct direction and not moving backward.

2) Do not trade draft picks. Ever. Draft picks are the building blocks to any successful long-term rebuild. Hire good scouts, trust your scouts, and rely on them to identify and draft players that fit the identity of the team that you are trying to establish.

3) With the exception of Kawhi (and possibly possibly Durant) no player in this free agent class is worth more than a 2-year deal. 3-year, 4-year, and 5-year deals are what cripple rebuilds.

4) Don't spend just to spend. This a deep free agent class but lacks true franchise players other than Kawhi (and Durant if healthy). This will result in many teams overspending on good but not great players and market price for these players will keep inflating. Don't be one of these teams.

5) Our team is young so be mindful of who we want to expose them to. Bad influences in terms of attitude and work ethic would be very detrimental if serving as role models to our young players...even if the players are talented

1. Which rebuild are you referring to? The one that star6ed in 2002? Uncle Phil's five years ago? Or the current 2 year one that Mills is asking us to buy in to so he can keep his job for another 5 years without anyone expecting anything from him?

Losing is an infection. Think the old timers on here are fatal cases. They prefer to root for the long shot draft pick because they play decent D. They are accustomed to looking forwatd to a high draft pick as their only higlight of the basketball year. And once we get a franchise player, lets trade him for scraps because the great FO could not maintain a solid relationship with them. Heck, most fans infected even thought it was okay to run a dinasour offensive system from the 90's thinking thats the future of basketball. Its a sickness.

Lost cases. I'm tired of the losing. Inability to attract good players. This franchise is dog **** if we cant stop settling for rooting for Frank amd Baker to kill it. We have some of the best players on the planet available and we get who? Oh wait yeah, KD Kyrie and everyone else is just not good enough for this successful group of elite players we have.

Losing is a sickness. When is everyone going to realize they all have it.

Hope that Kawhi bails us out. But why would he want to get such a nasty disease.

Fyi. Feel good about this year....

Did fans really expect the league to change their opinion of Knicks mgmt overnight? Knicks rep has been caca for close to 20 years, going to take time to rebuild it. Believe Perry/Mills are going about it the right way

You realize we are totally fd now right? Even if these kids become good by the time we get a decent free agent to sign we will have to use our cap space to resign the young players. This is a gargantuan failure. You can spin it all you want but we are totally ****ed. We have to watch the Nets compete for championships while we wait till the end of June to see who we pick in the lottery. We have to hear the media asshats rip us at every turn. Further destroying our credibility. No one will play here. This sucks so hard

My idea of f'd isnt passing on a player who will be out for a season, may never be elite again. And passing on another one who cant stay healthy or lead. Dont care who rips the Knicks. The only way that cap space is gone, is if Perry/Mills hand out long term deals. Said they arent doing that for B-list talent. If these kids become worth max deals, we wont need to worry about maxing out FAs, not as much anyway.

Think people on here are quick to look at the bright side. I get it, its all you can do when your accustomed to losing. That and one gets good at throwing shade at other players, teams or deals. Im not going to jump off the Empire like some fanatic, just calling it the way it is. The Nets did exactly what we wanted to do. They are much closer to a chip today then we have been in 30 years. What you say about Kyrie and KD is everything we have heard before. Remember most forgetting about Kawhi or saying he would not be the same. Most are forgetting how good Kyrie was in NBA finals and ignoring that some times players just dont fit a system/team. Again, im pissed off the Nets are closer to a chip than we are. Just not going to cover my eyes and ignore the fact KD and Kyrie are capable of bringing them a chip. Something we cant say we have and hoped to have as of today.

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6/30/2019  7:13 PM
Durant might not ever be the same(a big possibility) and he is gonna be out a year when he is 32 years old. Kyrie is always getting hurt. Nets better pray they get lucky or this could turn out to be similar to the Boston trade
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6/30/2019  7:16 PM    LAST EDITED: 6/30/2019  7:16 PM
Alan Hahn on his ESPN Radio show just said " It ain't the building …..Rangers get top free agents to sign (and they just did )with them ...…………………………... why not the Knicks " ?
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6/30/2019  7:17 PM
HofstraBBall wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
Jmpasq wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
HofstraBBall wrote:
90sKnicks wrote:As we are mere hours away from the start of free agency, i wanted to express to you viewpoints of the vast majority of your fans.

