Marv wrote:the art of checking out while checking in

1st game of the season this year when i was rooting for the L my girlfriend said, "marv we're already playing for next year??" (she knows it gets me hot when she calls me marv).

Just don't tell us you put a dress on and bite her!!!!

fishmike wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

fishmike wrote:you just start checking out. I had Yankee season tickets for almost 15 years. When they got away from what made them good I just started checking out. Elsbury's contract was my line. I just stopped watched and spent the time doing other things. Stinky Knicks I will follow because of the young guys. Knox was whatever. Frank and DSjr were disappointments. Dotson and Trier look great and Mitch has laid the foundation to break out. NYC's Ben Wallace. That being said you still detach a bit... at least I do. Teams like this rarely have a ton of keepers, but I def got emotionally vested in bid Mitch this season and can only dream of a line up with Mitch and Dotson playing D next to KD/Kyrie. Fingers crossed. We can dream, but I do believe we have finally gone about this the right way.

DSjr's first game as a Knick was better than any game Frank had as a Knick, before or since then. DSjr put up those numbers with a bad back, and only knowing one teammate. I expect better things next season, if Smith jr is still here. Expect a better conditioned player, and a better floor general, without the starting lineup changing by the game. Believe some of you expected too much, too soon of Smith jr, under the circumstances.

I pretty much stopped watching the Yankees during the A-Rod era. Wish we could erase it from history. Wasnt just the juicing, it was what the way he went after his critics. Not going to look back nostalgically on that era. Still not watching like I used to. Remember seeing the old Yankee Stadium before the 70s renovation. Harder to remember as I get older. Things are looking better these days though. A new era.

There was so much turmoil this season it was like watching a basketball game break out at a car wreck. Agree that Mitch was the biggest positive this season. Knox turning the corner at the end, attacking from different angles, not just the top of the key, sharing the rock more, was also a positive development.

Kadeem Allen and Trier showed they can be good two-way bench players. DSJr showed IMO that if he's healthy, in top shape, and has worked on his shot in the offseason. He'll be the best PG we've had (in their prime) in decades. If you dont agree I got a Charleston Chew for ya buddy!

I hope you are right about DSjr. But his concerns were less physical and more being able to stay on the court and play high IQ basketball, the two things he totally failed to do. I like the young guys as a group, despite not being impressed with any of them individually. I think we have done a good job building up a youthful base and if we are able to sign two veteran stars that will be a nice base of role players to start.

Like I said, a team with no stars, rookies, G-Leagers, for the most part. Seems very hasty to say that Smith jr. totally failed at anything this season. Agree there were mental errors at times, poor shot selection. Not so bad given the circumstances that DSJr should get a failing grade. Considering his back injury the ever changing lineups, new team. Wanting to finish the season in spite of being visibly injured. I would give him an incomplete at worst.

Agree that Perry/Mills made good use of the resources they had. The team might have looked like a wreck this season. That was part of the plan to get Zion, or at least an 86 percent shot (eff you Cartman)

Still dont see a franchise in dissaray, dont see them changing course, going for the quick fix. Made a point of telling fans they wont do that. If Perry/Mills keep their word, next season should at least be fun. Amar'e and his uninsurable knees, the sequel.That kind of move, and I'll lose interest, unless Zion is drafted, lol.

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fishmike wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

fishmike wrote:you just start checking out. I had Yankee season tickets for almost 15 years. When they got away from what made them good I just started checking out. Elsbury's contract was my line. I just stopped watched and spent the time doing other things. Stinky Knicks I will follow because of the young guys. Knox was whatever. Frank and DSjr were disappointments. Dotson and Trier look great and Mitch has laid the foundation to break out. NYC's Ben Wallace. That being said you still detach a bit... at least I do. Teams like this rarely have a ton of keepers, but I def got emotionally vested in bid Mitch this season and can only dream of a line up with Mitch and Dotson playing D next to KD/Kyrie. Fingers crossed. We can dream, but I do believe we have finally gone about this the right way.

