Marv wrote:

blkexec wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:Looks like RJ is hushing a lot of his critics lately. Kid looks relaxed and doing a little bit of everything

Yep....I said RJ might be the best player on Duke, when he was in college. I saw exactly what we saw today. But more importantly, he had no fear in college, even with Zion on his team. And in crunch time, Coach K put the ball in RJ's hands. Zion deferred to RJ as well. Those were qualities I saw in college. When we fell to 3 in the draft, it reminded me of KP all over again. We wanted the #1 pick, but RJ has the same potential if not more than Zion. And RJ is a gym rat that wants to be the best....With mentors that will sharpen him up like a pencil throughout his career. I love how he slowed down his pace, and his vision is better than I thought.

wow. rj playing like last year’s #3. Don’t need that explosion when you’re skilled, crafty and smart.

Give it time.....It takes a while b4 those NBA drugs kick in. When they do, he will have more explosiveness and his career will lead to greatness.....Mamba Style.

But b4 we get ahead of ourselves....hes still an average NBA player, with playmaking skills that can bring a team together and uplift the skill set of others, like knox.

KnickDanger wrote:21 points, 10 rebounds, 8 assists...I thought he was a bust....

fishmike wrote:

KnickDanger wrote:21 points, 10 rebounds, 8 assists...I thought he was a bust....

Guys coming out and saying that stuff after two games... its just so stupid and part of the internet message forum fun. This kid is gonna be great. How great? Who knows... but we got high end talent and that is a nice start for once.

blkexec wrote:

Welpee wrote:

fishmike wrote:

KnickDanger wrote:21 points, 10 rebounds, 8 assists...I thought he was a bust....

Guys coming out and saying that stuff after two games... its just so stupid and part of the internet message forum fun. This kid is gonna be great. How great? Who knows... but we got high end talent and that is a nice start for once.

Yeah, I never understood people's desire to say they were the first to proclaim that a player sucks. Need to give it time both ways. Way too early to say he'll suck, but way too early to proclaim him a future star.

I see nothing wrong with trying to predict someones future. It's called being a sports fan. What I don't give credit for is saying someone sucks based on current stats. I give credit for the opposite. When everybody was down on RJ and riding Zion's wagon, I was one of a few fans saying RJ might be better than Zion, back in college. I guess being a knicks fan for so long, I like rooting for the underdog. And RJ never got his credit, living in Zion's shadow.

Zion's perimeter shot looks terrible. Guys are going to jab and back up on him, keep him off balance, and dare him to shoot. He will get his fast break points, but teams are going to figure him out and find ways to mess up his head in the half-court game.

When I see him hitting midrange jumpers with consistency and showing a turn abound jumper against a lengthy opponent, I'll reevaluate my opinion.

I never thought he was the generational player some thought he was, and I was pissed that we didn't get the #1 pick for some time, until I realized that I was hesitant to draft Zion at #1.

We'll see.

ONe of the Morris Brothers will test Zion or some other player. Its still the law of the jungle out there were guys are vying for money and pride. Zion’s hops do give much to the imagination of what could be. Lebron and Michael were athletic freaks but until their shot developed they were limited and would have worn themselves out.
Zion does possess a unique tool chest of skills in the open court and so strong to pass out. He can be very dangerous rebounding and creating high tempo transition. Wes Unseld at 6-7 and a monster was HOF and the back bone of the Baltimore/Washington teams that eventually won a chip by the end of the 70’s. Zion has the handle to start the break. Massive tool to have. Add the open court passing acumen and we starting to add things up. His shot has a long way to go.. Its an awkward quick release and I don’t think he elevates much with it. was it Mitch who blocked him on the perimeter? That might have never happened to him before.

I can’t predict his career success but he is such an unusual talent and one we might not have seen before. Thats why the hype and excitement. I doubt it might not be year one.

