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smackeddog
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6/13/2019 11:53 AM
ekstarks94 wrote:Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL: It's an awful move, I remember going through this s*** with Antonio McDyesse- always waiting, always deluding myself that he was going to come back okay. However if you must convince yourself this is a great idea, think of it this way: It allows us to stink another year and hopefully land another high pick in next years draft. Furthermore 2020 is a terrible free agent class, so you don't really need any cap space that year as there's literally no one worth signing- it's complete trash. So really KD's salary only becomes a problem in year 3 and 4, by which point it's either sink or swim- either our young guys have started developing and showing their worth, or we're a trash team and are continuing to land high picks in the draft. |
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smackeddog
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6/13/2019 12:28 PM
Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL: Free agency is pretty much over before it began. So looking very likely: Kemba: Hornets |
Chandler
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6/13/2019 12:35 PM
smackeddog wrote:ekstarks94 wrote:Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL: I agree with this. RIsk reward is way out of whack (5)(5)
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ekstarks94
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6/13/2019 12:50 PM
Chandler wrote:smackeddog wrote:ekstarks94 wrote:Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL: I hear everything you are saying...but who is coming out as FA the next 5 years....majority of players do not make it to "true" free agency for 9-10 years after being drafted.... We can build with the kids and roll the dice on KD. With McDyess all we had was him and no real promising youth... If you save up your chips who are you targeting in the next 5 years...are you overpaying...poison pilling another teams player on a rookie deal...alah Tim Hardaway.... I am not saying this a signular move...but a calculated risk.....any other players aside from KD and Kawhi...I would not do it...for them I would conisder |
smackeddog
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6/13/2019 1:07 PM LAST EDITED: 6/13/2019 1:09 PM
ekstarks94 wrote:Chandler wrote:smackeddog wrote:ekstarks94 wrote:Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL: I'm ready to give up on the world of max free agency. Under this CBA you use free agency to add role players, you use the draft to add franchise changing talent. You use cap space to take on contracts for picks to help you draft role players and good supporting players. You can also use this cap space/ role players and picks to trade for superstars when they become available. This years free agency was a once in a blue moon/exception free agency, where so many stars were on the move and it looked like some of them wanted to come to NY. Of course we were right to take a chance on that, but it's very rare (2010 was the last one), so shouldn't be our strategy going forward. Signing KD would be a mistake, but at the end of the day I agree that we're not landing any max free agents, so it's not the end of the world. Priority going forward is draft picks and lottery position and player development- that's what will determine our future. |
ekstarks94
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6/13/2019 1:14 PM
smackeddog wrote:ekstarks94 wrote:Chandler wrote:smackeddog wrote:ekstarks94 wrote:Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL: I hear you saying rolling with the draft....but that is literally playing the lottery again...after you have won the lottery....not everyone pans out...look at Philly...not now...6 years ago....I personally cannot stomach 4 seasons of 17 wins choosing lottery talent and seasoning them...particularly with these lottery odds... All I am saying is why you cannot do both? KD and youth.... If we could get Kawhi I would say him...but he is not coming here... |
GustavBahler
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6/13/2019 6:08 PM
https://www.yahoo.com/news/hornets-walker-willing-sign-below-181117452.html
Charlotte Hornets point guard Kemba Walker said Thursday that to stay with the team long term, he is willing to sign for less than the supermax contract terms he earned by being on an All-NBA team in 2019. |
GustavBahler
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6/13/2019 8:20 PM
https://www.latimes.com/sports/lakers/la-sp-lakers-anthony-davis-kyle-kuzma-20190612-story.html
The Pelicans are interested in three of the Lakers’ young players — whether that’s Kuzma, Lonzo Ball, Brandon Ingramor Josh Hart — and the No. 4 draft pick in order to acquire Davis, according to people familiar with the trade discussions who were not authorized to speak publicly. It’s possible New Orleans could use the No. 4 pick to acquire a player from a third team. |
stanleybostitch
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6/13/2019 8:41 PM LAST EDITED: 6/14/2019 2:43 PM
GustavBahler wrote:https://www.latimes.com/sports/lakers/la-sp-lakers-anthony-davis-kyle-kuzma-20190612-story.htmlThe Pelicans are interested in three of the Lakers’ young players — whether that’s Kuzma, Lonzo Ball, Brandon Ingramor Josh Hart — and the No. 4 draft pick in order to acquire Davis, according to people familiar with the trade discussions who were not authorized to speak publicly. It’s possible New Orleans could use the No. 4 pick to acquire a player from a third team. Anyone give thought on whether, if the Pels pull off the above, they would then send us the No 4 pick and one of those three players for the #3 pick if they are convinced Zion+Barrett is the key? And would you do that? If we could get Kuzma or Ingram + Garland or Hunter, well that wouldn't suck. The new new core: Randle, RJ, IQ. Maybe Mitch. Future pick. Future trade. Future FA.