1) We are okay with a rebuild. We want to see improvement, but don't have unrealistic expectations and are not impatient if this takes several years to build a team that can compete to reach the NBA finals. We realize that we are only two years into the rebuilding process (which started once Melo was traded), and understand that most (successful) rebuilds take 4-5 years. We're willing to wait as long as we keep trending in the correct direction and not moving backward.

2) Do not trade draft picks. Ever. Draft picks are the building blocks to any successful long-term rebuild. Hire good scouts, trust your scouts, and rely on them to identify and draft players that fit the identity of the team that you are trying to establish.

3) With the exception of Kawhi (and possibly possibly Durant) no player in this free agent class is worth more than a 2-year deal. 3-year, 4-year, and 5-year deals are what cripple rebuilds.

4) Don't spend just to spend. This a deep free agent class but lacks true franchise players other than Kawhi (and Durant if healthy). This will result in many teams overspending on good but not great players and market price for these players will keep inflating. Don't be one of these teams.

5) Our team is young so be mindful of who we want to expose them to. Bad influences in terms of attitude and work ethic would be very detrimental if serving as role models to our young players...even if the players are talented

1. Which rebuild are you referring to? The one that star6ed in 2002? Uncle Phil's five years ago? Or the current 2 year one that Mills is asking us to buy in to so he can keep his job for another 5 years without anyone expecting anything from him?

Losing is an infection. Think the old timers on here are fatal cases. They prefer to root for the long shot draft pick because they play decent D. They are accustomed to looking forwatd to a high draft pick as their only higlight of the basketball year. And once we get a franchise player, lets trade him for scraps because the great FO could not maintain a solid relationship with them. Heck, most fans infected even thought it was okay to run a dinasour offensive system from the 90's thinking thats the future of basketball. Its a sickness.

Lost cases. I'm tired of the losing. Inability to attract good players. This franchise is dog **** if we cant stop settling for rooting for Frank amd Baker to kill it. We have some of the best players on the planet available and we get who? Oh wait yeah, KD Kyrie and everyone else is just not good enough for this successful group of elite players we have.

Losing is a sickness. When is everyone going to realize they all have it.

Hope that Kawhi bails us out. But why would he want to get such a nasty disease.

Fyi. Feel good about this year....

Did fans really expect the league to change their opinion of Knicks mgmt overnight? Knicks rep has been caca for close to 20 years, going to take time to rebuild it. Believe Perry/Mills are going about it the right way

You realize we are totally fd now right? Even if these kids become good by the time we get a decent free agent to sign we will have to use our cap space to resign the young players. This is a gargantuan failure. You can spin it all you want but we are totally ****ed. We have to watch the Nets compete for championships while we wait till the end of June to see who we pick in the lottery. We have to hear the media asshats rip us at every turn. Further destroying our credibility. No one will play here. This sucks so hard

My idea of f'd isnt passing on a player who will be out for a season, may never be elite again. And passing on another one who cant stay healthy or lead. Dont care who rips the Knicks. The only way that cap space is gone, is if Perry/Mills hand out long term deals. Said they arent doing that for B-list talent. If these kids become worth max deals, we wont need to worry about maxing out FAs, not as much anyway.

Think people on here are quick to look at the bright side. I het it, its all you can do when your accustomed to losing. That and good at throwing shade at other players, teams deals. Hey, I'm,not my.pingbof the Empire, just calling it the way it is. The Nets sis exactly what we wanted to do. They are much closer to a chip today then we jave been in 30 years. What you say about Kyrie and KD is everything we jave heard before. Remember most forgetting about Kawhi or saying je wpuld not be the same. Most are forgetting how good Kyrie was in NBA finals and ignoring that some times players just dont fit a system/team. Again, I'm,pissed the Nets are closer to a chip than we are. And no, I'm,not going to cober my eyes and ignore the fact KD and Kyrie are capable of bringing them a chip. Something we cant say we have.

Allow me to flip the script...

I get it, you have seen so much losing as a fan, that anything but an instant path to contention will satisfy you. Before KD got hurt, that might have been the plan. But Durant did get hurt, at an age where that could effectively end his career as an elite player. The other player got through showing he is not a team player.

The old Knicks would have blown through those red flags at 100 miles per hour. Thats the Knicks you want to see us go back to. Not the one that says, things change, this deal doesnt look so good anymore.

