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ekstarks94
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6/14/2019  9:56 PM
Just hear Ric Bucher on Volin Cowherd show, he said that KD is staying in NY....not going back to the west coast....said that him and Kyrie met about still playing together. He is pushing Knicks kyrie is pushing Nets
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6/14/2019  10:17 PM
smackeddog wrote:
ekstarks94 wrote:
Chandler wrote:
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Im with KnicksFilmSchool Macri on this.

It's an awful move, I remember going through this s*** with Antonio McDyesse- always waiting, always deluding myself that he was going to come back okay. However if you must convince yourself this is a great idea, think of it this way:

It allows us to stink another year and hopefully land another high pick in next years draft. Furthermore 2020 is a terrible free agent class, so you don't really need any cap space that year as there's literally no one worth signing- it's complete trash. So really KD's salary only becomes a problem in year 3 and 4, by which point it's either sink or swim- either our young guys have started developing and showing their worth, or we're a trash team and are continuing to land high picks in the draft.

I agree with this. RIsk reward is way out of whack


I hear everything you are saying...but who is coming out as FA the next 5 years....majority of players do not make it to "true" free agency for 9-10 years after being drafted....

We can build with the kids and roll the dice on KD. With McDyess all we had was him and no real promising youth...

If you save up your chips who are you targeting in the next 5 years...are you overpaying...poison pilling another teams player on a rookie deal...alah Tim Hardaway....

I am not saying this a signular move...but a calculated risk.....any other players aside from KD and Kawhi...I would not do it...for them I would conisder

I'm ready to give up on the world of max free agency. Under this CBA you use free agency to add role players, you use the draft to add franchise changing talent. You use cap space to take on contracts for picks to help you draft role players and good supporting players. You can also use this cap space/ role players and picks to trade for superstars when they become available.

This years free agency was a once in a blue moon/exception free agency, where so many stars were on the move and it looked like some of them wanted to come to NY. Of course we were right to take a chance on that, but it's very rare (2010 was the last one), so shouldn't be our strategy going forward.

Signing KD would be a mistake, but at the end of the day I agree that we're not landing any max free agents, so it's not the end of the world. Priority going forward is draft picks and lottery position and player development- that's what will determine our future.

..."give up on the world of max free agency. Under this CBA you use free agency to add role players,..."

Yes. This is the new talent management pattern that's been established by all of the fiscal and procedural farces currently in play.

I would also suggest that, in addition to role players, that teams fish for heretofore unrealized talent. Players entering their fourth or fifth year who still show desire just might turn a corner for you. The bonus is that these kinds of contracts don't require huge cap space reserves nor long term contracts.


..."you use the draft to add franchise changing talent..."

Let's refine this a bit as well. No need to tank until and unless an inevitably bad ending is imminent because it guarantees very little.

Now if your actual pick lands in the cradle of franchise changing talent by all means mine that talent. If your pick falls outside that range - triangulate to the best talent available and this includes potential trades.


..."You use cap space to take on contracts for picks to help you draft role players and good supporting players. You can also use this cap space/ role players and picks to trade for superstars when they become available...."

Pretty much spot on.


Translating that to the Knicks - FA signings may be the retention of players who've paid their dues this year. Trier has already been picked up. Vonleah remains a desirable resigning. Numerous complementary, less-than-MAXX FAs could harden the roster.

There's lots of cap space to absorb a useful contract.

Memphis's draft night decision will be interesting. LA could very well persuade them to take Barrett and trade him to NO for LA's pick and a sweetner.

Regardless, Morant or Barrett are worth holding on to for a season or two.


The roster will be eclectic to say the least.

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6/15/2019  3:15 AM
ankurk wrote:Another option is taking on Marvin williams or Biyombo for number 12 and 52

Whoever drops in the lottery - hayes sekou little rui

Absorb and waive these guys

I read the Hornets are trying to move UP in the draft, so looks like they've no interest in trading away this draft's pick

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6/15/2019  10:34 AM
https://www.yahoo.com/sports/warriors-klay-thompson-asked-two-190815671.html

Ramona Shelburne of ESPN has the answers after the Warriors' season ended in Game 6 of the NBA Finals.

Thompson's brother, Mychel, drove him to an imaging center in Berkeley. His parents followed in a separate car. The Warriors were keeping it close deep into the fourth quarter.

With just a few minutes remaining in the game, Thompson was wheeled into the MRI machine. The game ended while he was in there.  

"What happened?" Thompson asked as soon as he finished. "Did we win?"  

