GustavBahler wrote:Allen might not stick here, but he keeps playing like this and he will stick somewhere. Frank and Mudiay better come back strong. Lots of competition now

U of A always produce solid guards. Lived there for 10 years and it's amazing how many guards go through that college system.

GustavBahler wrote:Allen might not stick here, but he keeps playing like this and he will stick somewhere. Frank and Mudiay better come back strong. Lots of competition now

True!!!

Kemet wrote:Sexton: 20 pts, 1 rb, 3 ast, 1 stl, and 1 turnover in 39 minute
DSJr.: 10 pts, 2 rb, 4 ast, 3 stl, 2 blk, and 1 turnover in 31 minute
Allen: 25 pts, 3 rb, 6 ast, 1 stl, and 1 turnover in 32 minute

I have to admit .. we Knick fans has been sleeping on Kadeem Allen play-maker passing-skills plus quick-step slash to the basket for 2 pts in the last 5 games. The more games Allen play the familiar he gets to complimenting his teammates skills. I did get a little tight at Allen when he took that 3 ball shot when we were down by 4 pts at crunch time.
But Allen is THAT 3rd guard in a 3 guard-offense u want on the court !!!

What do you say bout head coach Fizdale's 17 game losing streak ???

A) It's not Fizdale its the lousy roster he was given, next season he will do better having Zion & KD.
B) Fizdale is a player coach, he will bring it together in his 2nd season coaching.
C) Fizdale loss his 17th straight game vs a mediocre 11-45 record Cavs team, he's FIRED !!!

remind you of another high scoring low turnover guard on the team?
that would be mudiay. him and kadeem are in the same mould. all dsjr can do for himself is layups and dunks...He's just DSr not DSJr...coz he has no J

MS wrote:Does anyone have worst footwork than Knox. The guy travels twice a game and always catches it out of bounds nearly every night. His rebounding is suspect too, total lack of effort out there.

God help us if we don’t get the #1 pick.

Allen has outplayed all the guards, thank god for Robinson one of the only bright spots out there from the young guys.

He is awful. We should him while he has some value. I wouldn't mind the bad shooting if he had some other redemmable skill but he doesn't. Awful passer, doesn't rebound, doesn't defend.

Cartman718 wrote:...He's just DSr not DSJr...coz he has no J

Cartman718 wrote:

Kemet wrote:Sexton: 20 pts, 1 rb, 3 ast, 1 stl, and 1 turnover in 39 minute
DSJr.: 10 pts, 2 rb, 4 ast, 3 stl, 2 blk, and 1 turnover in 31 minute
Allen: 25 pts, 3 rb, 6 ast, 1 stl, and 1 turnover in 32 minute

I have to admit .. we Knick fans has been sleeping on Kadeem Allen play-maker passing-skills plus quick-step slash to the basket for 2 pts in the last 5 games. The more games Allen play the familiar he gets to complimenting his teammates skills. I did get a little tight at Allen when he took that 3 ball shot when we were down by 4 pts at crunch time.
But Allen is THAT 3rd guard in a 3 guard-offense u want on the court !!!

What do you say bout head coach Fizdale's 17 game losing streak ???

A) It's not Fizdale its the lousy roster he was given, next season he will do better having Zion & KD.
B) Fizdale is a player coach, he will bring it together in his 2nd season coaching.
C) Fizdale loss his 17th straight game vs a mediocre 11-45 record Cavs team, he's FIRED !!!

remind you of another high scoring low turnover guard on the team?
that would be mudiay. him and kadeem are in the same mould. all dsjr can do for himself is layups and dunks...He's just DSr not DSJr...coz he has no J

Don't quite understand this take and I don't think you looked up stats before posting? Just put out something and see if it sticks? Especially if you comparing DSJr and Mudiay.

We haven't seen a lot of Kadeem but I like him already, hopefully he can keep up what he is doing. His defense is heads above DSJr/Mudiay and he looks competent running an offense while getting his own offense in.

Jmpasq wrote:

MS wrote:Does anyone have worst footwork than Knox. The guy travels twice a game and always catches it out of bounds nearly every night. His rebounding is suspect too, total lack of effort out there.

God help us if we don’t get the #1 pick.

Allen has outplayed all the guards, thank god for Robinson one of the only bright spots out there from the young guys.

He is awful. We should him while he has some value. I wouldn't mind the bad shooting if he had some other redemmable skill but he doesn't. Awful passer, doesn't rebound, doesn't defend.