DSjr's first game as a Knick was better than any game Frank had as a Knick, before or since then. DSjr put up those numbers with a bad back, and only knowing one teammate. I expect better things next season, if Smith jr is still here. Expect a better conditioned player, and a better floor general, without the starting lineup changing by the game. Believe some of you expected too much, too soon of Smith jr, under the circumstances.

I pretty much stopped watching the Yankees during the A-Rod era. Wish we could erase it from history. Wasnt just the juicing, it was what the way he went after his critics. Not going to look back nostalgically on that era. Still not watching like I used to. Remember seeing the old Yankee Stadium before the 70s renovation. Harder to remember as I get older. Things are looking better these days though. A new era.

There was so much turmoil this season it was like watching a basketball game break out at a car wreck. Agree that Mitch was the biggest positive this season. Knox turning the corner at the end, attacking from different angles, not just the top of the key, sharing the rock more, was also a positive development.

Kadeem Allen and Trier showed they can be good two-way bench players. DSJr showed IMO that if he's healthy, in top shape, and has worked on his shot in the offseason. He'll be the best PG we've had (in their prime) in decades. If you dont agree I got a Charleston Chew for ya buddy!

I hope you are right about DSjr. But his concerns were less physical and more being able to stay on the court and play high IQ basketball, the two things he totally failed to do. I like the young guys as a group, despite not being impressed with any of them individually. I think we have done a good job building up a youthful base and if we are able to sign two veteran stars that will be a nice base of role players to start.

Fish, it’s very difficult discern IQ. For a team full of players that were looking out for their own isolation play. Last night I saw more hockey assists watching GS play in one game then I saw all season from the Knicks.

martin wrote:

Vmart wrote:

fishmike wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

fishmike wrote:you just start checking out. I had Yankee season tickets for almost 15 years. When they got away from what made them good I just started checking out. Elsbury's contract was my line. I just stopped watched and spent the time doing other things. Stinky Knicks I will follow because of the young guys. Knox was whatever. Frank and DSjr were disappointments. Dotson and Trier look great and Mitch has laid the foundation to break out. NYC's Ben Wallace. That being said you still detach a bit... at least I do. Teams like this rarely have a ton of keepers, but I def got emotionally vested in bid Mitch this season and can only dream of a line up with Mitch and Dotson playing D next to KD/Kyrie. Fingers crossed. We can dream, but I do believe we have finally gone about this the right way.

DSjr's first game as a Knick was better than any game Frank had as a Knick, before or since then. DSjr put up those numbers with a bad back, and only knowing one teammate. I expect better things next season, if Smith jr is still here. Expect a better conditioned player, and a better floor general, without the starting lineup changing by the game. Believe some of you expected too much, too soon of Smith jr, under the circumstances.

I pretty much stopped watching the Yankees during the A-Rod era. Wish we could erase it from history. Wasnt just the juicing, it was what the way he went after his critics. Not going to look back nostalgically on that era. Still not watching like I used to. Remember seeing the old Yankee Stadium before the 70s renovation. Harder to remember as I get older. Things are looking better these days though. A new era.

There was so much turmoil this season it was like watching a basketball game break out at a car wreck. Agree that Mitch was the biggest positive this season. Knox turning the corner at the end, attacking from different angles, not just the top of the key, sharing the rock more, was also a positive development.

Kadeem Allen and Trier showed they can be good two-way bench players. DSJr showed IMO that if he's healthy, in top shape, and has worked on his shot in the offseason. He'll be the best PG we've had (in their prime) in decades. If you dont agree I got a Charleston Chew for ya buddy!

I hope you are right about DSjr. But his concerns were less physical and more being able to stay on the court and play high IQ basketball, the two things he totally failed to do. I like the young guys as a group, despite not being impressed with any of them individually. I think we have done a good job building up a youthful base and if we are able to sign two veteran stars that will be a nice base of role players to start.

Fish, it’s very difficult discern IQ. For a team full of players that were looking out for their own isolation play. Last night I saw more hockey assists watching GS play in one game then I saw all season from the Knicks.

It is?