I didnt expect a major haul in free agency, so soon after Perry's arrival. He isnt Jerry West. Needs time to prove he can see a rebuild through. So far believe Perry is doing just that

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6/30/2019  7:20 PM
GustavBahler wrote:
HofstraBBall wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
Jmpasq wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
HofstraBBall wrote:
90sKnicks wrote:As we are mere hours away from the start of free agency, i wanted to express to you viewpoints of the vast majority of your fans.

1) We are okay with a rebuild. We want to see improvement, but don't have unrealistic expectations and are not impatient if this takes several years to build a team that can compete to reach the NBA finals. We realize that we are only two years into the rebuilding process (which started once Melo was traded), and understand that most (successful) rebuilds take 4-5 years. We're willing to wait as long as we keep trending in the correct direction and not moving backward.

2) Do not trade draft picks. Ever. Draft picks are the building blocks to any successful long-term rebuild. Hire good scouts, trust your scouts, and rely on them to identify and draft players that fit the identity of the team that you are trying to establish.

3) With the exception of Kawhi (and possibly possibly Durant) no player in this free agent class is worth more than a 2-year deal. 3-year, 4-year, and 5-year deals are what cripple rebuilds.

4) Don't spend just to spend. This a deep free agent class but lacks true franchise players other than Kawhi (and Durant if healthy). This will result in many teams overspending on good but not great players and market price for these players will keep inflating. Don't be one of these teams.

5) Our team is young so be mindful of who we want to expose them to. Bad influences in terms of attitude and work ethic would be very detrimental if serving as role models to our young players...even if the players are talented

1. Which rebuild are you referring to? The one that star6ed in 2002? Uncle Phil's five years ago? Or the current 2 year one that Mills is asking us to buy in to so he can keep his job for another 5 years without anyone expecting anything from him?

Losing is an infection. Think the old timers on here are fatal cases. They prefer to root for the long shot draft pick because they play decent D. They are accustomed to looking forwatd to a high draft pick as their only higlight of the basketball year. And once we get a franchise player, lets trade him for scraps because the great FO could not maintain a solid relationship with them. Heck, most fans infected even thought it was okay to run a dinasour offensive system from the 90's thinking thats the future of basketball. Its a sickness.

Lost cases. I'm tired of the losing. Inability to attract good players. This franchise is dog **** if we cant stop settling for rooting for Frank amd Baker to kill it. We have some of the best players on the planet available and we get who? Oh wait yeah, KD Kyrie and everyone else is just not good enough for this successful group of elite players we have.

Losing is a sickness. When is everyone going to realize they all have it.

Hope that Kawhi bails us out. But why would he want to get such a nasty disease.

Fyi. Feel good about this year....

Did fans really expect the league to change their opinion of Knicks mgmt overnight? Knicks rep has been caca for close to 20 years, going to take time to rebuild it. Believe Perry/Mills are going about it the right way

You realize we are totally fd now right? Even if these kids become good by the time we get a decent free agent to sign we will have to use our cap space to resign the young players. This is a gargantuan failure. You can spin it all you want but we are totally ****ed. We have to watch the Nets compete for championships while we wait till the end of June to see who we pick in the lottery. We have to hear the media asshats rip us at every turn. Further destroying our credibility. No one will play here. This sucks so hard

My idea of f'd isnt passing on a player who will be out for a season, may never be elite again. And passing on another one who cant stay healthy or lead. Dont care who rips the Knicks. The only way that cap space is gone, is if Perry/Mills hand out long term deals. Said they arent doing that for B-list talent. If these kids become worth max deals, we wont need to worry about maxing out FAs, not as much anyway.

Think people on here are quick to look at the bright side. I het it, its all you can do when your accustomed to losing. That and good at throwing shade at other players, teams deals. Hey, I'm,not my.pingbof the Empire, just calling it the way it is. The Nets sis exactly what we wanted to do. They are much closer to a chip today then we jave been in 30 years. What you say about Kyrie and KD is everything we jave heard before. Remember most forgetting about Kawhi or saying je wpuld not be the same. Most are forgetting how good Kyrie was in NBA finals and ignoring that some times players just dont fit a system/team. Again, I'm,pissed the Nets are closer to a chip than we are. And no, I'm,not going to cober my eyes and ignore the fact KD and Kyrie are capable of bringing them a chip. Something we cant say we have.

Allow me to flip the script...

