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Are Durant+ AD+ Jrue Holiday + $12 million a Title Favorite?
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5/17/2019  12:53 AM    LAST EDITED: 5/17/2019  1:01 AM
I think it is a more tantalizing proposition than signing Kyrie Irving (at the expense of Holiday and the $12 million cap space) and I'd be willing to gut my asset base for it. Presuming we retain Damyean Dotson to add to that trio, what more would it take to be a title favorite?

Note: We'd also have a $4.4 mid-level exception after we used our cap space and a lower level exception. If we re-sign Alonzo Trier, Luke Kornet and Kadeem Allen to minimum-type deals to help flesh out the roster, presume that the money would be spent on 8 roster spots. Who do you pursue?

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5/17/2019  1:06 AM
Personally, I'd take real runs at George Hill and/or Patrick Beverly to pair with Jrue Holiday in the backcourt. I think their ability to move without the ball and space would be invaluable in the offense; while still being able to provide good perimeter defense.

I'd also be making a serious push for Jordan Bell and Rodney McGruder who I think could be solid rotation players.

I'd take a flier on Justin Patton as well, who I still think could be a starter in this league at the 5 if he ever got healthy.

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5/17/2019  7:23 AM
NardDogNation wrote:I think it is a more tantalizing proposition than signing Kyrie Irving (at the expense of Holiday and the $12 million cap space) and I'd be willing to gut my asset base for it. Presuming we retain Damyean Dotson to add to that trio, what more would it take to be a title favorite?

Note: We'd also have a $4.4 mid-level exception after we used our cap space and a lower level exception. If we re-sign Alonzo Trier, Luke Kornet and Kadeem Allen to minimum-type deals to help flesh out the roster, presume that the money would be spent on 8 roster spots. Who do you pursue?


I agree, the reason I don't want AD is because I don't want a 3 man team. What you propose allows us to build a solid starting 5. Bench will be awful but some of that will be mitigated the following season and at buyout time.
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5/17/2019  10:13 AM
Jmpasq wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:I think it is a more tantalizing proposition than signing Kyrie Irving (at the expense of Holiday and the $12 million cap space) and I'd be willing to gut my asset base for it. Presuming we retain Damyean Dotson to add to that trio, what more would it take to be a title favorite?

Note: We'd also have a $4.4 mid-level exception after we used our cap space and a lower level exception. If we re-sign Alonzo Trier, Luke Kornet and Kadeem Allen to minimum-type deals to help flesh out the roster, presume that the money would be spent on 8 roster spots. Who do you pursue?


I agree, the reason I don't want AD is because I don't want a 3 man team. What you propose allows us to build a solid starting 5. Bench will be awful but some of that will be mitigated the following season and at buyout time.

it sort of depends if we can sign the the equivalent of Baron Davis, Marcus Camby, Rasheed Wallace, Jason Kidd on minimum type deals

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5/17/2019  3:50 PM    LAST EDITED: 5/17/2019  3:55 PM
Jmpasq wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:I think it is a more tantalizing proposition than signing Kyrie Irving (at the expense of Holiday and the $12 million cap space) and I'd be willing to gut my asset base for it. Presuming we retain Damyean Dotson to add to that trio, what more would it take to be a title favorite?

Note: We'd also have a $4.4 mid-level exception after we used our cap space and a lower level exception. If we re-sign Alonzo Trier, Luke Kornet and Kadeem Allen to minimum-type deals to help flesh out the roster, presume that the money would be spent on 8 roster spots. Who do you pursue?


I agree, the reason I don't want AD is because I don't want a 3 man team. What you propose allows us to build a solid starting 5. Bench will be awful but some of that will be mitigated the following season and at buyout time.

I actually think $12 million and that $4.4 million exception could go a long way toward filling out the remaining 4 rotation spots. Just look at the Bucks and Clippers with the inexpensive additions they've made this past offseason. There are a phletora of veterans due to hit free agency that could come cheap; I named a few in my last post. We could also add the following to the list: Avery Bradley, Jmychael Green, Garrett Temple, Vince Carter, Jeff Green, Jared Dudley and Kyle O'Quinn.