It wasn't until he learned that the Warriors had lost that he began to consider what this injury might mean to his career.  

"Do you think this could affect my free agency?" he asked.

This is really sad to think about.

That must have been a rough night. Good news for KT, Warriors are going to max him out. They would have a hard time attracting quality FAs if they didnt. Not always the case, but with Klay and all the rings he helped bring to GS. Im guessing the reaction from elite players would be different.

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6/15/2019  12:10 PM
I'd still like to take a shot at landing Brogden- would fit nicely playing alongside DSJ or RJ, efficient, great shooter, seems to have a big impact on the Bucks winning, even though you wouldn't think it looking at his highlights.
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6/15/2019  12:27 PM
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6/15/2019  1:04 PM
I posted this on another thread, but I think it's worth posting on here- 2020 FA class is so bad, it might make you rethink not spending some cap space in their free agency:
https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2018/08/2020-nba-free-agents.html


Unrestricted Free Agents

Point Guards

D.J. Augustin (33)
Matthew Dellavedova (30)
Goran Dragic (33)
Reggie Jackson (30)
Brandon Knight (29)
Kyle Lowry (34)
Jeff Teague (32)
Fred VanVleet (26)


Shooting Guards

Marco Belinelli (34)
Jordan Clarkson (28)
Allen Crabbe (28)
Bryn Forbes (27)
Langston Galloway (29)
Eric Gordon (32)
Joe Harris (29)
Courtney Lee (35)
E’Twaun Moore (31)


Small Forwards

Kent Bazemore (31)
Jae Crowder (30)
Danilo Gallinari (32)
Maurice Harkless (27)
Solomon Hill (29)
Andre Iguodala (36)
C.J. Miles (33)
Chandler Parsons (32)
Andre Roberson (29)
Evan Turner (32)


Power Forwards

Davis Bertans (28)
Draymond Green (30)
Serge Ibaka (31)
Jon Leuer (31)
Patrick Patterson (31)
Marvin Williams (34)


Centers

Aron Baynes (34)
Bismack Biyombo (28)
Montrezl Harrell (26)
John Henson (30)
Dwight Howard (35)
Alex Len (27)
Meyers Leonard (28)
Ian Mahinmi (34)
Timofey Mozgov (34)
Mason Plumlee (30)
Miles Plumlee (32)
Tristan Thompson (29)

Restricted Free Agents

Point Guards

Jevon Carter (25)
Kris Dunn (26)
De’Anthony Melton (22)
Dejounte Murray (24)
Jamal Murray (23)
Ben Simmons (24)


Shooting Guards

Malik Beasley (24)
Antonio Blakeney (24)
Jaylen Brown (24)
Buddy Hield (27)
Denzel Valentine (27)


Small Forwards

DeAndre’ Bembry (26)
Bogdan Bogdanovic (28)
Torrey Craig (30)
Brandon Ingram (23)
Caris LeVert (26)
Cedi Osman (25)
Taurean Prince (26)


Power Forwards

Juan Hernangomez (25)
Skal Labissiere (24)
Dario Saric (26)
Pascal Siakam (26)


Centers

Damian Jones (25)
Thon Maker (23)
Jakob Poeltl (25)
Domantas Sabonis (24)


Oof!!! There are no FA's worth picking up. Makes me think maybe we should pick up a role player for the PF and PG spots this offseason (Marcus Morris, Rubio or whatever), if we can get them around the $10mil mark, they may even be moveable next year once teams realize how bad free agency is.

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6/15/2019  1:21 PM
list was compiled Aug 2018. Kinda old man
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6/15/2019  1:45 PM
smackeddog wrote:I'd still like to take a shot at landing Brogden- would fit nicely playing alongside DSJ or RJ, efficient, great shooter, seems to have a big impact on the Bucks winning, even though you wouldn't think it looking at his highlights.

I like Brogden, but his value on the open market is way more than his value to the team at this point. It would THJ all over again.
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6/15/2019  2:23 PM
BigDaddyG wrote:
smackeddog wrote:I'd still like to take a shot at landing Brogden- would fit nicely playing alongside DSJ or RJ, efficient, great shooter, seems to have a big impact on the Bucks winning, even though you wouldn't think it looking at his highlights.

I like Brogden, but his value on the open market is way more than his value to the team at this point. It would THJ all over again.

Really? I don't watch Brogden a ton but the dude is a 50/40/90 shooter and I thought his D was not bad.

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6/15/2019  3:00 PM
martin wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote:
smackeddog wrote:I'd still like to take a shot at landing Brogden- would fit nicely playing alongside DSJ or RJ, efficient, great shooter, seems to have a big impact on the Bucks winning, even though you wouldn't think it looking at his highlights.

