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Marv
Posts: 35540 Alba Posts: 69 Joined: 9/2/2002 Member: #315 |
5/15/2019 3:20 PM
Sambakick wrote:Marv wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:smackeddog wrote:After a sleep, I’m strangely delighted. Third is where we’d likely have ended up under the old lottery rules. rJ could actually be the best fit for us if we sign KD and Kyrie, as it avoids duplication. he’s not clutch but he won’t be needed to be.he might excel with two great shooters. he’s a good passer too. well i believe in point gods . . . |
Allanfan20
Posts: 35947 Alba Posts: 50 Joined: 1/16/2004 Member: #542 USA |
5/15/2019 3:30 PM
Marv wrote:Sambakick wrote:Marv wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:smackeddog wrote:After a sleep, I’m strangely delighted. Third is where we’d likely have ended up under the old lottery rules. rJ could actually be the best fit for us if we sign KD and Kyrie, as it avoids duplication. he’s not clutch but he won’t be needed to be.he might excel with two great shooters. he’s a good passer too. Or as SAS would say... Point GAWWD “Whenever I’m about to do something, I think ‘Would an idiot do that?’ and if they would, I do NOT do that thing.”- Dwight Schrute
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TripleThreat
Posts: 23106 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 2/24/2012 Member: #3997 |
5/15/2019 9:38 PM
knicks1248 wrote:Allanfan20 wrote:nykshaknbake wrote:knicks1248 wrote:jrodmc wrote:Tanking sucks, doesn't it? How's that third pick project gonna taste while Zion goes bat**** crazy in NO?
There are two main issues to build a contender THE RESOURCE MANAGEMENT SIDE - If you don't get the money right and apply market based principles, you are ****ed. It's that simple. You could have the next coming of Oscar Robertson or George Mikan but if the cap sheet is ****ed up and is choking your flexibility, you can't build a team. This also includes having key players with their BIRD RIGHTS The PERSONNEL MANAGEMENT SIDE - It's literally 95 percent talent. Unlike other sports, key elite players can touch the ball all the time. Mike Trout can only bat so many times a game. Ozzie Smith could only field so many balls hit to him. The great Roger Clemens could only take the mound so often. What you need is to have talent who understand how not to be a total selfish ******* on the court. An elite talent who understands how to push/pull for the greater good of winning ( like Curry) makes leadership and chemistry easy. Makes it easier on the coach. Where the coach matters is getting performance ( milking the best possible result) out of fringe guys. Spolestra making Joel Anthony look somewhat useful is miracle in coaching. Getting something out of Mario Chalmers and subverting Ray Allens aging knees and huge ego are testaments to good coaching. 25 percent talent my ass. If that was the case, every team in the league would offer Coach K the largest contract ever to coach their team. Is the sky on your planet made of ****ing cotton candy? Philly had talent, but they had a lot of *******s who didn't subvert their game to the greater good. To be fair, they are also a bit young as a team. Sometimes I wonder if you just randomly come up with **** that makes no sense after turning on Netflix and going on another Care Bear binge watching marathon or some dumb ass noise like that. LeBron James is one of the dumbest ****ing people on the planet. Tampering. Shit talking and gutting his team mates. Coach killer. Really not a well rounded player. Basically changed the entire system because pwners said this kind of Decision **** can never ever happen again. He was such an *******, they changed the system to make it more anti-*******. Think about that. But he went to Final after Final even as LeGM and ****ing his teams over and over with personnel moves that made no sense. But he was a world class generational talent. If you have enough talent, you can get away with lots of ****. If you are a hot chick who is young and has a hard body and big cans, you can also get away with lots of ****. If you got "Fuck You Money", you can get away with lots of ****. This is a very simple life principle, not just an NBA one. Which Care Bear is your favorite? |
CrushAlot
Posts: 59764 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 7/25/2003 Member: #452 USA |
5/15/2019 10:06 PM
Vmart wrote:Strike one was the draft? Best odds were for the Knicks to get the fifth pick. They got the third. Not sure how that is strike one. Also, who are you speaking about in terms of development and is it a concern since Perry/Fizdale have been in place?jrodmc wrote:Tanking sucks, doesn't it? How's that third pick project gonna taste while Zion goes bat**** crazy in NO? I'm tired,I'm tired, I'm so tired right now......Kristaps Porzingis 1/3/18
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Vmart
Posts: 31800 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 5/23/2002 Member: #247 USA |
5/15/2019 11:24 PM
CrushAlot wrote:Vmart wrote:Strike one was the draft? Best odds were for the Knicks to get the fifth pick. They got the third. Not sure how that is strike one. Also, who are you speaking about in terms of development and is it a concern since Perry/Fizdale have been in place?jrodmc wrote:Tanking sucks, doesn't it? How's that third pick project gonna taste while Zion goes bat**** crazy in NO? When you have the worst record and lose two spots it’s a strike anyways you want to spin it. |
Sambakick
Posts: 21477 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 9/8/2013 Member: #5646 |
5/15/2019 11:41 PM LAST EDITED: 5/15/2019 11:42 PM
New Orleans tanked - after the AD trade demand they sat him and limited his minutes and went 10-21. They were 23-28 before that.