But yeah, I think signing Kyrie would kill this franchise financially and on the court. I've thought he's a cancer for some time now and I think that the effect would be muliplied next to someone as mentally weak as Kevin Durant. Let him go sign with the Lakers or go kick rocks elsewhere.

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5/18/2019  5:10 PM    LAST EDITED: 5/18/2019  5:14 PM
We would absolutely need at least two and maybe three 3-D type players. If we don't have knock down shooters and defenders then we'll be good but not good enough to beat teams like GSW and Houston and some others that do have those great shooters. We would also have to bring D.Jordan back to be our starting center since we wouldn't have a starting center after trading M.Robinson for A.Davis. Some will probably say to start A.Davis at center which he obviously could do but he's better at PF and he likes playing PF more then center. We could use a chunk of that money on D.Cousins but not sure how much he'd be looking for and i'm sure GSW will be all over trying to bring him back and that's a hard team for players to leave, but he did enjoy his time playing with A.Davis in NO and maybe KD could get him to follow him to NY.

Center
D.Cousins
D.Jordan
E.Kanter--that's right i said E.Kanter and i'm serious. You put him with other great players and he's a very useful player.
B.Lopez--he'll probably stay with the Bucks.

SG's/SF's
Danny Green
Rodney Hood
Mario Hezonja
Wes Mathews
Iman Shumpert
Wayne Ellington
Reggie Bullock
Seth Curry

Lets not forget that many people think Jrue Holiday would be better at SG then PG so we could always move him to SG and sign a PG.

PG
R.Rubio
T.Rozier
P.Beverley
Rajon Rondo


PG--R.Rubio
SG--J.Holiday
SF--K.Durant
PF--A.Davis
C---D.Cousins or D.Jordan


PG--J.Holiday
SG--D.Green
SF--K.Durant
PF--A.Davis
C--D.Cousins or D.Jordan

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5/18/2019  6:30 PM
NardDogNation wrote:I think it is a more tantalizing proposition than signing Kyrie Irving (at the expense of Holiday and the $12 million cap space) and I'd be willing to gut my asset base for it. Presuming we retain Damyean Dotson to add to that trio, what more would it take to be a title favorite?

Note: We'd also have a $4.4 mid-level exception after we used our cap space and a lower level exception. If we re-sign Alonzo Trier, Luke Kornet and Kadeem Allen to minimum-type deals to help flesh out the roster, presume that the money would be spent on 8 roster spots. Who do you pursue?

We would need to send back 80^% of 55 million back in salary to make this work? Do we have that?

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5/20/2019  1:38 PM
There is a story on the front page about Durant and the Knicks having all but inked a deal, complete with endorsements in place. For the sake of argument, lets say that this story is accurate. Forget about the calf injury.

If its true, the question I would like answered was wether a team without Kyrie was a non-starter? Have a hard time believing that to be the case, if negotiations are really at this stage. Not right on the heels of what happened in Boston. No it wasnt all Irving's fault, still was enough of a reason at PG to pass.

If this story is accurate, Im guessing Perry/Mills sold KD on the idea that if he signs, more will follow. At least thats what Im hoping for. Dont see KD flushing this deal for a player who has some of the same on court qualities as Westbrook. Friends are one thing, teammates are another.

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Kadeem is already under contract for next year. His two way deal is for two years.
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GustavBahler wrote:There is a story on the front page about Durant and the Knicks having all but inked a deal, complete with endorsements in place. For the sake of argument, lets say that this story is accurate. Forget about the calf injury.

If its true, the question I would like answered was wether a team without Kyrie was a non-starter? Have a hard time believing that to be the case, if negotiations are really at this stage. Not right on the heels of what happened in Boston. No it wasnt all Irving's fault, still was enough of a reason at PG to pass.

If this story is accurate, Im guessing Perry/Mills sold KD on the idea that if he signs, more will follow. At least thats what Im hoping for. Dont see KD flushing this deal for a player who has some of the same on court qualities as Westbrook. Friends are one thing, teammates are another.