I like Brogden, but his value on the open market is way more than his value to the team at this point. It would THJ all over again.

Really? I don't watch Brogden a ton but the dude is a 50/40/90 shooter and I thought his D was not bad.

Brogden is like the anti-THJ. Makes smart decisions, takes good shots and plays solid defense. My point his value to our team falls short to his value in the open market. He makes sense on a contender that has a system and a player capable of consistently creating offense. His deficiencies would pop out immediately here. He can't create for himself consistently, not a high level athlete etc. Brogden is type of role player you sign to bolster a roster that's close to competing. But we have soooo many holes.

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6/15/2019  11:02 PM
We're signing Knox?!? He looks ripped! We need a player like that!
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6/16/2019  6:42 PM
Not surprising, if its true. Who would take on his contract though? Dont say Knicks lol.


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6/17/2019  4:33 AM
Is Randle really much different than Kanter? (genuine question, haven't watched him play)
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6/17/2019  6:30 AM
smackeddog wrote:Is Randle really much different than Kanter? (genuine question, haven't watched him play)

He tries to defend more, and has improved his 3 pt shot to the point it’s not bad...... just unreliable. He’s not significantly better than Kanter. Though he would be able to play PF better and should not be an outright liability if a team went small.

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6/17/2019  11:22 AM
wargames wrote:
smackeddog wrote:Is Randle really much different than Kanter? (genuine question, haven't watched him play)

He tries to defend more, and has improved his 3 pt shot to the point it’s not bad...... just unreliable. He’s not significantly better than Kanter. Though he would be able to play PF better and should not be an outright liability if a team went small.

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6/17/2019  11:48 AM
smackeddog wrote:Is Randle really much different than Kanter? (genuine question, haven't watched him play)

Their games are much different...

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6/17/2019  12:00 PM    LAST EDITED: 6/17/2019  12:09 PM
With the Warriors being dethroned for next year, Rockets picked the wrong time to implode:

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/26987545/there-too-much-damn-turmoil-unsettling-vibe-surrounds-rockets

Tilman Fertitta has grumbled about the contract of Chris Paul, according to sources that spoke with ESPN's Tim MacMahon.

Fertitta has expressed regret over Paul's four-year, $160 million max contract to staffers of the Rockets and even in front of rival executives.

The Rockets have reportedly explored the possibility of trading Paul this offseason.

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/254251/Tilman-Fertitta-Has-Expressed-Regret-Over-Chris-Pauls-New-Contract

Between contract talks with Mike D'Antoni and the possibility of a major trade, the Houston Rockets are undergoing a tumultuous offseason.

"There's too much damn turmoil," a high-ranking Rockets official told ESPN's Tim MacMahon. "There's some hard feelings right now everywhere."

There have also been reports of tension between James Harden and Chris Paul.

"Chris wants to coach James," a source familiar with the stars' dynamic said. "James looks at him like, 'You can't even beat your man. Just shut up and watch me.'"

Paul pushed for more plays and sets in the Houston offense.

"It's always a little contentious when you have two alpha dogs," a team source told ESPN. "Ask the Golden State Warriors if they've ever had problems between their stars.

"There is contention there, but they know they're tied at the hip, and they want to win. They're smart. They won't let it affect the team. ... That is not the reason Golden State beat us."

Paul cherishes the opportunities he gets to play without Harden on the floor and would sometimes bark at D'Antoni to keep Harden on the bench while running the second unit. Harden would lobby or demand to check back into the game.

Harden typically tends to avoid conflict but snapped back at Paul during the Rockets' Game 6 elimination loss.

"Chris has a personality where he just doesn't let anything go," a team source said. "He just keeps pestering and pestering and pestering and pestering. Sometimes James has had enough -- and not just him. That's what makes [Paul] a winner and also what keeps him from being a big-time winner. He's got to temper that."

Daryl Morey is more concerned with results than relationships.

"I feel like we have one of the best duos in the league," Morey told ESPN. "They're both first-ballot Hall of Famers. Both years, we were very close to knocking off what I consider to be the best team in the league, and we feel great about them going forward."

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/254250/Rockets-Have-Hard-Feelings-Right-Now-Everywhere


CP3 better kiss and make up, because I read the Cavs might be interested in taking him

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6/17/2019  4:13 PM
martin wrote:

Do they have enough for kyrie and kd now? They were just short by a few mil before, but I can’t remember the exact figure

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