TripleThreat wrote:

Cartman718 wrote:Tyson Chandler and Raymond Felton to Dallas for Jose Calderon, Samuel Dalembert, Wayne Ellington, Shane Larkin, and two second-round picks (Cleanthony Early and Thanasis Antetokounmpo)

Iman Shumpert and J.R. Smith to Cleveland for Lance Thomas (via OKC), Lou Amundson, Alex Kirk and Cavs' 2019 second-round pick

Wayne Ellington and Jeremy Tyler to Sacramento for Quincy Acy and Travis Outlaw
Travis Outlaw, 2019 second-round pick and swap rights on 2018 second-rounder to Philadelphia for Arnett Moultrie

Drafted: Cleanthony Early (No. 34) and Thanasis Antetokounmpo (No. 51)

In comparison Perry looks like Houdini

Pretty simple

Phil Jackson inherited a horrible situation. Not his fault. Very common for a guy coming into a losing franchise

But he took bad situations and made them worse. Totally his ****ing fault.

If you have to dump Shump and JR, then OK. But signing Lance Thomas to that horrid 4 year deal was indefensible.

If you have to dump Chandler, then OK. But taking on Calderon instead of a pure salary clear was indefensible.

If you feel you want to trade 6 years of good cost control ( Robin Lopez and Grant, no one knew then that Grant would not pan out), then OK. But taking the bet on a no defense, no three point shooting, injured, off the court troubled max salary guy was just a poor decision.

Everyone who says Not All His Fault are CORRECT.

However anyone who says he took situations that were bad and made them worse are ALSO CORRECT.

Look at Sean Marks and the Nets. He inherited a **** situation. But he didn't make bad situations worse. Which is why NJ looks much better than ever before.

Don't make bad things worse, how ****ing hard is that?

It's like hiring a babysitter. Don't burn down the entire ****ing house. Eat some Hot Pockets and watch some Netflix. If you want to invite your BF over when the kid is asleep so you can blow him on the couch, so what, just don't burn down the entire ****ing house. How hard is that?

Phil Jackson is the babysitter who put some Hot Pockets in the microwave and burned down the entire ****ing house.

This is what you get when you hire a 70 year controversial egomaniac who has never run a front office before. Crazy ****ing idea - HIRE SOMEONE TRAINED FOR THE JOB. How nuts is that ****?

Phil didn't make that many mistakes! The house is ablaze and his tottering geriatric ass is clutching a burnt Hot Pocket and you want to say some **** like that?

This post alone was worth logging in today.

A $60 million dollar babysitter who didn't make it to the end of that contract and we got a "fuuuuhhhhhuckk you" pic of his feet. Which was apparently what he thought with while here.
Hot Pockets, indeed. Hope Triple gets a royalty check when that's the title of Phil's next book.

He signed Melo to the max with an NTC...Melo would be better off somewhere else.

He drafted KP...He "knew" KP was going to be an injury-plagued diva.

jrodmc wrote:

TripleThreat wrote:

Cartman718 wrote:Tyson Chandler and Raymond Felton to Dallas for Jose Calderon, Samuel Dalembert, Wayne Ellington, Shane Larkin, and two second-round picks (Cleanthony Early and Thanasis Antetokounmpo)

Iman Shumpert and J.R. Smith to Cleveland for Lance Thomas (via OKC), Lou Amundson, Alex Kirk and Cavs' 2019 second-round pick

Wayne Ellington and Jeremy Tyler to Sacramento for Quincy Acy and Travis Outlaw
Travis Outlaw, 2019 second-round pick and swap rights on 2018 second-rounder to Philadelphia for Arnett Moultrie

Drafted: Cleanthony Early (No. 34) and Thanasis Antetokounmpo (No. 51)

In comparison Perry looks like Houdini

Pretty simple

Phil Jackson inherited a horrible situation. Not his fault. Very common for a guy coming into a losing franchise

But he took bad situations and made them worse. Totally his ****ing fault.

If you have to dump Shump and JR, then OK. But signing Lance Thomas to that horrid 4 year deal was indefensible.

If you have to dump Chandler, then OK. But taking on Calderon instead of a pure salary clear was indefensible.