What exactly happened in Boston? Do we know this is all on KI shoulders?
Are we talking the regular season? THe playoffs? Both?

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GustavBahler wrote:There is a story on the front page about Durant and the Knicks having all but inked a deal, complete with endorsements in place. For the sake of argument, lets say that this story is accurate. Forget about the calf injury.

If its true, the question I would like answered was wether a team without Kyrie was a non-starter? Have a hard time believing that to be the case, if negotiations are really at this stage. Not right on the heels of what happened in Boston. No it wasnt all Irving's fault, still was enough of a reason at PG to pass.

If this story is accurate, Im guessing Perry/Mills sold KD on the idea that if he signs, more will follow. At least thats what Im hoping for. Dont see KD flushing this deal for a player who has some of the same on court qualities as Westbrook. Friends are one thing, teammates are another.


How some fans can think that KD himself and his team of advisers and agents do not understand the implications of the roster and other FA coming to NY? Of course it is not about bringing some bodies to hang around. Irving may have desire to come to NY or may not. And NY FO and KD reps may like it or not. There are so many other possibilities. If KD will decide to sign in NY it will not be conditional on KI joining him as this is not a best option available.
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5/21/2019  11:10 AM
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NardDogNation wrote:I think it is a more tantalizing proposition than signing Kyrie Irving (at the expense of Holiday and the $12 million cap space) and I'd be willing to gut my asset base for it. Presuming we retain Damyean Dotson to add to that trio, what more would it take to be a title favorite?

Note: We'd also have a $4.4 mid-level exception after we used our cap space and a lower level exception. If we re-sign Alonzo Trier, Luke Kornet and Kadeem Allen to minimum-type deals to help flesh out the roster, presume that the money would be spent on 8 roster spots. Who do you pursue?

We would need to send back 80^% of 55 million back in salary to make this work? Do we have that?

No we wouldn't. We have cap space and are not subject to trade stipulations that require we be within 25% of incoming/outgoing salary. We do have incentive to dump existing contracts, however. It would allow us to get another max-caliber play baller and another $12 million or so in cap space to build a supporting cast.

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5/21/2019  11:25 AM    LAST EDITED: 5/21/2019  11:31 AM
newyorker4ever wrote:We would absolutely need at least two and maybe three 3-D type players. If we don't have knock down shooters and defenders then we'll be good but not good enough to beat teams like GSW and Houston and some others that do have those great shooters. We would also have to bring D.Jordan back to be our starting center since we wouldn't have a starting center after trading M.Robinson for A.Davis. Some will probably say to start A.Davis at center which he obviously could do but he's better at PF and he likes playing PF more then center. We could use a chunk of that money on D.Cousins but not sure how much he'd be looking for and i'm sure GSW will be all over trying to bring him back and that's a hard team for players to leave, but he did enjoy his time playing with A.Davis in NO and maybe KD could get him to follow him to NY.

Center
D.Cousins
D.Jordan
E.Kanter--that's right i said E.Kanter and i'm serious. You put him with other great players and he's a very useful player.
B.Lopez--he'll probably stay with the Bucks.

SG's/SF's
Danny Green
Rodney Hood
Mario Hezonja
Wes Mathews
Iman Shumpert
Wayne Ellington
Reggie Bullock
Seth Curry

Lets not forget that many people think Jrue Holiday would be better at SG then PG so we could always move him to SG and sign a PG.

PG
R.Rubio
T.Rozier
P.Beverley
Rajon Rondo


PG--R.Rubio
SG--J.Holiday
SF--K.Durant
PF--A.Davis
C---D.Cousins or D.Jordan


PG--J.Holiday
SG--D.Green
SF--K.Durant
PF--A.Davis
C--D.Cousins or D.Jordan

That's a pretty impressive collection of role players who- aside from maybe Danny Green and Terry Rozier- won't break the bank. I also agree with your point about the need for a 5 man to help protect Davis during the regular season. I think DeAndre Jordan is an ideal candidate, provided the other 4 players on the floor are spacers; I also can't see him making more than 8-figures given the glut of centers on the market and the de-emphasis in the modern NBA, which is ideal.

