knicks1248 wrote:

TheGame wrote:In the beginning of the year, he was a ball hog but even then the guy made quick decisions with the ball. He was playing for his contract, so I understood it. By the end of the year, he was passing more and playing more within the offense, so I think the whole thing is overblown. When you shoot 45% from the field and 39% from 3, AS A ROOKIE, you are going to get the green light to shoot. Trier was an amazing find who should have been a first round pick.

I agree, but when you put a bunch of guys together who are all fighting for their next contract, your going to get a lot of hero ball..I figured that out during the last 17 game win season

When some complained that D rose an Jennings were ignoring KP, they never took into consideration that they were both playing for new contracts..You think those guys developed that mentality overnight..Once you start playing like that at a young age, it becomes a habit.

Rose "habit" was a former MVP playing. He is an attack the rim player.
Jennings a career journeyman who did not make it thru the season.
How does that equate to Trier situation?
IN your Rainman thinking every 17 win season is the same? Likewise every 54 win season the same? You have mentioned your love for the woodson lead team and that it got "ruined" by bad decisions. I surmise it was created by bad decisions and the 39 win aftermath was evidence. 5 players retired that season and we bring in Barg's.
Old news.
New news.........Next season will have many different faces and challenges. It won't be the same.
I think with a top 5 picks and max space there is potential for change. Trier could be moved for a late 1st round pick if determined. A free agent signing we can move for a pick would be great.

knicks1248 wrote:

Nalod wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

TheGame wrote:In the beginning of the year, he was a ball hog but even then the guy made quick decisions with the ball. He was playing for his contract, so I understood it. By the end of the year, he was passing more and playing more within the offense, so I think the whole thing is overblown. When you shoot 45% from the field and 39% from 3, AS A ROOKIE, you are going to get the green light to shoot. Trier was an amazing find who should have been a first round pick.

I agree, but when you put a bunch of guys together who are all fighting for their next contract, your going to get a lot of hero ball..I figured that out during the last 17 game win season

When some complained that D rose an Jennings were ignoring KP, they never took into consideration that they were both playing for new contracts..You think those guys developed that mentality overnight..Once you start playing like that at a young age, it becomes a habit.

Rose "habit" was a former MVP playing. He is an attack the rim player.
Jennings a career journeyman who did not make it thru the season.
How does that equate to Trier situation?
IN your Rainman thinking every 17 win season is the same? Likewise every 54 win season the same? You have mentioned your love for the woodson lead team and that it got "ruined" by bad decisions. I surmise it was created by bad decisions and the 39 win aftermath was evidence. 5 players retired that season and we bring in Barg's.
Old news.
New news.........Next season will have many different faces and challenges. It won't be the same.
I think with a top 5 picks and max space there is potential for change. Trier could be moved for a late 1st round pick if determined. A free agent signing we can move for a pick would be great.

When you sober up (seems like you've been high forever) understand the difference

The previous 17 win seasons had 8 guys with 1 yr contracts, close to what we have this season

the 54 season was not a fluke, Tyson(DOY) got hurt, JR smith(6th man of the yr) was playing through a rehab knee, kid retired, Amare was hurt..More importantly..Mills took over as president and did jack sht other than sign JR's brother...At the start of that 54 win season Grunwald had everyone signed for 2 to 3 yrs to very reasonable contracts..so no ones going in playing for a contract other than Jr smith..

The problem is not just Trier, it's the person in charge is giving him free reign to play selfish, almost advocating it..

Tyson got ate up in the playoffs, got injuried and never duplicated his DOPY season. Felton caught a gun charge, and was terrible. JR Smith was out partying and doing coke every night not to mention choked in the playoffs after getting suspended vs Boston the yes prior. Shump stopped taking to coaching, Stopped working on his craft and worried more about his NY lifestyle. Amare could never recover from injuries. Melo ended up having a major knee injury derailing his career. Not to mention key leadership pieces such as Kidd, Sheed, KT all retired.

Melo was due an extension, as was Shumpert. Knicks owed 2 first round picks over the next few seasons after the Bargs trade. There is no way to keep that team in contention without breaking up the core and nailing the pick they did have(Gobert over Hardaway Jr). Trading for Lowry over Bargs. In hindsight they would have had to make those type of moves which they didn't.

But there damn sure wasn't a "foundation" for continual success. Especially if in hindsight. Tyson, Felton, Shump all needing to be upgraded. Basically majority of the core.

knicks1248 wrote:

TheGame wrote:In the beginning of the year, he was a ball hog but even then the guy made quick decisions with the ball. He was playing for his contract, so I understood it. By the end of the year, he was passing more and playing more within the offense, so I think the whole thing is overblown. When you shoot 45% from the field and 39% from 3, AS A ROOKIE, you are going to get the green light to shoot. Trier was an amazing find who should have been a first round pick.