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GustavBahler
Posts: 41138 Alba Posts: 15 Joined: 7/12/2010 Member: #3186 |
6/13/2019 9:08 PM
stanleybostitch wrote:GustavBahler wrote:https://www.latimes.com/sports/lakers/la-sp-lakers-anthony-davis-kyle-kuzma-20190612-story.htmlThe Pelicans are interested in three of the Lakers’ young players — whether that’s Kuzma, Lonzo Ball, Brandon Ingramor Josh Hart — and the No. 4 draft pick in order to acquire Davis, according to people familiar with the trade discussions who were not authorized to speak publicly. It’s possible New Orleans could use the No. 4 pick to acquire a player from a third team. Id rather draft Barrett.But if they did that, would want Ball to go to NY. Hi BBall, IQ, believe Ball is going to do well his next stop. |
Uptown
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6/13/2019 11:41 PM
GustavBahler wrote:stanleybostitch wrote:GustavBahler wrote:https://www.latimes.com/sports/lakers/la-sp-lakers-anthony-davis-kyle-kuzma-20190612-story.htmlThe Pelicans are interested in three of the Lakers’ young players — whether that’s Kuzma, Lonzo Ball, Brandon Ingramor Josh Hart — and the No. 4 draft pick in order to acquire Davis, according to people familiar with the trade discussions who were not authorized to speak publicly. It’s possible New Orleans could use the No. 4 pick to acquire a player from a third team. Lakers trying to move 4 for a player, preferably an all star or a rising all star....no way can we get involved in that trade nor do I want to. Just draft RJ...this yrs draft is a finger roll. |
fwk00
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6/14/2019 10:17 PM
smackeddog wrote:ekstarks94 wrote:Chandler wrote:smackeddog wrote:ekstarks94 wrote:Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL: ..."give up on the world of max free agency. Under this CBA you use free agency to add role players,..." Yes. This is the new talent management pattern that's been established by all of the fiscal and procedural farces currently in play. I would also suggest that, in addition to role players, that teams fish for heretofore unrealized talent. Players entering their fourth or fifth year who still show desire just might turn a corner for you. The bonus is that these kinds of contracts don't require huge cap space reserves nor long term contracts. ..."you use the draft to add franchise changing talent..." Let's refine this a bit as well. No need to tank until and unless an inevitably bad ending is imminent because it guarantees very little. Now if your actual pick lands in the cradle of franchise changing talent by all means mine that talent. If your pick falls outside that range - triangulate to the best talent available and this includes potential trades. ..."You use cap space to take on contracts for picks to help you draft role players and good supporting players. You can also use this cap space/ role players and picks to trade for superstars when they become available...." Pretty much spot on.
There's lots of cap space to absorb a useful contract. Memphis's draft night decision will be interesting. LA could very well persuade them to take Barrett and trade him to NO for LA's pick and a sweetner. Regardless, Morant or Barrett are worth holding on to for a season or two.
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