If Jordan were to make about $6-7 million, hypothetically, how would you spend the remaining $5-$6 million? I think we'd obviously have to target Quinn Cook, who is rumored to be a close associate of Durant's dating back to their Baltimore days. He's definitely no starter but could be useful bench player with a starting co-guard like Holiday. Could we get him for the lower-level exception ($2.3 million)?

Speaking of Holiday, I'd prefer him as my 2 guard in any/every permutation. His best years as a ball player have come manning the position so I see no need to change what works. That puts some emphasis on finding a very specific point-guard that plays off the ball, is an excellent shooter and can defend either position as a starter. The list that fits that M.O. is very short and I only see Patrick Beverly and George Hill doing so. How much would they sign for? Would that remaining $5-$6 million of cap space be enough? It leaves no money for another forward but considering how talented our core would be, I think it's forgivable. Maybe Damyean Dotson might be all we'd need until we find someone with more length to contain bigger guys like LeBron, Kawhi, George, etc.

STARTERS
G: George Hill/Patrick Beverly
G: Jrue Holiday
F: Kevin Durant
F: Anthony Davis
C: DeAndre Jordan
ROTATION
G: Quinn Cook
G: Alonzo Trier (minimum)
F: Damyean Dotson?
F: Jared Dudley (minimum)
C: Ekpe Udoh/ Luke Kornet (minimum)

How does that do?

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5/21/2019  11:34 AM
CrushAlot wrote:Kadeem is already under contract for next year. His two way deal is for two years.

Good point. I liked what I saw out of him and wish we could keep him in the fold, especially with his contract being so cheap. But if we don't get Irving, I suspect it puts even more pressure on us to sign Quinn Cook and Alonzo Trier, who have heen rumored to be "Dursnt guys". If that's the case, who among that trio should get backup guard minutes? I don't think any of the 3 can be useful starters, so there would be a squeeze for minutes.

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5/21/2019  11:38 AM    LAST EDITED: 5/21/2019  3:51 PM
I also should have asked this before but: what would it take to get both AD and Holiday in the first place?

Personally, I'd start by flipping Frank Ntilikina to the Jazz for a first and Raul Neto; then re-route them to the Pelicans with the 3rd pick, DSJr, Mitchell Robinson, Kevin Knox, Lance Thomas (non-guaranteed), cash incentives and two of the four picks we have in 2021 and 2023. Is that enough?

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5/21/2019  3:50 PM
GustavBahler wrote:There is a story on the front page about Durant and the Knicks having all but inked a deal, complete with endorsements in place. For the sake of argument, lets say that this story is accurate. Forget about the calf injury.

If its true, the question I would like answered was wether a team without Kyrie was a non-starter? Have a hard time believing that to be the case, if negotiations are really at this stage. Not right on the heels of what happened in Boston. No it wasnt all Irving's fault, still was enough of a reason at PG to pass.

If this story is accurate, Im guessing Perry/Mills sold KD on the idea that if he signs, more will follow. At least thats what Im hoping for. Dont see KD flushing this deal for a player who has some of the same on court qualities as Westbrook. Friends are one thing, teammates are another.


Very interesting points. This is complete speculation on my part but....

I don't think Durant comes here by himself. Kyrie is low-hanging fruit as a friend and impending free agent but I suspect that neither are wedded to each other if more compelling alternatives become apparent. Irving- in particular- seems to be fatally self-absorbed and I could see him having the same issues he had with LeBron with KD. More than anything, I think he wants the bright lights and the opportunity to be "the man", which I don't see happening with KD on his team. I think he's far more likely to go to the Lakers because he'll have the lust of the "shiny new thing" as their signature free agent signing and because he'd have a pathway to becoming "the man", with LeBron aging and no other heir apparent on the team.

Whatever the case, I want no part of Kyrie Irving at max. He's the pretty but dumb, ratchet chick at the bar.