Curious...are you for the rebuild? Building team through draft? If so, not very smart to give up on 19 years olds who are highly touted, still growing and in the first half of an NBA rookie season? But that's just me.

Fact is the kid is still growing. Although its obvious he can still improve his foot work and overall athleticism by doing so, why act like it was not expected.

Cartman718 wrote:

Kemet wrote:Sexton: 20 pts, 1 rb, 3 ast, 1 stl, and 1 turnover in 39 minute
DSJr.: 10 pts, 2 rb, 4 ast, 3 stl, 2 blk, and 1 turnover in 31 minute
Allen: 25 pts, 3 rb, 6 ast, 1 stl, and 1 turnover in 32 minute

I have to admit .. we Knick fans has been sleeping on Kadeem Allen play-maker passing-skills plus quick-step slash to the basket for 2 pts in the last 5 games. The more games Allen play the familiar he gets to complimenting his teammates skills. I did get a little tight at Allen when he took that 3 ball shot when we were down by 4 pts at crunch time.
But Allen is THAT 3rd guard in a 3 guard-offense u want on the court !!!

What do you say bout head coach Fizdale's 17 game losing streak ???

A) It's not Fizdale its the lousy roster he was given, next season he will do better having Zion & KD.
B) Fizdale is a player coach, he will bring it together in his 2nd season coaching.
C) Fizdale loss his 17th straight game vs a mediocre 11-45 record Cavs team, he's FIRED !!!

remind you of another high scoring low turnover guard on the team?
that would be mudiay. him and kadeem are in the same mould. all dsjr can do for himself is layups and dunks...He's just DSr not DSJr...coz he has no J

Trollin? Seems you like to pick on the kid. So Smith is a above average turnover machine? You have facts or just BS? Here is some for ya. Smith averaged, in his first year and at 20 year old, 2.8 per game. I'm sure you know what other PG's are currently averaging including Westbrook, Simmons, Wall, Young, Lavine, Holiday, Fox, Rubio, Russel, Lillard, CP3, Steph, Lowry, Irving, Walker etc.? ALL over 2.8 or right there with him. You also probably know that most PG's, that have gone to significant success, all averaged over 3 per game in their first two years and are still having trouble staying under 3? But yeah, he is a ridiculous turnover machine. Fact is, anyone with a true knowledge of basketball also realizes that the PG position is the toughest position to play in the NBA. But keep the hate going brah.

Since you know so much about the PG position, who do you think should be our PG?

martin wrote:

Cartman718 wrote:

Kemet wrote:Sexton: 20 pts, 1 rb, 3 ast, 1 stl, and 1 turnover in 39 minute
DSJr.: 10 pts, 2 rb, 4 ast, 3 stl, 2 blk, and 1 turnover in 31 minute
Allen: 25 pts, 3 rb, 6 ast, 1 stl, and 1 turnover in 32 minute

I have to admit .. we Knick fans has been sleeping on Kadeem Allen play-maker passing-skills plus quick-step slash to the basket for 2 pts in the last 5 games. The more games Allen play the familiar he gets to complimenting his teammates skills. I did get a little tight at Allen when he took that 3 ball shot when we were down by 4 pts at crunch time.
But Allen is THAT 3rd guard in a 3 guard-offense u want on the court !!!

What do you say bout head coach Fizdale's 17 game losing streak ???

A) It's not Fizdale its the lousy roster he was given, next season he will do better having Zion & KD.
B) Fizdale is a player coach, he will bring it together in his 2nd season coaching.
C) Fizdale loss his 17th straight game vs a mediocre 11-45 record Cavs team, he's FIRED !!!

remind you of another high scoring low turnover guard on the team?
that would be mudiay. him and kadeem are in the same mould. all dsjr can do for himself is layups and dunks...He's just DSr not DSJr...coz he has no J

Don't quite understand this take and I don't think you looked up stats before posting? Just put out something and see if it sticks? Especially if you comparing DSJr and Mudiay.

We haven't seen a lot of Kadeem but I like him already, hopefully he can keep up what he is doing. His defense is heads above DSJr/Mudiay and he looks competent running an offense while getting his own offense in.

You just don't see it, do you? My eye test is better than yours. Your eyes are trained to seeing ONLY THOSE PLAYS for Mudiay where he falls down and fails to make a layup. Did you even bother looking at his stats or highlights before seeing if your challenge sticks? or for that matter watching entire games when he plays this season?

