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1/25/2019  10:15 PM
good to see the guys continuing their selfish play, terrible shot selection, piss poor defense and no hustling..

Gotta love the way fiz got these guys to buy in to tanking and playing like retards

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1/25/2019  10:27 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/25/2019  10:31 PM
One of the most real & best press conference I've heard right there from Fiz.

Props due.

That's why he's a coach for us.

Didn't throw Kanter under the bus, but said things are the way they are and didn't hide.

Also bigged up Frank for those thinking he's against him.

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1/25/2019  10:28 PM
knicks1248 wrote:good to see the guys continuing their selfish play, terrible shot selection, piss poor defense and no hustling..

Gotta love the way fiz got these guys to buy in to tanking and playing like retards

Remember,it is not what players have been talked into. It is what has been allowed.

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Sangfroid wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:good to see the guys continuing their selfish play, terrible shot selection, piss poor defense and no hustling..

Gotta love the way fiz got these guys to buy in to tanking and playing like retards

Remember,it is not what players have been talked into. It is what has been allowed.

accountability...not around these parts, just excuses

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1/26/2019  8:21 AM
It really is a pretty upsetting message to send. Yes, it’s really good to get Zion but our chances are super low even with the worst record. So for this gamble, we are sending these messages to the league. We can treat our vets like crap. Our 2 most promising players aren’t showing much development. What makes us think Kristaps will want to stay and what makes us think that ANY free agents will want to play here.

Let me be the first to say this. If we get a top 3 losing record, don’t secure KP, no free agents and end up with the 6th or 7th pick, then Mills, Perry AND Fiz should be fired. I am concerned that this is a more than likely scenario too.

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Allanfan20 wrote:It really is a pretty upsetting message to send. Yes, it’s really good to get Zion but our chances are super low even with the worst record. So for this gamble, we are sending these messages to the league. We can treat our vets like crap. Our 2 most promising players aren’t showing much development. What makes us think Kristaps will want to stay and what makes us think that ANY free agents will want to play here.

Let me be the first to say this. If we get a top 3 losing record, don’t secure KP, no free agents and end up with the 6th or 7th pick, then Mills, Perry AND Fiz should be fired. I am concerned that this is a more than likely scenario too.

If they get a top 3 losing record the only control they have is over how far they can fall back from #1. If the goal was to tank and get a good pick they would have done all they could. Porzingis will be secured. The worry is he signs an offer sheet with a 3 year deal with a player option for year 4. In regards to free agents coming, I hope they are cautious and don’t use the cap space if they can’t get a KD, Kawhi, or Kyrie. Maybe target a restricted free agent as a back up plan.
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1/26/2019  11:12 AM
You can’t trust Steve Mills. He mad two terrible moves in Baker and Hardaway on his first month on the job. Holiday who was clearly a more valuable asset signed for the same amount and was just traded for two second rounders.

Tim hasn’t been as big of a disaster but wasn’t needed, with Lee here. Having him benched and not showcasing him when we need to clear cap is a big problem.

This season has been a disaster, but what was the best case scenario? The more we win the more we loose.

We need to find a way to move/cut Mudiay and Kanter and find a taker for Hardaway. If we miss on free agents you look to Rondo or someone like that to stabilize the point and put the rest of the guys in the right position.

Honestly for as bad as we have been, we’ve taken the bucks, rockets, sixers down to the wire and have 7 games that could have gone either way. Some of this falls on coaching and lack of execution, but we have the second worst roster right now outside of Cleveland. If KP is healthy everyone’s job instantly gets easier, we are getting a top draft pick and once the expiring guys are up, everyone’s role becomes more defined. Our rookies get another season under their belt we are 5 seed pretty easily.

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MS wrote:You can’t trust Steve Mills. He mad two terrible moves in Baker and Hardaway on his first month on the job. Holiday who was clearly a more valuable asset signed for the same amount and was just traded for two second rounders.

Tim hasn’t been as big of a disaster but wasn’t needed, with Lee here. Having him benched and not showcasing him when we need to clear cap is a big problem.

This season has been a disaster, but what was the best case scenario? The more we win the more we loose.

We need to find a way to move/cut Mudiay and Kanter and find a taker for Hardaway. If we miss on free agents you look to Rondo or someone like that to stabilize the point and put the rest of the guys in the right position.

Honestly for as bad as we have been, we’ve taken the bucks, rockets, sixers down to the wire and have 7 games that could have gone either way. Some of this falls on coaching and lack of execution, but we have the second worst roster right now outside of Cleveland. If KP is healthy everyone’s job instantly gets easier, we are getting a top draft pick and once the expiring guys are up, everyone’s role becomes more defined. Our rookies get another season under their belt we are 5 seed pretty easily.