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5/21/2019  6:51 PM    LAST EDITED: 5/21/2019  7:04 PM
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newyorker4ever wrote:We would absolutely need at least two and maybe three 3-D type players. If we don't have knock down shooters and defenders then we'll be good but not good enough to beat teams like GSW and Houston and some others that do have those great shooters. We would also have to bring D.Jordan back to be our starting center since we wouldn't have a starting center after trading M.Robinson for A.Davis. Some will probably say to start A.Davis at center which he obviously could do but he's better at PF and he likes playing PF more then center. We could use a chunk of that money on D.Cousins but not sure how much he'd be looking for and i'm sure GSW will be all over trying to bring him back and that's a hard team for players to leave, but he did enjoy his time playing with A.Davis in NO and maybe KD could get him to follow him to NY.

Center
D.Cousins
D.Jordan
E.Kanter--that's right i said E.Kanter and i'm serious. You put him with other great players and he's a very useful player.
B.Lopez--he'll probably stay with the Bucks.

SG's/SF's
Danny Green
Rodney Hood
Mario Hezonja
Wes Mathews
Iman Shumpert
Wayne Ellington
Reggie Bullock
Seth Curry

Lets not forget that many people think Jrue Holiday would be better at SG then PG so we could always move him to SG and sign a PG.

PG
R.Rubio
T.Rozier
P.Beverley
Rajon Rondo


PG--R.Rubio
SG--J.Holiday
SF--K.Durant
PF--A.Davis
C---D.Cousins or D.Jordan


PG--J.Holiday
SG--D.Green
SF--K.Durant
PF--A.Davis
C--D.Cousins or D.Jordan

That's a pretty impressive collection of role players who- aside from maybe Danny Green and Terry Rozier- won't break the bank. I also agree with your point about the need for a 5 man to help protect Davis during the regular season. I think DeAndre Jordan is an ideal candidate, provided the other 4 players on the floor are spacers; I also can't see him making more than 8-figures given the glut of centers on the market and the de-emphasis in the modern NBA, which is ideal.

If Jordan were to make about $6-7 million, hypothetically, how would you spend the remaining $5-$6 million? I think we'd obviously have to target Quinn Cook, who is rumored to be a close associate of Durant's dating back to their Baltimore days. He's definitely no starter but could be useful bench player with a starting co-guard like Holiday. Could we get him for the lower-level exception ($2.3 million)?

Speaking of Holiday, I'd prefer him as my 2 guard in any/every permutation. His best years as a ball player have come manning the position so I see no need to change what works. That puts some emphasis on finding a very specific point-guard that plays off the ball, is an excellent shooter and can defend either position as a starter. The list that fits that M.O. is very short and I only see Patrick Beverly and George Hill doing so. How much would they sign for? Would that remaining $5-$6 million of cap space be enough? It leaves no money for another forward but considering how talented our core would be, I think it's forgivable. Maybe Damyean Dotson might be all we'd need until we find someone with more length to contain bigger guys like LeBron, Kawhi, George, etc.

STARTERS
G: George Hill/Patrick Beverly
G: Jrue Holiday
F: Kevin Durant
F: Anthony Davis
C: DeAndre Jordan
ROTATION
G: Quinn Cook
G: Alonzo Trier (minimum)
F: Damyean Dotson?
F: Jared Dudley (minimum)
C: Ekpe Udoh/ Luke Kornet (minimum)

How does that do?


Thats a damn good team. An insane starting lineup.
We would also be the prime location for buyout players at the deadline. There were a ton of solid players out there this year. If we had Durant, and playing time we would get at least 2 of them
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5/22/2019  12:24 AM    LAST EDITED: 5/22/2019  12:29 AM
Jmpasq wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:
newyorker4ever wrote:We would absolutely need at least two and maybe three 3-D type players. If we don't have knock down shooters and defenders then we'll be good but not good enough to beat teams like GSW and Houston and some others that do have those great shooters. We would also have to bring D.Jordan back to be our starting center since we wouldn't have a starting center after trading M.Robinson for A.Davis. Some will probably say to start A.Davis at center which he obviously could do but he's better at PF and he likes playing PF more then center. We could use a chunk of that money on D.Cousins but not sure how much he'd be looking for and i'm sure GSW will be all over trying to bring him back and that's a hard team for players to leave, but he did enjoy his time playing with A.Davis in NO and maybe KD could get him to follow him to NY.