My point is if a player is highly intelligent there is a very good chance that his I.Q. will take a hit because others lack it after all it’s a team game. Ntlikina to me is an intelligent basketball player but he was lost and looked more lost than last season. Why? Did his basketball I.Q. Go down? No he was surrounded by players who weren’t trying to be team players. The Knicks as a whole displayed a lack of basketball I.Q. more than players it maybe a reflection of the coach and system along with youth. In a bad team it is even more difficult to determine a players I.Q. For the game.

Sambakick wrote:You are a grown up. You are allowed to root for other teams.

For me: I AM NEVER QUITTING THE KNICKS.

I will be a Knicks fan for life. My fandom predates current Knicks ownership and management.

Why would i let some johnny come-lately's rip away my lifelong bond?

I think since I've put in my years as a long-suffering fan, i could pick a second team to root for.

This year its Denver. I like the Joker. He really shows what KP could never be.

Amen!!!!

I have been fed up and left the UK for a few weeks. Thought it would be longer. But its in my DNA.
Sure we get angry at them. Zion are not odds in favor. The Hype of Durant and Kyrie, its not substantiated so why get angry if it does not come to fruition.
Im all over the place as to what I want to happen. I mostly want a sustained long run. The time line for that? Waited 46 years, a few more might not kill me.
Well, sort of......

CrushAlot wrote:

Vmart wrote:

martin wrote:

Vmart wrote:

fishmike wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

fishmike wrote:you just start checking out. I had Yankee season tickets for almost 15 years. When they got away from what made them good I just started checking out. Elsbury's contract was my line. I just stopped watched and spent the time doing other things. Stinky Knicks I will follow because of the young guys. Knox was whatever. Frank and DSjr were disappointments. Dotson and Trier look great and Mitch has laid the foundation to break out. NYC's Ben Wallace. That being said you still detach a bit... at least I do. Teams like this rarely have a ton of keepers, but I def got emotionally vested in bid Mitch this season and can only dream of a line up with Mitch and Dotson playing D next to KD/Kyrie. Fingers crossed. We can dream, but I do believe we have finally gone about this the right way.

DSjr's first game as a Knick was better than any game Frank had as a Knick, before or since then. DSjr put up those numbers with a bad back, and only knowing one teammate. I expect better things next season, if Smith jr is still here. Expect a better conditioned player, and a better floor general, without the starting lineup changing by the game. Believe some of you expected too much, too soon of Smith jr, under the circumstances.

I pretty much stopped watching the Yankees during the A-Rod era. Wish we could erase it from history. Wasnt just the juicing, it was what the way he went after his critics. Not going to look back nostalgically on that era. Still not watching like I used to. Remember seeing the old Yankee Stadium before the 70s renovation. Harder to remember as I get older. Things are looking better these days though. A new era.

There was so much turmoil this season it was like watching a basketball game break out at a car wreck. Agree that Mitch was the biggest positive this season. Knox turning the corner at the end, attacking from different angles, not just the top of the key, sharing the rock more, was also a positive development.

Kadeem Allen and Trier showed they can be good two-way bench players. DSJr showed IMO that if he's healthy, in top shape, and has worked on his shot in the offseason. He'll be the best PG we've had (in their prime) in decades. If you dont agree I got a Charleston Chew for ya buddy!

I hope you are right about DSjr. But his concerns were less physical and more being able to stay on the court and play high IQ basketball, the two things he totally failed to do. I like the young guys as a group, despite not being impressed with any of them individually. I think we have done a good job building up a youthful base and if we are able to sign two veteran stars that will be a nice base of role players to start.

Fish, it’s very difficult discern IQ. For a team full of players that were looking out for their own isolation play. Last night I saw more hockey assists watching GS play in one game then I saw all season from the Knicks.

It is?

My point is if a player is highly intelligent there is a very good chance that his I.Q. will take a hit because others lack it after all it’s a team game. Ntlikina to me is an intelligent basketball player but he was lost and looked more lost than last season. Why? Did his basketball I.Q. Go down? No he was surrounded by players who weren’t trying to be team players. The Knicks as a whole displayed a lack of basketball I.Q. more than players it maybe a reflection of the coach and system along with youth. In a bad team it is even more difficult to determine a players I.Q. For the game.

