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meloshouldgo
Posts: 26565 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 5/3/2014 Member: #5801 |
2/2/2019 2:20 PM
newyorknewyork wrote:meloshouldgo wrote:GustavBahler wrote:meloshouldgo wrote:StarksEwing1 wrote:GustavBahler wrote:https://www.mavsmoneyball.com/platform/amp/2019/2/2/18206290/the-unexpected-path-of-dennis-smith-jr-kristaps-porzingis-mavericks-nba-trade-deadlineYou could be right about chemistry. Look ive made it known that im not a huge DSJ fan but there is no question he has offensive ability and is still very young. If we can somehow get him to work more on distribution and at least a little defense it could be a lot of fun. Which shows Carlisle at least doesn't put his own ego before his team - think Dennis smith Jrlearned anything from that? NOT LIKELY I cannot teach anybody anything. I can only try to make them think - Socrates
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GustavBahler
Posts: 41138 Alba Posts: 15 Joined: 7/12/2010 Member: #3186 |
2/2/2019 3:44 PM LAST EDITED: 2/2/2019 3:45 PM
meloshouldgo wrote:GustavBahler wrote:meloshouldgo wrote:StarksEwing1 wrote:GustavBahler wrote:https://www.mavsmoneyball.com/platform/amp/2019/2/2/18206290/the-unexpected-path-of-dennis-smith-jr-kristaps-porzingis-mavericks-nba-trade-deadlineYou could be right about chemistry. Look ive made it known that im not a huge DSJ fan but there is no question he has offensive ability and is still very young. If we can somehow get him to work more on distribution and at least a little defense it could be a lot of fun. Who says Carlisle didnt want to apologize? Who says Carlisle didnt do anything worth apologizing for? You are putting whatever happened on a kid, and giving mgmt, coaching, a complete pass. Carlisle took responsibility for not handling the situation the best way he could. Players dont respect coaches, organizations who pass the buck. Shows a lack of character to let a kid believe its all on him. Carlisle is one of the toughest coaches to play for in NBA history. He's admitted that sometimes he doesnt get it right. Remember that huge dustup he got into with Rondo? Championship winning PG? Dont remember Carlisle apologizing for that. Im old school as well. Never did buy into the idea that if a coach f's up somehow, he's supposed to act like he did nothing wrong, pin it on his players. Treating players with respect doesnt make them "entitled". Frank was brought along gradually, which was the right thing to do. If he had been thrust into the starting job from day one, I doubt he would have performed as well. Wasnt ready. Just because Smith jr. didnt figure it all out his rookie year, doesnt mean he cant excel. You are writing the kid's epitath before he has played game one for the Knicks. He was supplanted by one of the best rookies to come around in years, with a very brief chance to make it work. Glad that Dallas isnt the last opportunity that he will ever get in this league. Smith is an amazing athlete who has to learn to combine his athleticism, with a more well rounded game. Glad he's getting the chance in NY to prove he can run a team long term. Havent seen anyone on the Knicks yet wbo has shown he can for more than a handful of games. You should welcome the competition. |
CrushAlot
Posts: 59764 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 7/25/2003 Member: #452 USA |
2/2/2019 3:49 PM
GustavBahler wrote:Well said. Also, Carlisle was fired from the Pistons in part because he did not relate well to players. Carlisle clashed with Kidd as well. Was Kidd a bad apple?meloshouldgo wrote:GustavBahler wrote:meloshouldgo wrote:StarksEwing1 wrote:GustavBahler wrote:https://www.mavsmoneyball.com/platform/amp/2019/2/2/18206290/the-unexpected-path-of-dennis-smith-jr-kristaps-porzingis-mavericks-nba-trade-deadlineYou could be right about chemistry. Look ive made it known that im not a huge DSJ fan but there is no question he has offensive ability and is still very young. If we can somehow get him to work more on distribution and at least a little defense it could be a lot of fun. I'm tired,I'm tired, I'm so tired right now......Kristaps Porzingis 1/3/18
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Uptown
Posts: 30878 Alba Posts: 3 Joined: 4/1/2008 Member: #1883 |
2/2/2019 4:40 PM
GustavBahler wrote:meloshouldgo wrote:GustavBahler wrote:meloshouldgo wrote:StarksEwing1 wrote:GustavBahler wrote:https://www.mavsmoneyball.com/platform/amp/2019/2/2/18206290/the-unexpected-path-of-dennis-smith-jr-kristaps-porzingis-mavericks-nba-trade-deadlineYou could be right about chemistry. Look ive made it known that im not a huge DSJ fan but there is no question he has offensive ability and is still very young. If we can somehow get him to work more on distribution and at least a little defense it could be a lot of fun. Agreed...its amazing how Frank can shoot 34% from the field, average 6 pts per for 2 straight years and everyone screams to be patient because he is 21...yet, Dennis Smith is treated like a finished product despite being a few months older than Frank.. |
newyorknewyork
Posts: 29848 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 1/16/2004 Member: #541 |
2/2/2019 5:26 PM