I get it, you have seen so much losing as a fan, that anything but an instant path to contention will satisfy you. Before KD got hurt, that might have been the plan. But Durant did get hurt, at an age where that could effectively end his career as an elite player. The other player got through showing he is not a team player.

The old Knicks would have blown through those red flags at 100 miles per hour. Thats the Knicks you want to see us go back to. Not the one that says, things change, this deal doesnt look so good anymore.

I didnt expect a major haul in free agency, so soon after Perry's arrival. He isnt Jerry West. Needs time to prove he can see a rebuild through. So far believe Perry is doing just that

Agreed. Plus i feel we need to continue building through the draft. I mean the Warriors became a super team long before Durant got there because of the draft. Signing injury prone players especially a player with a damn Achilles injury is something we used to do and would always regret it. I’m happy we aren’t making those same mistakes
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6/30/2019  7:26 PM    LAST EDITED: 6/30/2019  7:29 PM
Nalod wrote:
umbisam wrote:we have lost Zion, KD and KI in just few weeks ... and we’ve lost badly & sadly, since two of them will play on the other side of the river

dear front office, it’s hard to be a Knick these days

I’ve no idea what to suggest ... humble enough to say only one more thing: “do NOT overpay for modest additions”

maybe best would be to take one year heavy contracts in exchange for some first round picks and mostly hope - on top of free agency 2020 - in a deep draft coming next year(s).... Kawhi aside


If you feel you “Lost” Zion then revisit math.
If you feel we lost Kyrie then be greatful.
If we lost Durant, he was lost when he tore his heel.
Small consolation was were in his top 4. End of the day you really want a max contract with a guy sitting a year, then hopefully at 85% at the end of year two at age 33?
While I like to win, I just don’t think was “lost” here.

As for all you Net haters I don’t know why your so concerned? Are you thinking if they are successful it will impact what others think of Knicks? Thats weak as hell.
Knicks will right their own story. Nets have theirs. Really, if nets fail and knicks fail you really feel that much better about the knicks?

I would like to know why things are working as they are. Not some speculation but some reality.

we have different opinions here ... I think KD is better on one leg than 95% of the league

said that, I don’t care about the ‘if’s ... I care Dolan does not reiterates on huge mistakes ie offering max contracts to tier 3 players ... if we have no chances with Kawhi, as I think, let’s change strategy and aim for picks by hiring one-year-only expensive players

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6/30/2019  8:41 PM
If you feel you “Lost” Zion then revisit math.
If you feel we lost Kyrie then be greatful.
If we lost Durant, he was lost when he tore his heel.
Small consolation was were in his top 4. End of the day you really want a max contract with a guy sitting a year, then hopefully at 85% at the end of year two at age 33?
While I like to win, I just don’t think was “lost” here.


Well said! I've been sick as a Knicks fan for many years this century, but not today. Anyone who doesn't understand that we are undergoing our first true rebuild (the right way) is probably the reason the Knicks management often panics and signs big names to appease them.

If Durant hadn't torn his Achilles then today would have been entirely different as far as expectations of signing him and as far as real disappointment if he didn't sign.

I would have preferred 2 years for 48 million on the Randle signing instead of 3 for 63. That's the only thing that i'm disappointed with today.

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6/30/2019  8:53 PM
90sKnicks wrote:
If you feel you “Lost” Zion then revisit math.
If you feel we lost Kyrie then be greatful.
If we lost Durant, he was lost when he tore his heel.
Small consolation was were in his top 4. End of the day you really want a max contract with a guy sitting a year, then hopefully at 85% at the end of year two at age 33?
While I like to win, I just don’t think was “lost” here.


Well said! I've been sick as a Knicks fan for many years this century, but not today. Anyone who doesn't understand that we are undergoing our first true rebuild (the right way) is probably the reason the Knicks management often panics and signs big names to appease them.

If Durant hadn't torn his Achilles then today would have been entirely different as far as expectations of signing him and as far as real disappointment if he didn't sign.

I would have preferred 2 years for 48 million on the Randle signing instead of 3 for 63. That's the only thing that i'm disappointed with today.

Third year is the team option , which from my understanding lets us keep his bird rights and therefore makes his contract more tradable if need be

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6/30/2019  11:20 PM
Yes they are doing the right moves, these contracts will not impact FA in 2021 and the Randal contract could probably be traded for picks later
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