The new guy at posting and toasting was on the Film School podcast the other day. He talked a bit about what the Knicks ran on offense this year and said it was basically what Stevens runs in Boston and what Stotts runs in Portland. He was critical of Fiz’s substitutions but said he wasn’t concerned about the offense. The guy watches a ton of film and the podcast is worth listening to.

Nice. I'm not able to discern what types of offenses are run but this seemed like it was happening

Vmart wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Vmart wrote:

martin wrote:

Vmart wrote:

fishmike wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

fishmike wrote:you just start checking out. I had Yankee season tickets for almost 15 years. When they got away from what made them good I just started checking out. Elsbury's contract was my line. I just stopped watched and spent the time doing other things. Stinky Knicks I will follow because of the young guys. Knox was whatever. Frank and DSjr were disappointments. Dotson and Trier look great and Mitch has laid the foundation to break out. NYC's Ben Wallace. That being said you still detach a bit... at least I do. Teams like this rarely have a ton of keepers, but I def got emotionally vested in bid Mitch this season and can only dream of a line up with Mitch and Dotson playing D next to KD/Kyrie. Fingers crossed. We can dream, but I do believe we have finally gone about this the right way.

DSjr's first game as a Knick was better than any game Frank had as a Knick, before or since then. DSjr put up those numbers with a bad back, and only knowing one teammate. I expect better things next season, if Smith jr is still here. Expect a better conditioned player, and a better floor general, without the starting lineup changing by the game. Believe some of you expected too much, too soon of Smith jr, under the circumstances.

I pretty much stopped watching the Yankees during the A-Rod era. Wish we could erase it from history. Wasnt just the juicing, it was what the way he went after his critics. Not going to look back nostalgically on that era. Still not watching like I used to. Remember seeing the old Yankee Stadium before the 70s renovation. Harder to remember as I get older. Things are looking better these days though. A new era.

There was so much turmoil this season it was like watching a basketball game break out at a car wreck. Agree that Mitch was the biggest positive this season. Knox turning the corner at the end, attacking from different angles, not just the top of the key, sharing the rock more, was also a positive development.

Kadeem Allen and Trier showed they can be good two-way bench players. DSJr showed IMO that if he's healthy, in top shape, and has worked on his shot in the offseason. He'll be the best PG we've had (in their prime) in decades. If you dont agree I got a Charleston Chew for ya buddy!

I hope you are right about DSjr. But his concerns were less physical and more being able to stay on the court and play high IQ basketball, the two things he totally failed to do. I like the young guys as a group, despite not being impressed with any of them individually. I think we have done a good job building up a youthful base and if we are able to sign two veteran stars that will be a nice base of role players to start.

Fish, it’s very difficult discern IQ. For a team full of players that were looking out for their own isolation play. Last night I saw more hockey assists watching GS play in one game then I saw all season from the Knicks.

It is?

My point is if a player is highly intelligent there is a very good chance that his I.Q. will take a hit because others lack it after all it’s a team game. Ntlikina to me is an intelligent basketball player but he was lost and looked more lost than last season. Why? Did his basketball I.Q. Go down? No he was surrounded by players who weren’t trying to be team players. The Knicks as a whole displayed a lack of basketball I.Q. more than players it maybe a reflection of the coach and system along with youth. In a bad team it is even more difficult to determine a players I.Q. For the game.

The new guy at posting and toasting was on the Film School podcast the other day. He talked a bit about what the Knicks ran on offense this year and said it was basically what Stevens runs in Boston and what Stotts runs in Portland. He was critical of Fiz’s substitutions but said he wasn’t concerned about the offense. The guy watches a ton of film and the podcast is worth listening to.

I’m sure Fizz ran something every team runs something but what differentiates coaches is their ability to adapt and make adjustments in the course of the game. Now Fizz was running something but were his players running the same thing?

The players were mostly run out of gym by every NBA team.
Fiz cannot come out and play for them.