Center
D.Cousins
D.Jordan
E.Kanter--that's right i said E.Kanter and i'm serious. You put him with other great players and he's a very useful player.
B.Lopez--he'll probably stay with the Bucks.

SG's/SF's
Danny Green
Rodney Hood
Mario Hezonja
Wes Mathews
Iman Shumpert
Wayne Ellington
Reggie Bullock
Seth Curry

Lets not forget that many people think Jrue Holiday would be better at SG then PG so we could always move him to SG and sign a PG.

PG
R.Rubio
T.Rozier
P.Beverley
Rajon Rondo


PG--R.Rubio
SG--J.Holiday
SF--K.Durant
PF--A.Davis
C---D.Cousins or D.Jordan


PG--J.Holiday
SG--D.Green
SF--K.Durant
PF--A.Davis
C--D.Cousins or D.Jordan

That's a pretty impressive collection of role players who- aside from maybe Danny Green and Terry Rozier- won't break the bank. I also agree with your point about the need for a 5 man to help protect Davis during the regular season. I think DeAndre Jordan is an ideal candidate, provided the other 4 players on the floor are spacers; I also can't see him making more than 8-figures given the glut of centers on the market and the de-emphasis in the modern NBA, which is ideal.

If Jordan were to make about $6-7 million, hypothetically, how would you spend the remaining $5-$6 million? I think we'd obviously have to target Quinn Cook, who is rumored to be a close associate of Durant's dating back to their Baltimore days. He's definitely no starter but could be useful bench player with a starting co-guard like Holiday. Could we get him for the lower-level exception ($2.3 million)?

Speaking of Holiday, I'd prefer him as my 2 guard in any/every permutation. His best years as a ball player have come manning the position so I see no need to change what works. That puts some emphasis on finding a very specific point-guard that plays off the ball, is an excellent shooter and can defend either position as a starter. The list that fits that M.O. is very short and I only see Patrick Beverly and George Hill doing so. How much would they sign for? Would that remaining $5-$6 million of cap space be enough? It leaves no money for another forward but considering how talented our core would be, I think it's forgivable. Maybe Damyean Dotson might be all we'd need until we find someone with more length to contain bigger guys like LeBron, Kawhi, George, etc.

STARTERS
G: George Hill/Patrick Beverly
G: Jrue Holiday
F: Kevin Durant
F: Anthony Davis
C: DeAndre Jordan
ROTATION
G: Quinn Cook
G: Alonzo Trier (minimum)
F: Damyean Dotson?
F: Jared Dudley (minimum)
C: Ekpe Udoh/ Luke Kornet (minimum)

How does that do?


Thats a damn good team. An insane starting lineup.
We would also be the prime location for buyout players at the deadline. There were a ton of solid players out there this year. If we had Durant, and playing time we would get at least 2 of them

Let's hope it becomes a reality! I just hope the Knicks don't go for the low hanging fruit (Kyrie) and get more creative with their cap space. Unfortunately, I'm skeptical of Mills/Perry's decision making. I still don't understand how/why Trier wasn't locked into a multi-year, minimum contract after the draft. It's not like Trier had any leverage and it wasn't like that type of deal would hinder our ability to sign free agents. That Joakim Noah situation was also an indicator of how short-sighted their management team is as well. Why they felt the need to get rid of him when they did is beyond me but we certainly could use the $6.3 million his stretched contract costs.

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5/22/2019  8:26 AM    LAST EDITED: 5/22/2019  8:27 AM
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Jmpasq wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:
newyorker4ever wrote:We would absolutely need at least two and maybe three 3-D type players. If we don't have knock down shooters and defenders then we'll be good but not good enough to beat teams like GSW and Houston and some others that do have those great shooters. We would also have to bring D.Jordan back to be our starting center since we wouldn't have a starting center after trading M.Robinson for A.Davis. Some will probably say to start A.Davis at center which he obviously could do but he's better at PF and he likes playing PF more then center. We could use a chunk of that money on D.Cousins but not sure how much he'd be looking for and i'm sure GSW will be all over trying to bring him back and that's a hard team for players to leave, but he did enjoy his time playing with A.Davis in NO and maybe KD could get him to follow him to NY.