DSJr with Dallas season - 4.3 assist per game 3.1 turnovers
Mudiay with NY this season - 3.9 assist per game 2.1 turnovers
Kadeem Allen with NY in 8 games this season... - 4 assist 0.6 turnovers.

Allen's defense is not "heads above" DSJr or Mudiay...how much of his defensive liabilities are being masked by the fact that he's playing with Mitch and Vonleh most of the time who show some semblance of paint defense on the PNR compared to Deandre Jordan or Kanter?

You also didn't respond to my take on the other thread that if DSJr, Frank and Mudiay are all bad, then lets ship them all out. But you save that comment for Mudiay alone, not sure why the favoritism. I also posted their 2018-19 season stats this season in another thread. Did you look at those?

Allen's turnovers are clearly very low and that's great, but we are talking an 8 game sample, and his best performance comes with a roster that's completely different from the one that Mudiay was playing with. I'd be interested in seeing how he performs post all star break with the current crew. Disparity between DSJr and Mudiay scoring...
If Chucky and his bride (Burke) were not taking bad shots left right and center, maybe Mudiay's scoring stats would be higher...who's DSJr's competition from a taking shots perspective in the backcourt...Allen and Dotson? get real.

HofstraBBall wrote:Since you know so much about the PG position, who do you think should be our PG?

If we can trade for Jrue Holiday that would be awesome, but his salary is off the charts, so no.
Lillard same thing.
Ideally, if we can get Darren Collison for cheap, he'd be an upgrade over anyone on this roster. He's UFA this offseason. Diminutive yes but at least he can pass, shoot and doesn't turn over the ball much. If we upgrade our paint with Vucevic and are able to draft Zion, this would work. If Zion is out, Kyrie we think is out and we are not trading the pick...draft the PG of your future.

Ricky Rubio is another UFA if he can be had for cheaper than Collison...Rubio's ghastly shooting numbers do not impress me, but again, this is all assuming drafting a PG and Kyrie is both out.

If you are talking current roster, I'd like a 2 guard set with Mudiay and Allen and see what they can do. They can pass, they can shoot and yes they CAN both make layups if you ever watched them play. They are both better than Frank and DSJr at shooting and only slightly inferior than DSJr in finding the open man. Better in the TOs category as well.

Cartman718 wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:Since you know so much about the PG position, who do you think should be our PG?

If we can trade for Jrue Holiday that would be awesome, but his salary is off the charts, so no.
Lillard same thing.
Ideally, if we can get Darren Collison for cheap, he'd be an upgrade over anyone on this roster. He's UFA this offseason. Diminutive yes but at least he can pass, shoot and doesn't turn over the ball much. If we upgrade our paint with Vucevic and are able to draft Zion, this would work. If Zion is out, Kyrie we think is out and we are not trading the pick...draft the PG of your future.

Ricky Rubio is another UFA if he can be had for cheaper than Collison...Rubio's ghastly shooting numbers do not impress me, but again, this is all assuming drafting a PG and Kyrie is both out.

If you are talking current roster, I'd like a 2 guard set with Mudiay and Allen and see what they can do. They can pass, they can shoot and yes they CAN both make layups if you ever watched them play. They are both better than Frank and DSJr at shooting and only slightly inferior than DSJr in finding the open man. Better in the TOs category as well.

Interesting. Jru Holiday averages 3.2 TO's PG. You mentioned this level is just unacceptable. He also wont be cheap. as you mentioned. for someone that cant shoot the three. I would pass. Lillard is also very expensive and has a really higher usage rate. Something most around here don't seem to like. As for Collison, like him but to pay 10 million for a guy that never gets to the line and is not aggressive on offense seems pointless. We already have Frank that can do that and play a lot better defense. Everyone seems to like and mention Rubio, except the team or the fan base of the team he is on. Ill pass on his outside shooting. And safe to say he is not a young player with potential. Everyone knows what he is. Reason why I dont understand feeling for guys like Frank, Smith, Mudiay and yes Allen. These guys are so young NO ONE knows what they will turn out to be. So why not hold and see. Its not costing us much.

Like Allen. Think Allen had a career night against the Cavs. Reason for pushing Smith, Mudiay and even Frank is that they have the athletic ability to be special. We also have more invested in them. Will they pay off in the long run, who knows? Guys like Allen, can be had. I do hope he sticks as he has shown confidence, understanding for the flow of the game and good all around play. Something he did not have in Boston.

Just dont understand the eagerness to rule out players who we have on rookie deals or 19 and 20 year olds with such athletic potential. (Smith, Mudiay, Frank)