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meloshouldgo
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2/9/2019  1:49 PM
CrushAlot wrote:
meloshouldgo wrote:
martin wrote:
meloshouldgo wrote:
franco12 wrote:
meloshouldgo wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
ekstarks94 wrote:
meloshouldgo wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:Frank can still be a real useful player and is still very young. Unless we get a very good offer there is no reason to get rid of him

Frank is not the problem here. The fact that he has regressed under this coach who supposedly develops players shows you all you need to know about Fiz. Frank is going to be a very useful PG once a coach gives him the keys and he feels less deferential. A good kid with humility is ridiculed because he isn't being selfish chucker. Wr have neither the fans nor the coaching to appreciate what he brings to the game. Hope he gets traded soon, he deserves to play for a real coach on a team that appreciates system basketball. While we still continue 20 win seasons with Mudiay and Dennis Smith Jr has "career" seasons

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If he went to the spurs or gs...he would be a monster

Ntilikina plays somewhat of a calculated game, and he's not all that explosive or shifty with the ball, making it essential that he's brought along slowly on the offensive end, being used as a defender/secondary ball handler in his NBA minutes, while playing strictly on the ball in the D-League. Ntilikina is eventually going to be rock solid in almost any situation, because he's a willing defender with length, possesses a strong feel for the game, has pro experience at the ripe age of 18, and has turned himself into a fairly reliable shooter with time and space. Where Ntilikina may falter is if he's thrust into a huge role as a lead guard early on in his career. - Source: http://www.draftexpress.com/article/breaking-down-the-2017-nba-draft-39-s-loaded-guard-crop-6063/ ©DraftExpress

From Draftexpress. Not sure what the Spurs or Warriors would be doing with him at this young age but it sounds like the Knicks are following the prescribed plan for Frank.
http://www.draftexpress.com/article/breaking-down-the-2017-nba-draft-39-s-loaded-guard-crop-6063/

Let's try this again. They would be using him in a structured offense which would maximize his skills in controlling the flow of the game. But never mind that. DraftExpress has the goods!!

Dude - you thought the Knicks could trade DSjr to Utah for Mitchell- where there was coverage of the fact that the Knicks reached out to Utah about a Mitchell for KP trade.

Maybe you could educate yourself a bit further before posting garbage.

So what? Why does Utah's refusal to trade for a heavy injury risk player with character issues preclude them from trading for a healthy player with character issues? There are people posting tweets comparing Dennis Smith Jr with Jordan with Magic. So do you think he is that good? And Utah wouldn't trade Mitchell for that?

The only person on this planet that thinks Utah giving up Mitchell in that scenario is you

Didn't suggest it had to be one for one. We have picks to offer with DSJR. Mitchell is a better player so will drive higher value. Also not suggesting wr give away every first round pick for Mitchell. But I don't think it would hurt to know what combination of DSJR and picks would dislodge Mitchell. Then we don't need to trade if it's too high an asking price. It's possible they already know, but I have no way of knowing that.

Except that it was reported the Knicks explored KP for Mitchell and found out he was considered untouchable. If KP doesn’t get you Mitchell why would you think DSjr and others gets that deal done? You seem to be posting without any knowledge of what has transpired, the cba etc.

Because added first round picks can be more valuable than KP or DSJR, just because you are incapable of seeing that doesn't make it so.

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2/9/2019  2:15 PM
meloshouldgo wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
meloshouldgo wrote:
martin wrote:
meloshouldgo wrote:
franco12 wrote:
meloshouldgo wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
ekstarks94 wrote:
meloshouldgo wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:Frank can still be a real useful player and is still very young. Unless we get a very good offer there is no reason to get rid of him

Frank is not the problem here. The fact that he has regressed under this coach who supposedly develops players shows you all you need to know about Fiz. Frank is going to be a very useful PG once a coach gives him the keys and he feels less deferential. A good kid with humility is ridiculed because he isn't being selfish chucker. Wr have neither the fans nor the coaching to appreciate what he brings to the game. Hope he gets traded soon, he deserves to play for a real coach on a team that appreciates system basketball. While we still continue 20 win seasons with Mudiay and Dennis Smith Jr has "career" seasons

100%

If he went to the spurs or gs...he would be a monster

Ntilikina plays somewhat of a calculated game, and he's not all that explosive or shifty with the ball, making it essential that he's brought along slowly on the offensive end, being used as a defender/secondary ball handler in his NBA minutes, while playing strictly on the ball in the D-League. Ntilikina is eventually going to be rock solid in almost any situation, because he's a willing defender with length, possesses a strong feel for the game, has pro experience at the ripe age of 18, and has turned himself into a fairly reliable shooter with time and space. Where Ntilikina may falter is if he's thrust into a huge role as a lead guard early on in his career. - Source: http://www.draftexpress.com/article/breaking-down-the-2017-nba-draft-39-s-loaded-guard-crop-6063/ ©DraftExpress

From Draftexpress. Not sure what the Spurs or Warriors would be doing with him at this young age but it sounds like the Knicks are following the prescribed plan for Frank.
http://www.draftexpress.com/article/breaking-down-the-2017-nba-draft-39-s-loaded-guard-crop-6063/

Let's try this again. They would be using him in a structured offense which would maximize his skills in controlling the flow of the game. But never mind that. DraftExpress has the goods!!

Dude - you thought the Knicks could trade DSjr to Utah for Mitchell- where there was coverage of the fact that the Knicks reached out to Utah about a Mitchell for KP trade.