Center
D.Cousins
D.Jordan
E.Kanter--that's right i said E.Kanter and i'm serious. You put him with other great players and he's a very useful player.
B.Lopez--he'll probably stay with the Bucks.

SG's/SF's
Danny Green
Rodney Hood
Mario Hezonja
Wes Mathews
Iman Shumpert
Wayne Ellington
Reggie Bullock
Seth Curry

Lets not forget that many people think Jrue Holiday would be better at SG then PG so we could always move him to SG and sign a PG.

PG
R.Rubio
T.Rozier
P.Beverley
Rajon Rondo


PG--R.Rubio
SG--J.Holiday
SF--K.Durant
PF--A.Davis
C---D.Cousins or D.Jordan


PG--J.Holiday
SG--D.Green
SF--K.Durant
PF--A.Davis
C--D.Cousins or D.Jordan

That's a pretty impressive collection of role players who- aside from maybe Danny Green and Terry Rozier- won't break the bank. I also agree with your point about the need for a 5 man to help protect Davis during the regular season. I think DeAndre Jordan is an ideal candidate, provided the other 4 players on the floor are spacers; I also can't see him making more than 8-figures given the glut of centers on the market and the de-emphasis in the modern NBA, which is ideal.

If Jordan were to make about $6-7 million, hypothetically, how would you spend the remaining $5-$6 million? I think we'd obviously have to target Quinn Cook, who is rumored to be a close associate of Durant's dating back to their Baltimore days. He's definitely no starter but could be useful bench player with a starting co-guard like Holiday. Could we get him for the lower-level exception ($2.3 million)?

Speaking of Holiday, I'd prefer him as my 2 guard in any/every permutation. His best years as a ball player have come manning the position so I see no need to change what works. That puts some emphasis on finding a very specific point-guard that plays off the ball, is an excellent shooter and can defend either position as a starter. The list that fits that M.O. is very short and I only see Patrick Beverly and George Hill doing so. How much would they sign for? Would that remaining $5-$6 million of cap space be enough? It leaves no money for another forward but considering how talented our core would be, I think it's forgivable. Maybe Damyean Dotson might be all we'd need until we find someone with more length to contain bigger guys like LeBron, Kawhi, George, etc.

STARTERS
G: George Hill/Patrick Beverly
G: Jrue Holiday
F: Kevin Durant
F: Anthony Davis
C: DeAndre Jordan
ROTATION
G: Quinn Cook
G: Alonzo Trier (minimum)
F: Damyean Dotson?
F: Jared Dudley (minimum)
C: Ekpe Udoh/ Luke Kornet (minimum)

How does that do?


Thats a damn good team. An insane starting lineup.
We would also be the prime location for buyout players at the deadline. There were a ton of solid players out there this year. If we had Durant, and playing time we would get at least 2 of them

Let's hope it becomes a reality! I just hope the Knicks don't go for the low hanging fruit (Kyrie) and get more creative with their cap space. Unfortunately, I'm skeptical of Mills/Perry's decision making. I still don't understand how/why Trier wasn't locked into a multi-year, minimum contract after the draft. It's not like Trier had any leverage and it wasn't like that type of deal would hinder our ability to sign free agents. That Joakim Noah situation was also an indicator of how short-sighted their management team is as well. Why they felt the need to get rid of him when they did is beyond me but we certainly could use the $6.3 million his stretched contract costs.

Of course this all speculation, but KD and Kyrie could possibly be a package deal...If that's the case, aint much room to be creative. Mills/Perry can't get too cute and mess around and blow an opportunity to sign the best player in the game at the moment. If KD will only come if we sign Kyrie, then we sign Kyrie. It's that simple.