If you feel you want to trade 6 years of good cost control ( Robin Lopez and Grant, no one knew then that Grant would not pan out), then OK. But taking the bet on a no defense, no three point shooting, injured, off the court troubled max salary guy was just a poor decision.

Everyone who says Not All His Fault are CORRECT.

However anyone who says he took situations that were bad and made them worse are ALSO CORRECT.

Look at Sean Marks and the Nets. He inherited a **** situation. But he didn't make bad situations worse. Which is why NJ looks much better than ever before.

Don't make bad things worse, how ****ing hard is that?

It's like hiring a babysitter. Don't burn down the entire ****ing house. Eat some Hot Pockets and watch some Netflix. If you want to invite your BF over when the kid is asleep so you can blow him on the couch, so what, just don't burn down the entire ****ing house. How hard is that?

Phil Jackson is the babysitter who put some Hot Pockets in the microwave and burned down the entire ****ing house.

This is what you get when you hire a 70 year controversial egomaniac who has never run a front office before. Crazy ****ing idea - HIRE SOMEONE TRAINED FOR THE JOB. How nuts is that ****?

Phil didn't make that many mistakes! The house is ablaze and his tottering geriatric ass is clutching a burnt Hot Pocket and you want to say some **** like that?

THIS.

This post alone was worth logging in today.

A $60 million dollar babysitter who didn't make it to the end of that contract and we got a "fuuuuhhhhhuckk you" pic of his feet. Which was apparently what he thought with while here.
Hot Pockets, indeed. Hope Triple gets a royalty check when that's the title of Phil's next book.

He signed Melo to the max with an NTC...Melo would be better off somewhere else.

He drafted KP...He "knew" KP was going to be an injury-plagued diva.

To be fair he took KP and his value was pretty high when he took offers for him.

Vmart wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

TripleThreat wrote:

Cartman718 wrote:Tyson Chandler and Raymond Felton to Dallas for Jose Calderon, Samuel Dalembert, Wayne Ellington, Shane Larkin, and two second-round picks (Cleanthony Early and Thanasis Antetokounmpo)

Iman Shumpert and J.R. Smith to Cleveland for Lance Thomas (via OKC), Lou Amundson, Alex Kirk and Cavs' 2019 second-round pick

Wayne Ellington and Jeremy Tyler to Sacramento for Quincy Acy and Travis Outlaw
Travis Outlaw, 2019 second-round pick and swap rights on 2018 second-rounder to Philadelphia for Arnett Moultrie

Drafted: Cleanthony Early (No. 34) and Thanasis Antetokounmpo (No. 51)

In comparison Perry looks like Houdini

Pretty simple

Phil Jackson inherited a horrible situation. Not his fault. Very common for a guy coming into a losing franchise

But he took bad situations and made them worse. Totally his ****ing fault.

If you have to dump Shump and JR, then OK. But signing Lance Thomas to that horrid 4 year deal was indefensible.

If you have to dump Chandler, then OK. But taking on Calderon instead of a pure salary clear was indefensible.

If you feel you want to trade 6 years of good cost control ( Robin Lopez and Grant, no one knew then that Grant would not pan out), then OK. But taking the bet on a no defense, no three point shooting, injured, off the court troubled max salary guy was just a poor decision.

Everyone who says Not All His Fault are CORRECT.

However anyone who says he took situations that were bad and made them worse are ALSO CORRECT.

Look at Sean Marks and the Nets. He inherited a **** situation. But he didn't make bad situations worse. Which is why NJ looks much better than ever before.

Don't make bad things worse, how ****ing hard is that?

It's like hiring a babysitter. Don't burn down the entire ****ing house. Eat some Hot Pockets and watch some Netflix. If you want to invite your BF over when the kid is asleep so you can blow him on the couch, so what, just don't burn down the entire ****ing house. How hard is that?

Phil Jackson is the babysitter who put some Hot Pockets in the microwave and burned down the entire ****ing house.

This is what you get when you hire a 70 year controversial egomaniac who has never run a front office before. Crazy ****ing idea - HIRE SOMEONE TRAINED FOR THE JOB. How nuts is that ****?

Phil didn't make that many mistakes! The house is ablaze and his tottering geriatric ass is clutching a burnt Hot Pocket and you want to say some **** like that?