KnickDanger wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

Welpee wrote:

fishmike wrote:

KnickDanger wrote:21 points, 10 rebounds, 8 assists...I thought he was a bust....

Guys coming out and saying that stuff after two games... its just so stupid and part of the internet message forum fun. This kid is gonna be great. How great? Who knows... but we got high end talent and that is a nice start for once.

Yeah, I never understood people's desire to say they were the first to proclaim that a player sucks. Need to give it time both ways. Way too early to say he'll suck, but way too early to proclaim him a future star.

I think some knick followers (and I call them followers rather than fans, because they sure don't seem to root for the team), just seem to relentlessly campaign for everyone to say that the entire team is trash, all their decisions are trash, the coach is trash, all their young players are trash, they have no hope and their future will be one of failure. But also they should make the playoffs and win multiple series and attract all the top FAs.

It's like that with anything you like- tv shows, music- you go online to discuss it with fellow fans, only to discover the boards and sites are filled with people saying everything about the tv show or music is trash. I always think if you genuinely believe it, why waste your time following something you think is so s***- find a better use of your time.

I truly don't get this. Look, we don't need to be super homer boys and ignore that the last 20 years of Knickdom were primarily a shat show -- but whether one likes the decisions and moves of the current FO or not you would need to have a nasty agenda to not admit things are being done differently. In the past couple of months they were excoriated on a daily/hourly basis with no regard to possible positives -- seriously. I could not listen to sports talk radio in the FA aftermath because it was beating that dead horse back to life then death again (other than Joe Benigno and Alan Hahn to my ears -- who interestingly were slammed in yesterday's Daily News by Bob Raissman for leading a "soft" media response to "Knicks Chaos." What stations is he tuned into?). It peaked for me last week when watching ESPN after the second summer league game some clown was ranting about how the Knicks in RJ had drafted another bust after "striking out" in free agency. I have to believe that these schmucks can't really believe what they're saying but are simply stoking the trendy Knicks-hate fire. Hell, the Knicks were raked across the coals for not winning the lottery! Like I said I don't get it but it seems to be how it is now -- only rooting for the first place team is acceptable.

Having said that I am excited to see RJ develop along with Mitch and Knox and maybe a couple among DSJ, Frank, Dotson, Trier, Iggy, Wooten at al. To see how Randle and the new FAs play out. I am glad we have a FO doing things differently -- flexible contracts/cap space going forward, all our first rounders plus, and what seems to be becoming a good drafting record. Do I think we're going to the finals? Naaah -- but I'm sure glad we're not cap strung with a gimpy KD and nutty Kyrie minus most of our assets. Nothing against the Nets, but I envision these same imbeciles jumping off their bandwagon soon enough and onto ours. Yuck -- but that's the way it goes these days.

Good take.

As for Nets stealing the show.....that's correct. The media show. The starphuch nature of a "win" disregarding the on court improvement.
I don't hate on Nets like some do, and its not for me to day its cool or not, My take is they do what they gotta do and knicks do theirs. Nets made playoffs and need starpower to boost attendance. Kyrie is a very exciting player and Durant in year two and beyond if healthy can provide a huge boost on court.
Knicks make up is not the same and there is no valid correlation to say the teams are the same, and thus Knicks "Lost". The media had knicks getting Durant all along. Seems in retrospect there are a lot of things missing to all of this we don't know about. if so, then perhaps one day we get it.
Knicks seemed locked and loaded June 30th. Dolan had said it was going to be a big summer. Other than that I don't hold them that responsible for leading us astray.

I will say that if team did sign a big name for the buzz or a heavy weight trade and it failed in traditional knick history it would have fatigued many fans. Thus im fine with the slow rebuild and in time a trade will present itself that makes sense. Make a plan and stick to it. Doing a deal in response to the Nets moves would be silly.

masud wrote:Anyone know where I can find copy of the last game against Washington?

Thankfully there are quite a few sites , just do a google search for NBA HD replays.