I agree, but when you put a bunch of guys together who are all fighting for their next contract, your going to get a lot of hero ball..I figured that out during the last 17 game win season

When some complained that D rose an Jennings were ignoring KP, they never took into consideration that they were both playing for new contracts..You think those guys developed that mentality overnight..Once you start playing like that at a young age, it becomes a habit.

CrushAlot wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

TheGame wrote:In the beginning of the year, he was a ball hog but even then the guy made quick decisions with the ball. He was playing for his contract, so I understood it. By the end of the year, he was passing more and playing more within the offense, so I think the whole thing is overblown. When you shoot 45% from the field and 39% from 3, AS A ROOKIE, you are going to get the green light to shoot. Trier was an amazing find who should have been a first round pick.

I agree, but when you put a bunch of guys together who are all fighting for their next contract, your going to get a lot of hero ball..I figured that out during the last 17 game win season

When some complained that D rose an Jennings were ignoring KP, they never took into consideration that they were both playing for new contracts..You think those guys developed that mentality overnight..Once you start playing like that at a young age, it becomes a habit.

Kendrick Perkins was on the Woj pod talking about his time in the g league. One of the things he said was if guys knew there was an nba scout at a game some players would play hero ball for that night.

BigDaddyG wrote:

Vmart wrote:Timmy was in the right he isn’t often but the situation where Trier went total tunnel vision. Hardaway was ahead of him and he didn’t pass the ball. Basketball 101 says you pass the ball. Even the greatest of all time will pass the ball.

The problem is that Tim did the same thing. He comes off as a hypocrite.

Yes you are correct but it should tell you that both are just looking out only for themselves.

knicks1248 wrote:

Nalod wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

TheGame wrote:In the beginning of the year, he was a ball hog but even then the guy made quick decisions with the ball. He was playing for his contract, so I understood it. By the end of the year, he was passing more and playing more within the offense, so I think the whole thing is overblown. When you shoot 45% from the field and 39% from 3, AS A ROOKIE, you are going to get the green light to shoot. Trier was an amazing find who should have been a first round pick.

I agree, but when you put a bunch of guys together who are all fighting for their next contract, your going to get a lot of hero ball..I figured that out during the last 17 game win season

When some complained that D rose an Jennings were ignoring KP, they never took into consideration that they were both playing for new contracts..You think those guys developed that mentality overnight..Once you start playing like that at a young age, it becomes a habit.

Rose "habit" was a former MVP playing. He is an attack the rim player.
Jennings a career journeyman who did not make it thru the season.
How does that equate to Trier situation?
IN your Rainman thinking every 17 win season is the same? Likewise every 54 win season the same? You have mentioned your love for the woodson lead team and that it got "ruined" by bad decisions. I surmise it was created by bad decisions and the 39 win aftermath was evidence. 5 players retired that season and we bring in Barg's.
Old news.
New news.........Next season will have many different faces and challenges. It won't be the same.
I think with a top 5 picks and max space there is potential for change. Trier could be moved for a late 1st round pick if determined. A free agent signing we can move for a pick would be great.

When you sober up (seems like you've been high forever) understand the difference

The previous 17 win seasons had 8 guys with 1 yr contracts, close to what we have this season

the 54 season was not a fluke, Tyson(DOY) got hurt, JR smith(6th man of the yr) was playing through a rehab knee, kid retired, Amare was hurt..More importantly..Mills took over as president and did jack sht other than sign JR's brother...At the start of that 54 win season Grunwald had everyone signed for 2 to 3 yrs to very reasonable contracts..so no ones going in playing for a contract other than Jr smith..

The problem is not just Trier, it's the person in charge is giving him free reign to play selfish, almost advocating it..

You get adolescent and try to deflect the issue. Getting high?
Blame Mills for Smith is not the issue. the fact we had to suck up to JR Smith was. JR had all star talent but was a moron. We circumvented the system to pay JR. You think its by coincidence we paid Chris smith who was not NBA quality because Mills was incompetent? And who is responsible for the team? The owner.
Look at a decision and blame the guy that made it? Or the Situation before and after it to understand what happened. We sold the house to get melo this after Isiah had wrecked the roster and draft picks for years with Marbles and Eddy. Then we paid a price to clean it up. With a thin asset base we stripped it for Melo. This compounds over the years and to understand were we are you have to understand were we have been.
Phil tried to construct and interesting team while rebuilding. It did not work but at least he did not mortgage the future.
What has mills done lately? Put us in a position of opportunity to draft a top 5 player and sign two max players. WE were not close to making the playoffs in any event other than KP playing a full season so does it matter if we finish with 17 wins or 27?