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5/23/2019  7:26 AM
NardDogNation wrote:
Jmpasq wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:
newyorker4ever wrote:We would absolutely need at least two and maybe three 3-D type players. If we don't have knock down shooters and defenders then we'll be good but not good enough to beat teams like GSW and Houston and some others that do have those great shooters. We would also have to bring D.Jordan back to be our starting center since we wouldn't have a starting center after trading M.Robinson for A.Davis. Some will probably say to start A.Davis at center which he obviously could do but he's better at PF and he likes playing PF more then center. We could use a chunk of that money on D.Cousins but not sure how much he'd be looking for and i'm sure GSW will be all over trying to bring him back and that's a hard team for players to leave, but he did enjoy his time playing with A.Davis in NO and maybe KD could get him to follow him to NY.

Center
D.Cousins
D.Jordan
E.Kanter--that's right i said E.Kanter and i'm serious. You put him with other great players and he's a very useful player.
B.Lopez--he'll probably stay with the Bucks.

SG's/SF's
Danny Green
Rodney Hood
Mario Hezonja
Wes Mathews
Iman Shumpert
Wayne Ellington
Reggie Bullock
Seth Curry

Lets not forget that many people think Jrue Holiday would be better at SG then PG so we could always move him to SG and sign a PG.

PG
R.Rubio
T.Rozier
P.Beverley
Rajon Rondo


PG--R.Rubio
SG--J.Holiday
SF--K.Durant
PF--A.Davis
C---D.Cousins or D.Jordan


PG--J.Holiday
SG--D.Green
SF--K.Durant
PF--A.Davis
C--D.Cousins or D.Jordan

That's a pretty impressive collection of role players who- aside from maybe Danny Green and Terry Rozier- won't break the bank. I also agree with your point about the need for a 5 man to help protect Davis during the regular season. I think DeAndre Jordan is an ideal candidate, provided the other 4 players on the floor are spacers; I also can't see him making more than 8-figures given the glut of centers on the market and the de-emphasis in the modern NBA, which is ideal.

If Jordan were to make about $6-7 million, hypothetically, how would you spend the remaining $5-$6 million? I think we'd obviously have to target Quinn Cook, who is rumored to be a close associate of Durant's dating back to their Baltimore days. He's definitely no starter but could be useful bench player with a starting co-guard like Holiday. Could we get him for the lower-level exception ($2.3 million)?

Speaking of Holiday, I'd prefer him as my 2 guard in any/every permutation. His best years as a ball player have come manning the position so I see no need to change what works. That puts some emphasis on finding a very specific point-guard that plays off the ball, is an excellent shooter and can defend either position as a starter. The list that fits that M.O. is very short and I only see Patrick Beverly and George Hill doing so. How much would they sign for? Would that remaining $5-$6 million of cap space be enough? It leaves no money for another forward but considering how talented our core would be, I think it's forgivable. Maybe Damyean Dotson might be all we'd need until we find someone with more length to contain bigger guys like LeBron, Kawhi, George, etc.

STARTERS
G: George Hill/Patrick Beverly
G: Jrue Holiday
F: Kevin Durant
F: Anthony Davis
C: DeAndre Jordan
ROTATION
G: Quinn Cook
G: Alonzo Trier (minimum)
F: Damyean Dotson?
F: Jared Dudley (minimum)
C: Ekpe Udoh/ Luke Kornet (minimum)

How does that do?


Thats a damn good team. An insane starting lineup.
We would also be the prime location for buyout players at the deadline. There were a ton of solid players out there this year. If we had Durant, and playing time we would get at least 2 of them

Let's hope it becomes a reality! I just hope the Knicks don't go for the low hanging fruit (Kyrie) and get more creative with their cap space. Unfortunately, I'm skeptical of Mills/Perry's decision making. I still don't understand how/why Trier wasn't locked into a multi-year, minimum contract after the draft. It's not like Trier had any leverage and it wasn't like that type of deal would hinder our ability to sign free agents. That Joakim Noah situation was also an indicator of how short-sighted their management team is as well. Why they felt the need to get rid of him when they did is beyond me but we certainly could use the $6.3 million his stretched contract costs.


yep maybe Noah would of been in the Mavs deal
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