THIS.

This post alone was worth logging in today.

A $60 million dollar babysitter who didn't make it to the end of that contract and we got a "fuuuuhhhhhuckk you" pic of his feet. Which was apparently what he thought with while here.
Hot Pockets, indeed. Hope Triple gets a royalty check when that's the title of Phil's next book.

He signed Melo to the max with an NTC...Melo would be better off somewhere else.

He drafted KP...He "knew" KP was going to be an injury-plagued diva.

To be fair he took KP and his value was pretty high when he took offers for him.

He wanted exactly what Griffen wanted for AD..A starter/potential all star, and high picks..

If Mills was smart, he would have used KP to get rid of Noah's contract, instead of using Fiz( a terrible move) to try and Keep KP..MILLs or Perry never went to check on KP, talking about they were texting..GTFO..fiz hopped on a plane and went to see the dude..where the fck was mills..thats bad business

janis told him(last march) he wasn't signing no rookie contract extension unless he saw progress on the court and in the FO..but like some of you, mills thought he was bluffing..

Overall he did not do the job but firing him over wanting to trade KP was not a good reason.

So far, Perry is doing the job the right way.

knicks1248 wrote:

Vmart wrote:

TripleThreat wrote:

Vmart wrote:
To be fair he took KP and his value was pretty high when he took offers for him.

Based on the Stepien Rule and the situation Jackson inherited, he was pretty much locked out from trading first round picks in his timeline. He had a few opportunities but not very much flexibility.

Zinger was taken 4th, had Hinkie had his own way and taken Zinger ( his owners interfered ) then the Knicks would have taken the guy likely to fall to them - Jahlil Okafor.

Jackson took the best "Value For Slot" player on the board given positional value at the time and place while factoring in the entire marketplace. An intern for any NBA team could have made that pick.

Good GM work is the Warriors finding guys like Dedmon and Bazemore. Philly finding Covington. Houston giving Patrick Beverley a real chance.

It could have been EASY for Phil Jackson. Hire a GM trained for the job and get out of the way. Then cash his checks and say funny things to the press. Do little interviews where he's shown working with young players who have no chance to make the NBA. Take the "Ambassador" role that many retired guys take as soft job in the league.

Jackson had no cap background. No understanding of the CBA. No real scouting background. No analytics background. No established rapport with the wide range of agents and other GMs. He did have enemies he made over time though.

Jackson WAS NOT GROOMED NOR TRAINED FOR HIS JOB WITH THE KNICKS.

His failures were INEVITABLE.

I've actually sat down with real NFL capologists, who work for NFL teams currently, and had them go over with me some barebones basics on how the cap works there. It's insanely hard. Even at the entry level. You don't just have to manage the cap, but do so within the intricacies of the CBA in place. GMs actually need to understand a lot of this (Because you need to talk on the level of other GMs and their baseline knowledge base). Does anyone think a 70 year old who never did the job before was going to pick it all up in an instant?

Jackson had a reputation for not returning calls. Do you know why? Because he couldn't answer some very baseline questions that other GMs saw as entry level stuff. This is how you get jacked in trades. This is how you end up giving Lance Thomas a deal no one even understands.

Good GM work? What finding Dotson and Kornet isn’t good work? Come on man you guys bought the ESPN bullshyt and your running with it. So far Perry has done nothing but execute on Phil’s plan of action. Traded Melo check, Traded KP check. Continue youth accumulation done. Hate the man do what you will but. He will all ways be my GM 😄. A little Game of Throwns for you. Long live Perry the broken.

Your checking off their mistakes uh?

Trading guys you signed and drafted a yr or 2 into there contract means you fck'd up and now have to start all over. That's called a set back, and since it was the best 2 players on the roster, it's consider a major set back. Perry also throws (his 2nd best player in THJ) in a trade pushing us back even further, then draft 4 yr projects in in Knox and mitch pushing us further back.

5 out of the last 6 season has been 80% roster flip, and now plan b is to go out and sign a bunch of one yr players like that has worked in the past, like that helped develop your young guys, like that helped the culture, the standings, the vibe, the stability..round and round we go

Round and Round. Rainman!

knicks1248 wrote:

Vmart wrote:

TripleThreat wrote:

Vmart wrote:
To be fair he took KP and his value was pretty high when he took offers for him.

