fishmike wrote:Randle is very mobile. Not the best from 3... last year was the first he really added the shot but he showed promise.
Nice handle for a big
Very good rebounder
Great in the open floor
Highly athletic
Ball mover
Turns 25 next year

Will be costly... this will likely require an investment.

A couple concerns that i have; with Randle and mitch you have 2 limited shooters. That's not a great idea with Smith, Barrett, and knox all being streaky. Also, most teams committing long-term to good but not great bigs start to have buyer's remorse i.e. Capela. Randle is good, but my concern is his price tag will exceed his actual value without great shooting or defense. I would rather keep Mitch as the lone big man and add a pure shooter at the 4 (or 3 with Knox playing the 4.) The way the league is, it's better to load up on shooters and athletic wings than clog the paint with scoring bigs.

fishmike wrote:Randle is very mobile. Not the best from 3... last year was the first he really added the shot but he showed promise.
Nice handle for a big
Very good rebounder
Great in the open floor
Highly athletic
Ball mover
Turns 25 next year

Will be costly... this will likely require an investment.

what kind of deal are we talking? 20M per, 4 years?

Any deal is a gamble, but I like what Randle did last year, and it bodes well moving forward.

He'd be a nice signing, especially if we could keep some of our own FA (Vonley, Mudiay, Mario).

newyorknewyork wrote:

fishmike wrote:Randle is very mobile. Not the best from 3... last year was the first he really added the shot but he showed promise.
Nice handle for a big
Very good rebounder
Great in the open floor
Highly athletic
Ball mover
Turns 25 next year

Will be costly... this will likely require an investment.

He’s the guy I’ve been clamoring for if the superstars fall though. Or even as a 3rd piece through trade. He is similar to a Siakam from Toronto. Ability to handle shoot rebound create for others. Was a top 5 pick himself. Only 24 and will get better at those things he does well. He doesn’t need plays called to produce. But can fill in that go to role for the Knicks as the other young guys develop. Main thing will be price. Paying him like he is a superstar and the Knicks featured player would be a Knicks of past move. He got 9mil last season then added the 3. I think doubling that 9mil with the added 3 is the correct price range.

Siakam is a multi-positional defender. Randle is not a good defensive player. That's not a fair comparison. He's a more athletic Kanter.

fishmike wrote:Randle is very mobile. Not the best from 3... last year was the first he really added the shot but he showed promise.
Nice handle for a big
Very good rebounder
Great in the open floor
Highly athletic
Ball mover
Turns 25 next year

Will be costly... this will likely require an investment.

These are the options that are available to us and what we need to take advantage of...We have to commit some of cap space anyway, as to meet NBA requirements, so why not grab young players with great potential. This is the type of innovation we need, but that the same time, we cant tie-up all of our money in these type of investments.
We need to keep space open to absorb expiring contracts attached to draft picks.

With that said, I like Randle a lot. Love him coming out of college. He is a dawg and plays with the type of aggression and attitude that helps give a team an identity/ Randle, Trier, DSJ, Mitch and RJ all have that dawg in them. sign me up.

Knixkik wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

fishmike wrote:Randle is very mobile. Not the best from 3... last year was the first he really added the shot but he showed promise.
Nice handle for a big
Very good rebounder
Great in the open floor
Highly athletic
Ball mover
Turns 25 next year

Will be costly... this will likely require an investment.

He’s the guy I’ve been clamoring for if the superstars fall though. Or even as a 3rd piece through trade. He is similar to a Siakam from Toronto. Ability to handle shoot rebound create for others. Was a top 5 pick himself. Only 24 and will get better at those things he does well. He doesn’t need plays called to produce. But can fill in that go to role for the Knicks as the other young guys develop. Main thing will be price. Paying him like he is a superstar and the Knicks featured player would be a Knicks of past move. He got 9mil last season then added the 3. I think doubling that 9mil with the added 3 is the correct price range.

Siakam is a multi-positional defender. Randle is not a good defensive player. That's not a fair comparison. He's a more athletic Kanter.

This part was true tho:

Ability to handle shoot rebound create for others.

Randle and Russell would not be my first choice. However adding a couple high end scorers who are 23/25 to the rebuild is a very good next step.

fishmike wrote:

Vmart wrote:Why not just stick with Kornet and MR. Kornet is able to spread the floor and plays well defensively. MR and Kornet compliment each other well.

because Kornet sucks and is a bench role player and has shown nothing the says he's an NBA starter. That being said I love him and hope he's back but lets be realistic about his role

Randle is gonna get you to the promise land I’ll start fitting everyone for a championship ring. Your the epitome of desperation. Kornet brings as much to the table as Randle. By the way what does randle bring that Vonleh can’t. Come on man the grass isn’t greener with this one. Costly player who will do nothing but make the situation worse.

smackeddog wrote:I'd rather have a better shooter at the PF spot, especially if Mitch isn't able to develop one.

Also- do you still want Randle if we end up signing KD, or is he a fallback option?

With Mitch, 3rd pick, $75mm in cap space and some OK young players I think you need to have some kind of core moving forward next year.
Russell and Randle represent a lot of firepower coming on the roster at age 23/25.

fishmike wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

fishmike wrote:Randle is very mobile. Not the best from 3... last year was the first he really added the shot but he showed promise.
Nice handle for a big
Very good rebounder
Great in the open floor
Highly athletic
Ball mover
Turns 25 next year

Will be costly... this will likely require an investment.

He’s the guy I’ve been clamoring for if the superstars fall though. Or even as a 3rd piece through trade. He is similar to a Siakam from Toronto. Ability to handle shoot rebound create for others. Was a top 5 pick himself. Only 24 and will get better at those things he does well. He doesn’t need plays called to produce. But can fill in that go to role for the Knicks as the other young guys develop. Main thing will be price. Paying him like he is a superstar and the Knicks featured player would be a Knicks of past move. He got 9mil last season then added the 3. I think doubling that 9mil with the added 3 is the correct price range.

Siakam is a multi-positional defender. Randle is not a good defensive player. That's not a fair comparison. He's a more athletic Kanter.

neither Siakam or Kanter are good comparisons.

This part was true tho:

Ability to handle shoot rebound create for others.

Thats the thing. 21ppg, 9rebs and 3 assists shooting 52%+ is fantastic when you consider he moves the ball and is very active and athletic. He turns 25 next year.

Randle and Russell would not be my first choice. However adding a couple high end scorers who are 23/25 to the rebuild is a very good next step.

The Siakam comparison was more about them being able to grab the rebound and handle and attack into the paint from the 3 point line out. But I can see how comparing them as a whole my throw people off. Though they do a lot of things similar.

One of the things I like about him the most is he produces basically EVERY game. Its very rare he has a game where he doesn't produce. Night in and night out you can count on him to produce. He can produce whole game #s in 1 quarter *when he gets hot*.