Losing on purpose still works. Luck was always a part of the process. More so now. Doesn't mean it doesn't work. Just means it's less rewarding. Which is what the NBA wanted to do. Reduce rewards to losers. They won't go back to the old system but they might tweak the numbers a little. Everything in moderation. Even moderation.
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CrushAlot
Posts: 59764 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 7/25/2003 Member: #452 USA |
5/16/2019 5:34 AM
Vmart wrote:That is not how the lottery is set up since the odds were changed. You can’t spin the odds. The best odds were the Knicks picked fourth or fifth.CrushAlot wrote:Vmart wrote:Strike one was the draft? Best odds were for the Knicks to get the fifth pick. They got the third. Not sure how that is strike one. Also, who are you speaking about in terms of development and is it a concern since Perry/Fizdale have been in place?jrodmc wrote:Tanking sucks, doesn't it? How's that third pick project gonna taste while Zion goes bat**** crazy in NO? I'm tired,I'm tired, I'm so tired right now......Kristaps Porzingis 1/3/18
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Nalod
Posts: 68474 Alba Posts: 154 Joined: 12/24/2003 Member: #508 USA |
5/16/2019 7:55 AM
Fans reaction and media fueling despair going into this 14% and somehow “Kharma” was to tilt it more?
Aragon of the times writes “Why would Durant want this” and starts citing how Willis Reed was fired as coach, Clyde was traded, Earl “Dumped”, McAdoo traded in the middle of the night, King released, and Ewing left. All as if its some genetic condition that persists despite ownership changes, GM’s and Team presidents all different. Clyde had bad knees by 1976 and was not ready to retire. Earl played a bit too long but was paid nice. Willis as a coach was a train wreck. King was a free agent at at his age returning from ACL was not known. Obviously he came back great but it was super rare. McAdoo was traded after a brief stint here where his ball stopping would make even Melo blush in comparison! Durant and Kyrie if they come know they change the narrative. They want to win but understand no guarantees. There would be trades to bolster the support. Writers can’t use any imagination and offer a possible vision or must they incite old instances unrelated to the present. Vmart, I get where your coming from but really how did knicks “fail”? We moved up 2 spots. The 5 and 4th spots were a 60% chance probably. The fact we were the leagues worst does not change it. |
HofstraBBall
Posts: 27152 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 11/21/2015 Member: #6192 |
5/16/2019 9:58 AM
fishmike wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:dont know what the bold should be but its a LOT higher than 5%fishmike wrote:nykshaknbake wrote:he put a lot of thought into that forumulaknicks1248 wrote:jrodmc wrote:Tanking sucks, doesn't it? How's that third pick project gonna taste while Zion goes bat**** crazy in NO? If we draft Barrett, I will be happy. Never liked to tank or losing seasons. It is what it is. Think we are headed in the right direction. Hope we learned from our past and do not trade the house for someone we may be able to get next year (AD). Although if the bidding gets low and we can give up say a couple of seconds, Frank and DSJ, I'd take it. As long as they can extend him prior. But don't see them going that low and think he wants Lakers who with LBJ can afford to trade the farm. Really don't see a reason why we need to do anything but draft RJ, sign a max or two and keep all our assets for some trades where we get better value. It sucks the way KP worked out. Would be really excited if we still had him. 'Knicks focus should be on players that have grown up playing soccer or cricket' - Triplethreat 8/28/2020
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Nalod
Posts: 68474 Alba Posts: 154 Joined: 12/24/2003 Member: #508 USA |
5/16/2019 10:15 AM
Tanking has many faces. One can avoid it but it inhibits the future. It can kill upside and sustain mediocrity.
Mortgaging the future is ok at times. Philly has done this and now contends. The window is what they make of it. Pels instead of doubling down have an unresolved issue with AD and a season that got lost. Did they tank or fail? I don't know but by not mortgaging a future and traded out some assets they also gave themselves a 6% chance. Memphis seeing the writing on the wall traded out Gasol and tried to move Conley. They rebuilt and thus "tanked". Knicks with KP out for most of the year and little pipeline decided to enrich their youth with Reps and sign potential reclamation projects. All the while KP decides he wants to move on and knicks go all in on the cap. All the while the math was there for all to see. 14% chance. That's its. If you think being a NYer and "Deserve" Zion that's cool but its naïve. |
fishmike
Posts: 53028 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 7/19/2002 Member: #298 USA |
5/16/2019 10:29 AM
HofstraBBall wrote:totally agree. This should be very simple for the Knicks. Take Barret, be happy and call it a day. He's a great prospectfishmike wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:dont know what the bold should be but its a LOT higher than 5%fishmike wrote:nykshaknbake wrote:he put a lot of thought into that forumulaknicks1248 wrote:jrodmc wrote:Tanking sucks, doesn't it? How's that third pick project gonna taste while Zion goes bat**** crazy in NO? "winning is more fun... then fun is fun" -Thibs
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