Based on the Stepien Rule and the situation Jackson inherited, he was pretty much locked out from trading first round picks in his timeline. He had a few opportunities but not very much flexibility.

Zinger was taken 4th, had Hinkie had his own way and taken Zinger ( his owners interfered ) then the Knicks would have taken the guy likely to fall to them - Jahlil Okafor.

Jackson took the best "Value For Slot" player on the board given positional value at the time and place while factoring in the entire marketplace. An intern for any NBA team could have made that pick.

Good GM work is the Warriors finding guys like Dedmon and Bazemore. Philly finding Covington. Houston giving Patrick Beverley a real chance.

It could have been EASY for Phil Jackson. Hire a GM trained for the job and get out of the way. Then cash his checks and say funny things to the press. Do little interviews where he's shown working with young players who have no chance to make the NBA. Take the "Ambassador" role that many retired guys take as soft job in the league.

Jackson had no cap background. No understanding of the CBA. No real scouting background. No analytics background. No established rapport with the wide range of agents and other GMs. He did have enemies he made over time though.

Jackson WAS NOT GROOMED NOR TRAINED FOR HIS JOB WITH THE KNICKS.

His failures were INEVITABLE.

I've actually sat down with real NFL capologists, who work for NFL teams currently, and had them go over with me some barebones basics on how the cap works there. It's insanely hard. Even at the entry level. You don't just have to manage the cap, but do so within the intricacies of the CBA in place. GMs actually need to understand a lot of this (Because you need to talk on the level of other GMs and their baseline knowledge base). Does anyone think a 70 year old who never did the job before was going to pick it all up in an instant?

Jackson had a reputation for not returning calls. Do you know why? Because he couldn't answer some very baseline questions that other GMs saw as entry level stuff. This is how you get jacked in trades. This is how you end up giving Lance Thomas a deal no one even understands.

Good GM work? What finding Dotson and Kornet isn’t good work? Come on man you guys bought the ESPN bullshyt and your running with it. So far Perry has done nothing but execute on Phil’s plan of action. Traded Melo check, Traded KP check. Continue youth accumulation done. Hate the man do what you will but. He will all ways be my GM 😄. A little Game of Throwns for you. Long live Perry the broken.

Your checking off their mistakes uh?

Trading guys you signed and drafted a yr or 2 into there contract means you fck'd up and now have to start all over. That's called a set back, and since it was the best 2 players on the roster, it's consider a major set back. Perry also throws (his 2nd best player in THJ) in a trade pushing us back even further, then draft 4 yr projects in in Knox and mitch pushing us further back.

5 out of the last 6 season has been 80% roster flip, and now plan b is to go out and sign a bunch of one yr players like that has worked in the past, like that helped develop your young guys, like that helped the culture, the standings, the vibe, the stability..round and round we go

Say what? Not taking offer would mean you f’ed up. A good GM/President realizes what he has Phil had daily account of KP as a person/player once he took him. Realized KP had a diva act and wanted to move on from him.

KP is the best player and he became coveted what better way to accumulate picks/players to increase talent base. Call it what you will but realization is also part of being a good GM.

jrodmc wrote:

Vmart wrote:

TripleThreat wrote:

Vmart wrote:
To be fair he took KP and his value was pretty high when he took offers for him.

Based on the Stepien Rule and the situation Jackson inherited, he was pretty much locked out from trading first round picks in his timeline. He had a few opportunities but not very much flexibility.

Zinger was taken 4th, had Hinkie had his own way and taken Zinger ( his owners interfered ) then the Knicks would have taken the guy likely to fall to them - Jahlil Okafor.

Jackson took the best "Value For Slot" player on the board given positional value at the time and place while factoring in the entire marketplace. An intern for any NBA team could have made that pick.

Good GM work is the Warriors finding guys like Dedmon and Bazemore. Philly finding Covington. Houston giving Patrick Beverley a real chance.

It could have been EASY for Phil Jackson. Hire a GM trained for the job and get out of the way. Then cash his checks and say funny things to the press. Do little interviews where he's shown working with young players who have no chance to make the NBA. Take the "Ambassador" role that many retired guys take as soft job in the league.