Uptown wrote:GustavBahler wrote:meloshouldgo wrote:GustavBahler wrote:meloshouldgo wrote:StarksEwing1 wrote:GustavBahler wrote:https://www.mavsmoneyball.com/platform/amp/2019/2/2/18206290/the-unexpected-path-of-dennis-smith-jr-kristaps-porzingis-mavericks-nba-trade-deadlineYou could be right about chemistry. Look ive made it known that im not a huge DSJ fan but there is no question he has offensive ability and is still very young. If we can somehow get him to work more on distribution and at least a little defense it could be a lot of fun. The issue isnt based on Smiths talent level. His potential red flags are more deadly just like his potential talent and skill level are star level . Frank can not pan out as a prospect and he would end up just getting phased out. Smith on the hand even if he develops himself into a highly productive player. May not fit into a team concept. Could have the type of enigma type of talent/personality/character that could cause divide. Or force the team to have to build in specific ways to accommodate. These things may not happen and are worst case scenario type of things but are honest conversations. Things that were discussed during the draft kind of reared his head for Dallas which was a great situation for him. Championship head coach, all time great mentor, quality vets, phenom Co star. If he isn't comfortable being a 2nd or 3rd option. That could potentially major issue. Would he be able to get along with Zion if Zion come here and produces similar to Luca and takes NY by storm? https://vote.nba.com/en Vote for your Knicks.
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ramtour420
Posts: 25910 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 3/19/2007 Member: #1388 Russian Federation |
2/2/2019 5:45 PM
newyorknewyork wrote:Uptown wrote:GustavBahler wrote:meloshouldgo wrote:GustavBahler wrote:meloshouldgo wrote:StarksEwing1 wrote:GustavBahler wrote:https://www.mavsmoneyball.com/platform/amp/2019/2/2/18206290/the-unexpected-path-of-dennis-smith-jr-kristaps-porzingis-mavericks-nba-trade-deadlineYou could be right about chemistry. Look ive made it known that im not a huge DSJ fan but there is no question he has offensive ability and is still very young. If we can somehow get him to work more on distribution and at least a little defense it could be a lot of fun. You mean Zion becomes our PG of the future? Everything you have ever wanted is on the other side of fear- George Adair
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meloshouldgo
Posts: 26565 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 5/3/2014 Member: #5801 |
2/2/2019 5:47 PM
GustavBahler wrote:meloshouldgo wrote:GustavBahler wrote:meloshouldgo wrote:StarksEwing1 wrote:GustavBahler wrote:https://www.mavsmoneyball.com/platform/amp/2019/2/2/18206290/the-unexpected-path-of-dennis-smith-jr-kristaps-porzingis-mavericks-nba-trade-deadlineYou could be right about chemistry. Look ive made it known that im not a huge DSJ fan but there is no question he has offensive ability and is still very young. If we can somehow get him to work more on distribution and at least a little defense it could be a lot of fun. Wait what? Ok so why don't you explain what happened and how Carlisle ****ed up? And what he did that required apologizing? Do you realize Dennis Smith intentionally ignored plays that were being called for him because he was upset at losing his starting job to a player light years better than him? That's not entitled behavior from a fukking 19 or old? Keep off the hyperbole. I cannot teach anybody anything. I can only try to make them think - Socrates
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GustavBahler
Posts: 41138 Alba Posts: 15 Joined: 7/12/2010 Member: #3186 |
2/2/2019 5:51 PM
newyorknewyork wrote:Uptown wrote:GustavBahler wrote:meloshouldgo wrote:GustavBahler wrote:meloshouldgo wrote:StarksEwing1 wrote:GustavBahler wrote:https://www.mavsmoneyball.com/platform/amp/2019/2/2/18206290/the-unexpected-path-of-dennis-smith-jr-kristaps-porzingis-mavericks-nba-trade-deadlineYou could be right about chemistry. Look ive made it known that im not a huge DSJ fan but there is no question he has offensive ability and is still very young. If we can somehow get him to work more on distribution and at least a little defense it could be a lot of fun. Could turn out to be that it was more about getting used to playing off the ball. Putting a 19 year old in charge of an NBA offense from day one was bound to get ugly, unless you're someone like Doncic. We heard about Frank's pro experience before the draft, Doncic was the real deal. Ive played plenty of pickup bball where I didnt click with teammates who were my friends, and trying to be good teammates. From what Ive read Doncic and Smith jr were on good terms. Sometimes its just about chemistry. Too early to tell IMO. |
newyorknewyork
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2/2/2019 6:07 PM LAST EDITED: 2/2/2019 6:08 PM
GustavBahler wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:Uptown wrote:GustavBahler wrote:meloshouldgo wrote:GustavBahler wrote:meloshouldgo wrote:StarksEwing1 wrote:GustavBahler wrote:https://www.mavsmoneyball.com/platform/amp/2019/2/2/18206290/the-unexpected-path-of-dennis-smith-jr-kristaps-porzingis-mavericks-nba-trade-deadlineYou could be right about chemistry. Look ive made it known that im not a huge DSJ fan but there is no question he has offensive ability and is still very young. If we can somehow get him to work more on distribution and at least a little defense it could be a lot of fun. I was just explaining and creating understanding the push back with Smith in comparison toward Frank. It's a different set of concerns. Smiths concerns are more dangerous imo. He is the more talented prospect. But I actually like Smith and since he is on the Knicks I'm hoping for the best. But the concerns given Knicks history is understandable. I'm hoping he balls out and we get Zion and they ball our together and we use the cap space and field a team 9 deep and we take the league by storm next year. Why not https://vote.nba.com/en Vote for your Knicks.