Maybe you could educate yourself a bit further before posting garbage.

So what? Why does Utah's refusal to trade for a heavy injury risk player with character issues preclude them from trading for a healthy player with character issues? There are people posting tweets comparing Dennis Smith Jr with Jordan with Magic. So do you think he is that good? And Utah wouldn't trade Mitchell for that?

The only person on this planet that thinks Utah giving up Mitchell in that scenario is you

Didn't suggest it had to be one for one. We have picks to offer with DSJR. Mitchell is a better player so will drive higher value. Also not suggesting wr give away every first round pick for Mitchell. But I don't think it would hurt to know what combination of DSJR and picks would dislodge Mitchell. Then we don't need to trade if it's too high an asking price. It's possible they already know, but I have no way of knowing that.

Except that it was reported the Knicks explored KP for Mitchell and found out he was considered untouchable. If KP doesn’t get you Mitchell why would you think DSjr and others gets that deal done? You seem to be posting without any knowledge of what has transpired, the cba etc.

Because added first round picks can be more valuable than KP or DSJR, just because you are incapable of seeing that doesn't make it so.

No duh. But when are you getting back to reality? Mitchell ain't getting moved and Knicks weren't gonna empty their first rounders enough to have Utah accept.

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2/9/2019  7:33 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/9/2019  7:36 PM
martin wrote:
meloshouldgo wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
meloshouldgo wrote:
martin wrote:
meloshouldgo wrote:
franco12 wrote:
meloshouldgo wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
ekstarks94 wrote:
meloshouldgo wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:Frank can still be a real useful player and is still very young. Unless we get a very good offer there is no reason to get rid of him

Frank is not the problem here. The fact that he has regressed under this coach who supposedly develops players shows you all you need to know about Fiz. Frank is going to be a very useful PG once a coach gives him the keys and he feels less deferential. A good kid with humility is ridiculed because he isn't being selfish chucker. Wr have neither the fans nor the coaching to appreciate what he brings to the game. Hope he gets traded soon, he deserves to play for a real coach on a team that appreciates system basketball. While we still continue 20 win seasons with Mudiay and Dennis Smith Jr has "career" seasons

100%

If he went to the spurs or gs...he would be a monster

Ntilikina plays somewhat of a calculated game, and he's not all that explosive or shifty with the ball, making it essential that he's brought along slowly on the offensive end, being used as a defender/secondary ball handler in his NBA minutes, while playing strictly on the ball in the D-League. Ntilikina is eventually going to be rock solid in almost any situation, because he's a willing defender with length, possesses a strong feel for the game, has pro experience at the ripe age of 18, and has turned himself into a fairly reliable shooter with time and space. Where Ntilikina may falter is if he's thrust into a huge role as a lead guard early on in his career. - Source: http://www.draftexpress.com/article/breaking-down-the-2017-nba-draft-39-s-loaded-guard-crop-6063/ ©DraftExpress

From Draftexpress. Not sure what the Spurs or Warriors would be doing with him at this young age but it sounds like the Knicks are following the prescribed plan for Frank.
http://www.draftexpress.com/article/breaking-down-the-2017-nba-draft-39-s-loaded-guard-crop-6063/

Let's try this again. They would be using him in a structured offense which would maximize his skills in controlling the flow of the game. But never mind that. DraftExpress has the goods!!

Dude - you thought the Knicks could trade DSjr to Utah for Mitchell- where there was coverage of the fact that the Knicks reached out to Utah about a Mitchell for KP trade.

Maybe you could educate yourself a bit further before posting garbage.

So what? Why does Utah's refusal to trade for a heavy injury risk player with character issues preclude them from trading for a healthy player with character issues? There are people posting tweets comparing Dennis Smith Jr with Jordan with Magic. So do you think he is that good? And Utah wouldn't trade Mitchell for that?

The only person on this planet that thinks Utah giving up Mitchell in that scenario is you

Didn't suggest it had to be one for one. We have picks to offer with DSJR. Mitchell is a better player so will drive higher value. Also not suggesting wr give away every first round pick for Mitchell. But I don't think it would hurt to know what combination of DSJR and picks would dislodge Mitchell. Then we don't need to trade if it's too high an asking price. It's possible they already know, but I have no way of knowing that.

Except that it was reported the Knicks explored KP for Mitchell and found out he was considered untouchable. If KP doesn’t get you Mitchell why would you think DSjr and others gets that deal done? You seem to be posting without any knowledge of what has transpired, the cba etc.

Because added first round picks can be more valuable than KP or DSJR, just because you are incapable of seeing that doesn't make it so.

No duh. But when are you getting back to reality? Mitchell ain't getting moved and Knicks weren't gonna empty their first rounders enough to have Utah accept.


Agree. The notion that "added first round picks" makes any bit of difference in aquiring an "Untouchable" and probably the most promising star in Utah in decades is short sighted. Specially when trading that for a roll of the dice in the Lotto draft. It would also be short sighted for Knicks to look to give away draft picks instead of adding draft picks in a KP scenario. Not surprised previous poster can let go of his bad ideas.

In regards to KP, Utah was also concerned they would not be able to sign him long term. Don't think it was purely based on the fact they thought KP would not turn out to be or was not as good as Mitchell. But again, the Knicks were alledgedly told Mitchell was "Untouchable". Believe they ere also told the same, by Sacramento, in regards to Deandre Fox.

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2/10/2019  10:49 AM
I’m inclined to see what DSjr can be before trading to upgrade.
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