This where the Knicks desperation starts to kick in and they make moves for lower tier superstars and max them out. The Knicks need not get desperate and max players out that are not deserving of it. They need to avoid any signing of this sort and they should just stay the course with youth movement. If they are going after 2nd tier players then no way they should offer any max deals.

They get into massive trouble when they make decisions based on pure desperation.

We're in good hands

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We're in good hands

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Let’s see how it goes. Its a nice line to say after striking out on a deviation from the rebuilding plan.

MS wrote:The KP trade is was a gamble. Again, KP had his issues.

But if we go into this season and continue to rebuild, DSJR and a couple of pics wasn’t that big of haul. Don’t really care if KP threatened to go back to Europe.

If we don’t use our cap space I just don’t love the perception it paints.

I’m a little worried we don’t take Barrett and trade down.

MS wrote:The KP trade is was a gamble. Again, KP had his issues.

But if we go into this season and continue to rebuild, DSJR and a couple of pics wasn’t that big of haul. Don’t really care if KP threatened to go back to Europe.

If we don’t use our cap space I just don’t love the perception it paints.

I’m a little worried we don’t take Barrett and trade down.

Vmart wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

We're in good hands

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Let’s see how it goes. Its a nice line to say after striking out on a deviation from the rebuilding plan.

How so? They didnt want to give up too many building blocks, only enough to get Davis. Im glad that NO passed, still dont believe it was a mortgaging the future kind of offer. Still competitive, could call it due diligence.

The Lakers made a mortgaging the future offer and the Pelicans gladly accepted. Perry/Mills tried, but not too hard.

lurts wrote:Isn't there a team out there who will send us a Jared Jeffries with one year left on his contract--along with a pick?

Nope. Can't trade with yourself.

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Vmart wrote:We are getting to the point where the Knicks will get desperate. This is where it all goes wrong for the Knicks. Zion is gone, AD is off the table, KD is damaged goods, KT is damaged as well. What is Left Khawhi and Kyrie. Kyrie is entertaining the Nets and Khawhi most likely heads for LAnor stays put.

This where the Knicks desperation starts to kick in and they make moves for lower tier superstars and max them out. The Knicks need not get desperate and max players out that are not deserving of it. They need to avoid any signing of this sort and they should just stay the course with youth movement. If they are going after 2nd tier players then no way they should offer any max deals.

They get into massive trouble when they make decisions based on pure desperation.

Three things

1) Knicks need to get to the salary floor. Having the most cap space is nice in one way, but brings some issues in another.

2) John Wall is the real threat. Wizards badly want to dump that contract and the Knicks are in a prime position to absorb him. Do I think it's a good move? No, but I can see the open pathways that would make it happen.

3) The pathway that seems likely is absorbing bad contracts for picks attached. Finding a DeMarre Carroll situation is unlikely ( Give NardDog credit, he made a good call last offseason about absorbing Carroll for a pick and even some usefulness. Good job, NardDog) but maybe there is some opportunity there.

The problem with players like Wall is the length of commitment and the likelihood of any positive contribution.

I think a strategy that nets a better result might be to shadow teams who cannot afford all of their assets and are in danger of losing a contributing but not critical member of their team. Favors in Utah for example.

He'd be a great addition to the Knicks.

Griffin in Detroit is another example of a player highly paid on an under-performing team. Maybe they'd wrap a FRP in with Griffin for the taking just to fiscally right their ship.

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TripleThreat wrote:

Vmart wrote:We are getting to the point where the Knicks will get desperate. This is where it all goes wrong for the Knicks. Zion is gone, AD is off the table, KD is damaged goods, KT is damaged as well. What is Left Khawhi and Kyrie. Kyrie is entertaining the Nets and Khawhi most likely heads for LAnor stays put.

This where the Knicks desperation starts to kick in and they make moves for lower tier superstars and max them out. The Knicks need not get desperate and max players out that are not deserving of it. They need to avoid any signing of this sort and they should just stay the course with youth movement. If they are going after 2nd tier players then no way they should offer any max deals.

They get into massive trouble when they make decisions based on pure desperation.

Three things

1) Knicks need to get to the salary floor. Having the most cap space is nice in one way, but brings some issues in another.

2) John Wall is the real threat. Wizards badly want to dump that contract and the Knicks are in a prime position to absorb him. Do I think it's a good move? No, but I can see the open pathways that would make it happen.

3) The pathway that seems likely is absorbing bad contracts for picks attached. Finding a DeMarre Carroll situation is unlikely ( Give NardDog credit, he made a good call last offseason about absorbing Carroll for a pick and even some usefulness. Good job, NardDog) but maybe there is some opportunity there.

We don't have to get to the salary floor, all that happens if we don't is the money get's divided up between the players on our roster, which would be nice for Mitch- he's drastically underpaid.

Technically you don't need to get to the salary floor if you go to the letter of the law in the CBA

However, after the fallout of Sam Hinkie and the 76ers, if you actually do it, your franchise is ****ed. The league administration will **** you. The NBAPA and agents don't like teams doing it because it's a form of inflationary control on salaries in general.

How the league administration can **** you over

1) Reduced nationally televised game schedule

2) More back to backs and ****ty scheduling in the future

3) No chance at ever hosting league events or an All Star game

4) Refs will be ordered to **** your team over more than before

5) League will **** with any brand support you get that they also have ties to in some fashion

6) If you are in the draft lottery, the rigging will **** you over more than before

7) Any small infraction will merit the worst possible response allowed by the league

8) No general league protection from the media ( The league buries a **** load of dirt that if it made the press, would make people's eyes bleed from the **** that people in the league do that would piss off the public)

You can do it, go below the salary floor, but prepare to be horse****ed.

It's like when you start a new job and the boss says "I have an open door policy, talk to me about anything" Who actually does that ****? Do it, see what happens to you. Be the new guy and rock the boat, and see what the **** happens to you.

Also cap space unused, you don't get a credit for it. Dead cap space is under utilizing a valuable asset base. It's burning out the Zinger trade value for nothing. It doesn't mean to sign a bad deal, but you need to find a way to use the space somehow.