Vmart wrote:

arkrud wrote:

Vmart wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Vmart wrote:

martin wrote:

Vmart wrote:

fishmike wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

fishmike wrote:you just start checking out. I had Yankee season tickets for almost 15 years. When they got away from what made them good I just started checking out. Elsbury's contract was my line. I just stopped watched and spent the time doing other things. Stinky Knicks I will follow because of the young guys. Knox was whatever. Frank and DSjr were disappointments. Dotson and Trier look great and Mitch has laid the foundation to break out. NYC's Ben Wallace. That being said you still detach a bit... at least I do. Teams like this rarely have a ton of keepers, but I def got emotionally vested in bid Mitch this season and can only dream of a line up with Mitch and Dotson playing D next to KD/Kyrie. Fingers crossed. We can dream, but I do believe we have finally gone about this the right way.

DSjr's first game as a Knick was better than any game Frank had as a Knick, before or since then. DSjr put up those numbers with a bad back, and only knowing one teammate. I expect better things next season, if Smith jr is still here. Expect a better conditioned player, and a better floor general, without the starting lineup changing by the game. Believe some of you expected too much, too soon of Smith jr, under the circumstances.

I pretty much stopped watching the Yankees during the A-Rod era. Wish we could erase it from history. Wasnt just the juicing, it was what the way he went after his critics. Not going to look back nostalgically on that era. Still not watching like I used to. Remember seeing the old Yankee Stadium before the 70s renovation. Harder to remember as I get older. Things are looking better these days though. A new era.

There was so much turmoil this season it was like watching a basketball game break out at a car wreck. Agree that Mitch was the biggest positive this season. Knox turning the corner at the end, attacking from different angles, not just the top of the key, sharing the rock more, was also a positive development.

Kadeem Allen and Trier showed they can be good two-way bench players. DSJr showed IMO that if he's healthy, in top shape, and has worked on his shot in the offseason. He'll be the best PG we've had (in their prime) in decades. If you dont agree I got a Charleston Chew for ya buddy!

I hope you are right about DSjr. But his concerns were less physical and more being able to stay on the court and play high IQ basketball, the two things he totally failed to do. I like the young guys as a group, despite not being impressed with any of them individually. I think we have done a good job building up a youthful base and if we are able to sign two veteran stars that will be a nice base of role players to start.

Fish, it’s very difficult discern IQ. For a team full of players that were looking out for their own isolation play. Last night I saw more hockey assists watching GS play in one game then I saw all season from the Knicks.

It is?

My point is if a player is highly intelligent there is a very good chance that his I.Q. will take a hit because others lack it after all it’s a team game. Ntlikina to me is an intelligent basketball player but he was lost and looked more lost than last season. Why? Did his basketball I.Q. Go down? No he was surrounded by players who weren’t trying to be team players. The Knicks as a whole displayed a lack of basketball I.Q. more than players it maybe a reflection of the coach and system along with youth. In a bad team it is even more difficult to determine a players I.Q. For the game.

The new guy at posting and toasting was on the Film School podcast the other day. He talked a bit about what the Knicks ran on offense this year and said it was basically what Stevens runs in Boston and what Stotts runs in Portland. He was critical of Fiz’s substitutions but said he wasn’t concerned about the offense. The guy watches a ton of film and the podcast is worth listening to.

I’m sure Fizz ran something every team runs something but what differentiates coaches is their ability to adapt and make adjustments in the course of the game. Now Fizz was running something but were his players running the same thing?

The players were mostly run out of gym by every NBA team.
Fiz cannot come out and play for them.

I agree a Coach can’t play for his players but are the players playing and executing his scheme? See I can understand missing shots but were the shots good shots in the flow of the scheme. Missing shot is to be expected with young players and it most likely gets better with repetitiveness or better players.

Knicks were running out GLeaguers, first round cast offs, first and second year players, second round hopefuls, undrafted players and a couple of vets who definitely would not start or barely come off the bench on a decent team. Call it an excuse, call it whatever you want, but that was the reality.