Jackson had no cap background. No understanding of the CBA. No real scouting background. No analytics background. No established rapport with the wide range of agents and other GMs. He did have enemies he made over time though.

Jackson WAS NOT GROOMED NOR TRAINED FOR HIS JOB WITH THE KNICKS.

His failures were INEVITABLE.

I've actually sat down with real NFL capologists, who work for NFL teams currently, and had them go over with me some barebones basics on how the cap works there. It's insanely hard. Even at the entry level. You don't just have to manage the cap, but do so within the intricacies of the CBA in place. GMs actually need to understand a lot of this (Because you need to talk on the level of other GMs and their baseline knowledge base). Does anyone think a 70 year old who never did the job before was going to pick it all up in an instant?

Jackson had a reputation for not returning calls. Do you know why? Because he couldn't answer some very baseline questions that other GMs saw as entry level stuff. This is how you get jacked in trades. This is how you end up giving Lance Thomas a deal no one even understands.

Good GM work? What finding Dotson and Kornet isn’t good work? Come on man you guys bought the ESPN bullshyt and your running with it. So far Perry has done nothing but execute on Phil’s plan of action. Traded Melo check, Traded KP check. Continue youth accumulation done. Hate the man do what you will but. He will all ways be my GM 😄. A little Game of Throwns for you. Long live Perry the broken.

Let us know when Perry decides to go "all in for the playoffs" and then plays the dregs of the NBDL and Lunchpail Lou. Or now starting for your NY Knicks, Jimmer Freddette, Jr! And continue to keep away from words like Noah and Rose when talking about your GM (Prez).

Nalod and Vmart, still cashing checks at the Phil Kiss My Rings Venture Capital fund. Stealth passive aggressive. Gotta love it.

fishmike wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

Vmart wrote:

TripleThreat wrote:

Vmart wrote:
To be fair he took KP and his value was pretty high when he took offers for him.

Based on the Stepien Rule and the situation Jackson inherited, he was pretty much locked out from trading first round picks in his timeline. He had a few opportunities but not very much flexibility.

Zinger was taken 4th, had Hinkie had his own way and taken Zinger ( his owners interfered ) then the Knicks would have taken the guy likely to fall to them - Jahlil Okafor.

Jackson took the best "Value For Slot" player on the board given positional value at the time and place while factoring in the entire marketplace. An intern for any NBA team could have made that pick.

Good GM work is the Warriors finding guys like Dedmon and Bazemore. Philly finding Covington. Houston giving Patrick Beverley a real chance.

It could have been EASY for Phil Jackson. Hire a GM trained for the job and get out of the way. Then cash his checks and say funny things to the press. Do little interviews where he's shown working with young players who have no chance to make the NBA. Take the "Ambassador" role that many retired guys take as soft job in the league.

Jackson had no cap background. No understanding of the CBA. No real scouting background. No analytics background. No established rapport with the wide range of agents and other GMs. He did have enemies he made over time though.

Jackson WAS NOT GROOMED NOR TRAINED FOR HIS JOB WITH THE KNICKS.

His failures were INEVITABLE.

I've actually sat down with real NFL capologists, who work for NFL teams currently, and had them go over with me some barebones basics on how the cap works there. It's insanely hard. Even at the entry level. You don't just have to manage the cap, but do so within the intricacies of the CBA in place. GMs actually need to understand a lot of this (Because you need to talk on the level of other GMs and their baseline knowledge base). Does anyone think a 70 year old who never did the job before was going to pick it all up in an instant?

Jackson had a reputation for not returning calls. Do you know why? Because he couldn't answer some very baseline questions that other GMs saw as entry level stuff. This is how you get jacked in trades. This is how you end up giving Lance Thomas a deal no one even understands.

Good GM work? What finding Dotson and Kornet isn’t good work? Come on man you guys bought the ESPN bullshyt and your running with it. So far Perry has done nothing but execute on Phil’s plan of action. Traded Melo check, Traded KP check. Continue youth accumulation done. Hate the man do what you will but. He will all ways be my GM 😄. A little Game of Throwns for you. Long live Perry the broken.