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Vmart wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Nalod wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

TheGame wrote:In the beginning of the year, he was a ball hog but even then the guy made quick decisions with the ball. He was playing for his contract, so I understood it. By the end of the year, he was passing more and playing more within the offense, so I think the whole thing is overblown. When you shoot 45% from the field and 39% from 3, AS A ROOKIE, you are going to get the green light to shoot. Trier was an amazing find who should have been a first round pick.

I agree, but when you put a bunch of guys together who are all fighting for their next contract, your going to get a lot of hero ball..I figured that out during the last 17 game win season

When some complained that D rose an Jennings were ignoring KP, they never took into consideration that they were both playing for new contracts..You think those guys developed that mentality overnight..Once you start playing like that at a young age, it becomes a habit.

Rose "habit" was a former MVP playing. He is an attack the rim player.
Jennings a career journeyman who did not make it thru the season.
How does that equate to Trier situation?
IN your Rainman thinking every 17 win season is the same? Likewise every 54 win season the same? You have mentioned your love for the woodson lead team and that it got "ruined" by bad decisions. I surmise it was created by bad decisions and the 39 win aftermath was evidence. 5 players retired that season and we bring in Barg's.
Old news.
New news.........Next season will have many different faces and challenges. It won't be the same.
I think with a top 5 picks and max space there is potential for change. Trier could be moved for a late 1st round pick if determined. A free agent signing we can move for a pick would be great.

When you sober up (seems like you've been high forever) understand the difference

The previous 17 win seasons had 8 guys with 1 yr contracts, close to what we have this season

the 54 season was not a fluke, Tyson(DOY) got hurt, JR smith(6th man of the yr) was playing through a rehab knee, kid retired, Amare was hurt..More importantly..Mills took over as president and did jack sht other than sign JR's brother...At the start of that 54 win season Grunwald had everyone signed for 2 to 3 yrs to very reasonable contracts..so no ones going in playing for a contract other than Jr smith..

The problem is not just Trier, it's the person in charge is giving him free reign to play selfish, almost advocating it..

That 54 win team was a complete fluke. It was lead by Kidd who happen to make everyone better. Once he was gone there would be no repeat of that.

CrushAlot wrote:

Vmart wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Nalod wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

TheGame wrote:In the beginning of the year, he was a ball hog but even then the guy made quick decisions with the ball. He was playing for his contract, so I understood it. By the end of the year, he was passing more and playing more within the offense, so I think the whole thing is overblown. When you shoot 45% from the field and 39% from 3, AS A ROOKIE, you are going to get the green light to shoot. Trier was an amazing find who should have been a first round pick.

I agree, but when you put a bunch of guys together who are all fighting for their next contract, your going to get a lot of hero ball..I figured that out during the last 17 game win season

When some complained that D rose an Jennings were ignoring KP, they never took into consideration that they were both playing for new contracts..You think those guys developed that mentality overnight..Once you start playing like that at a young age, it becomes a habit.

Rose "habit" was a former MVP playing. He is an attack the rim player.
Jennings a career journeyman who did not make it thru the season.
How does that equate to Trier situation?
IN your Rainman thinking every 17 win season is the same? Likewise every 54 win season the same? You have mentioned your love for the woodson lead team and that it got "ruined" by bad decisions. I surmise it was created by bad decisions and the 39 win aftermath was evidence. 5 players retired that season and we bring in Barg's.
Old news.
New news.........Next season will have many different faces and challenges. It won't be the same.
I think with a top 5 picks and max space there is potential for change. Trier could be moved for a late 1st round pick if determined. A free agent signing we can move for a pick would be great.

When you sober up (seems like you've been high forever) understand the difference

The previous 17 win seasons had 8 guys with 1 yr contracts, close to what we have this season

the 54 season was not a fluke, Tyson(DOY) got hurt, JR smith(6th man of the yr) was playing through a rehab knee, kid retired, Amare was hurt..More importantly..Mills took over as president and did jack sht other than sign JR's brother...At the start of that 54 win season Grunwald had everyone signed for 2 to 3 yrs to very reasonable contracts..so no ones going in playing for a contract other than Jr smith..

The problem is not just Trier, it's the person in charge is giving him free reign to play selfish, almost advocating it..

That 54 win team was a complete fluke. It was lead by Kidd who happen to make everyone better. Once he was gone there would be no repeat of that.

It wasn’t a fluke. Grunwald getting fired killed any hope of sustaining the success. Once Mills took over the dysfunction ramped up and things were never the same. Kidd was good but Melo was 3rd in mvp balloting that year and probably would have won it if D12 didn’t almost end his career.

It started before that. It started when CAA had Dolan have Grunwald sign Chris Smith to an NBA contract in order for JR to bypass the 8mil Miluakee was offering and rejoin the Knicks. And then when CAA had Dolan have Grunwald trade Bargs who was also a client. Dolan attempted to do favors for CAA hoping this would then get them to steer their higher profile player to the Knicks down the road.