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GustavBahler
Posts: 41138 Alba Posts: 15 Joined: 7/12/2010 Member: #3186 |
2/2/2019 6:07 PM LAST EDITED: 2/2/2019 6:12 PM
meloshouldgo wrote:GustavBahler wrote:meloshouldgo wrote:GustavBahler wrote:meloshouldgo wrote:StarksEwing1 wrote:GustavBahler wrote:https://www.mavsmoneyball.com/platform/amp/2019/2/2/18206290/the-unexpected-path-of-dennis-smith-jr-kristaps-porzingis-mavericks-nba-trade-deadlineYou could be right about chemistry. Look ive made it known that im not a huge DSJ fan but there is no question he has offensive ability and is still very young. If we can somehow get him to work more on distribution and at least a little defense it could be a lot of fun. When was this? The second they saw what they had with Doncic, it looks like they were falling over themselves to turn the team over to him. Making a transition to Doncic as the focal point of the offense, was the right thing to do. The way the way they went about doing that might have been badly handled. Smith jr. a few months earlier was being groomed as the PG/Floor general of the future, and like that its gone. Dont believe its hyperbole to say that Carlisle may have been too business like about it, and not factoring in Smith jr's age, and what he was told not long ago. As far as hyperbole "one dimensional chucker" isnt exactly in depth analysis. Believe you're being a bit hasty here. And I cant get a refund on the DSJ uniform I bought you! |
newyorknewyork
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2/2/2019 6:20 PM LAST EDITED: 2/2/2019 6:20 PM
ramtour420 wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:Uptown wrote:GustavBahler wrote:meloshouldgo wrote:GustavBahler wrote:meloshouldgo wrote:StarksEwing1 wrote:GustavBahler wrote:https://www.mavsmoneyball.com/platform/amp/2019/2/2/18206290/the-unexpected-path-of-dennis-smith-jr-kristaps-porzingis-mavericks-nba-trade-deadlineYou could be right about chemistry. Look ive made it known that im not a huge DSJ fan but there is no question he has offensive ability and is still very young. If we can somehow get him to work more on distribution and at least a little defense it could be a lot of fun. Zion has point forward potential. Positions mean less in todays NBA. Luca lines up at PF but gets the usage and responsibility of a PG. Zion isn't gonna be just a finisher. He will be given tons of Lee way to facilitate and lead fast breaks off rebounds. Etc https://vote.nba.com/en Vote for your Knicks.