Let us know when Perry decides to go "all in for the playoffs" and then plays the dregs of the NBDL and Lunchpail Lou. Or now starting for your NY Knicks, Jimmer Freddette, Jr! And continue to keep away from words like Noah and Rose when talking about your GM (Prez).

Nalod and Vmart, still cashing checks at the Phil Kiss My Rings Venture Capital fund. Stealth passive aggressive. Gotta love it.

bro who is your audience here? Just curious. I mean if you need to be the one who carries the "someone still cares about Melo" torch than have it

LOL, truth is I love JRod but I just don’t always understand what he is talking about!!!
I’d rather smoke a blunt with Phil and chill then any other leader we have had! Grunwald might be a great guy, but dry like toast!

jrodmc wrote:

fishmike wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

Vmart wrote:

TripleThreat wrote:

Vmart wrote:
To be fair he took KP and his value was pretty high when he took offers for him.

Based on the Stepien Rule and the situation Jackson inherited, he was pretty much locked out from trading first round picks in his timeline. He had a few opportunities but not very much flexibility.

Zinger was taken 4th, had Hinkie had his own way and taken Zinger ( his owners interfered ) then the Knicks would have taken the guy likely to fall to them - Jahlil Okafor.

Jackson took the best "Value For Slot" player on the board given positional value at the time and place while factoring in the entire marketplace. An intern for any NBA team could have made that pick.

Good GM work is the Warriors finding guys like Dedmon and Bazemore. Philly finding Covington. Houston giving Patrick Beverley a real chance.

It could have been EASY for Phil Jackson. Hire a GM trained for the job and get out of the way. Then cash his checks and say funny things to the press. Do little interviews where he's shown working with young players who have no chance to make the NBA. Take the "Ambassador" role that many retired guys take as soft job in the league.

Jackson had no cap background. No understanding of the CBA. No real scouting background. No analytics background. No established rapport with the wide range of agents and other GMs. He did have enemies he made over time though.

Jackson WAS NOT GROOMED NOR TRAINED FOR HIS JOB WITH THE KNICKS.

His failures were INEVITABLE.

I've actually sat down with real NFL capologists, who work for NFL teams currently, and had them go over with me some barebones basics on how the cap works there. It's insanely hard. Even at the entry level. You don't just have to manage the cap, but do so within the intricacies of the CBA in place. GMs actually need to understand a lot of this (Because you need to talk on the level of other GMs and their baseline knowledge base). Does anyone think a 70 year old who never did the job before was going to pick it all up in an instant?

Jackson had a reputation for not returning calls. Do you know why? Because he couldn't answer some very baseline questions that other GMs saw as entry level stuff. This is how you get jacked in trades. This is how you end up giving Lance Thomas a deal no one even understands.

Good GM work? What finding Dotson and Kornet isn’t good work? Come on man you guys bought the ESPN bullshyt and your running with it. So far Perry has done nothing but execute on Phil’s plan of action. Traded Melo check, Traded KP check. Continue youth accumulation done. Hate the man do what you will but. He will all ways be my GM 😄. A little Game of Throwns for you. Long live Perry the broken.

Let us know when Perry decides to go "all in for the playoffs" and then plays the dregs of the NBDL and Lunchpail Lou. Or now starting for your NY Knicks, Jimmer Freddette, Jr! And continue to keep away from words like Noah and Rose when talking about your GM (Prez).

Nalod and Vmart, still cashing checks at the Phil Kiss My Rings Venture Capital fund. Stealth passive aggressive. Gotta love it.

bro who is your audience here? Just curious. I mean if you need to be the one who carries the "someone still cares about Melo" torch than have it

Ummmm, where did I mention Melo in this particular post? Love ya fish, but you're reading comprehension is slipping worse than your unrestrained Melo paranoia. Hi, this is a Phil sucks for Prez thread. Share a blunt with Nalod, while taking in the view at the Nassau Coliseum parking lot and maybe things might start looking up.

Check the logs bro, i'm not the one starting any of the bring back Melo threads... but obviously there's an audience for it... just sayin.

all right. 2 mentions in this thread that already made me smile this morning: "taking in the view at the Nassau Coliseum parking lot" and "Lunchpail Lou."