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meloshouldgo
Posts: 26565 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 5/3/2014 Member: #5801 |
2/3/2019 10:52 AM LAST EDITED: 2/3/2019 11:02 AM
GustavBahler wrote:meloshouldgo wrote:GustavBahler wrote:meloshouldgo wrote:GustavBahler wrote:meloshouldgo wrote:StarksEwing1 wrote:GustavBahler wrote:https://www.mavsmoneyball.com/platform/amp/2019/2/2/18206290/the-unexpected-path-of-dennis-smith-jr-kristaps-porzingis-mavericks-nba-trade-deadlineYou could be right about chemistry. Look ive made it known that im not a huge DSJ fan but there is no question he has offensive ability and is still very young. If we can somehow get him to work more on distribution and at least a little defense it could be a lot of fun. I asked you what did Carlisle do that needed apologizing for. Simple question. No answer. Why is handing the offense over to the better player considered ****ing up? You got nothing. He had a full season to show he could be a PG and he didn't. So yes he should accept taking a back seat till he is already able to show that he had the goods.And no shooting 14ppg isn't the criteria for being a PG, it requires passing and setting up the offense. "He is very athletic, but he’s not a playmaker and not a great shooter," one front office executive told SN. "If you have money under the cap this offseason (the Suns and Magic will), there are other guys you can pursue who fit better, who can pass and score." A 21 year old whose best season was scoring 14 PPG and 4 assists with 3 TOs can't accept a lesser role in the team or lesser shot attempts. And you are happy he is here? Sounds about right. I should welcome the competition????? You mean like this- Smith jr. a few months earlier was being groomed as the PG/Floor general of the future, and like that its gone. Dont believe its hyperbole to say that Carlisle may have been too business like about it, and not factoring in Smith jr's age, and what he was told not long ago.
I cannot teach anybody anything. I can only try to make them think - Socrates
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GustavBahler
Posts: 41138 Alba Posts: 15 Joined: 7/12/2010 Member: #3186 |
2/3/2019 11:11 AM
meloshouldgo wrote:GustavBahler wrote:meloshouldgo wrote:GustavBahler wrote:meloshouldgo wrote:GustavBahler wrote:meloshouldgo wrote:StarksEwing1 wrote:GustavBahler wrote:https://www.mavsmoneyball.com/platform/amp/2019/2/2/18206290/the-unexpected-path-of-dennis-smith-jr-kristaps-porzingis-mavericks-nba-trade-deadlineYou could be right about chemistry. Look ive made it known that im not a huge DSJ fan but there is no question he has offensive ability and is still very young. If we can somehow get him to work more on distribution and at least a little defense it could be a lot of fun. You want to carry on a conversation like a 12 year old, have at it. You always go there, no one insulted you. Not worth my time. |
Welpee
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2/3/2019 11:19 AM
GustavBahler wrote:Everybody he doesn't like gets labeled "one dimensional chucker."meloshouldgo wrote:GustavBahler wrote:meloshouldgo wrote:GustavBahler wrote:meloshouldgo wrote:StarksEwing1 wrote:GustavBahler wrote:https://www.mavsmoneyball.com/platform/amp/2019/2/2/18206290/the-unexpected-path-of-dennis-smith-jr-kristaps-porzingis-mavericks-nba-trade-deadlineYou could be right about chemistry. Look ive made it known that im not a huge DSJ fan but there is no question he has offensive ability and is still very young. If we can somehow get him to work more on distribution and at least a little defense it could be a lot of fun. |
meloshouldgo
Posts: 26565 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 5/3/2014 Member: #5801 |
2/3/2019 11:34 AM
Welpee wrote:GustavBahler wrote:Everybody he doesn't like gets labeled "one dimensional chucker."meloshouldgo wrote:GustavBahler wrote:meloshouldgo wrote:GustavBahler wrote:meloshouldgo wrote:StarksEwing1 wrote:GustavBahler wrote:https://www.mavsmoneyball.com/platform/amp/2019/2/2/18206290/the-unexpected-path-of-dennis-smith-jr-kristaps-porzingis-mavericks-nba-trade-deadlineYou could be right about chemistry. Look ive made it known that im not a huge DSJ fan but there is no question he has offensive ability and is still very young. If we can somehow get him to work more on distribution and at least a little defense it could be a lot of fun. No just that the Knicks are the rehabilitation center for the ones that actually are one dimensional chuckers. Melo, Rose, THJR, Mudiay, Burke, Smith is an endless list of them. It's a disease I cannot teach anybody anything. I can only try to make them think - Socrates
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meloshouldgo
Posts: 26565 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 5/3/2014 Member: #5801 |
2/3/2019 11:37 AM
GustavBahler wrote:meloshouldgo wrote:GustavBahler wrote:meloshouldgo wrote:GustavBahler wrote:meloshouldgo wrote:GustavBahler wrote:meloshouldgo wrote:StarksEwing1 wrote:GustavBahler wrote:https://www.mavsmoneyball.com/platform/amp/2019/2/2/18206290/the-unexpected-path-of-dennis-smith-jr-kristaps-porzingis-mavericks-nba-trade-deadlineYou could be right about chemistry. Look ive made it known that im not a huge DSJ fan but there is no question he has offensive ability and is still very young. If we can somehow get him to work more on distribution and at least a little defense it could be a lot of fun. I said you would look stupid in 2 years. That was insulting like a 12 year old? I cannot teach anybody anything. I can only try to make them think - Socrates
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