Luckily Perry is the GM, not Steve Mills

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martin wrote:
MS wrote:You can’t trust Steve Mills. He mad two terrible moves in Baker and Hardaway on his first month on the job. Holiday who was clearly a more valuable asset signed for the same amount and was just traded for two second rounders.

Tim hasn’t been as big of a disaster but wasn’t needed, with Lee here. Having him benched and not showcasing him when we need to clear cap is a big problem.

This season has been a disaster, but what was the best case scenario? The more we win the more we loose.

We need to find a way to move/cut Mudiay and Kanter and find a taker for Hardaway. If we miss on free agents you look to Rondo or someone like that to stabilize the point and put the rest of the guys in the right position.

Honestly for as bad as we have been, we’ve taken the bucks, rockets, sixers down to the wire and have 7 games that could have gone either way. Some of this falls on coaching and lack of execution, but we have the second worst roster right now outside of Cleveland. If KP is healthy everyone’s job instantly gets easier, we are getting a top draft pick and once the expiring guys are up, everyone’s role becomes more defined. Our rookies get another season under their belt we are 5 seed pretty easily.

Luckily Perry is the GM, not Steve Mills

Thats hardly comforting.

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Oh yeah, why so? Feel like he did pretty well so far.

Draft was excellent. Signed some low cost free agents. Melo trade was as good as you can get.

What else?


Vmart wrote:
martin wrote:
MS wrote:You can’t trust Steve Mills. He mad two terrible moves in Baker and Hardaway on his first month on the job. Holiday who was clearly a more valuable asset signed for the same amount and was just traded for two second rounders.

Tim hasn’t been as big of a disaster but wasn’t needed, with Lee here. Having him benched and not showcasing him when we need to clear cap is a big problem.

This season has been a disaster, but what was the best case scenario? The more we win the more we loose.

We need to find a way to move/cut Mudiay and Kanter and find a taker for Hardaway. If we miss on free agents you look to Rondo or someone like that to stabilize the point and put the rest of the guys in the right position.

Honestly for as bad as we have been, we’ve taken the bucks, rockets, sixers down to the wire and have 7 games that could have gone either way. Some of this falls on coaching and lack of execution, but we have the second worst roster right now outside of Cleveland. If KP is healthy everyone’s job instantly gets easier, we are getting a top draft pick and once the expiring guys are up, everyone’s role becomes more defined. Our rookies get another season under their belt we are 5 seed pretty easily.

Luckily Perry is the GM, not Steve Mills

Thats hardly comforting.

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martin wrote:Oh yeah, why so? Feel like he did pretty well so far.

Draft was excellent. Signed some low cost free agents. Melo trade was as good as you can get.

What else?


Vmart wrote:
martin wrote:
MS wrote:You can’t trust Steve Mills. He mad two terrible moves in Baker and Hardaway on his first month on the job. Holiday who was clearly a more valuable asset signed for the same amount and was just traded for two second rounders.

Tim hasn’t been as big of a disaster but wasn’t needed, with Lee here. Having him benched and not showcasing him when we need to clear cap is a big problem.

This season has been a disaster, but what was the best case scenario? The more we win the more we loose.

We need to find a way to move/cut Mudiay and Kanter and find a taker for Hardaway. If we miss on free agents you look to Rondo or someone like that to stabilize the point and put the rest of the guys in the right position.

Honestly for as bad as we have been, we’ve taken the bucks, rockets, sixers down to the wire and have 7 games that could have gone either way. Some of this falls on coaching and lack of execution, but we have the second worst roster right now outside of Cleveland. If KP is healthy everyone’s job instantly gets easier, we are getting a top draft pick and once the expiring guys are up, everyone’s role becomes more defined. Our rookies get another season under their belt we are 5 seed pretty easily.

Luckily Perry is the GM, not Steve Mills

Thats hardly comforting.

Drafting knox who seems to have the motor issue everyone talked about, and plays with his head down straight to the basket..C-

Trading disgruntled melo for now disgruntled kanter who is a worse defender..

Perry does nothing without Mills approval,

you think perrys Idea to keep frank...please, that's MILLs and his pride

You like fiz system, rotation, development, the horrendous defense, or approving ISO play as the thing to do.

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1/26/2019  4:45 PM
knicks1248 wrote:
martin wrote:Oh yeah, why so? Feel like he did pretty well so far.

Draft was excellent. Signed some low cost free agents. Melo trade was as good as you can get.

What else?


Vmart wrote:
martin wrote:
MS wrote:You can’t trust Steve Mills. He mad two terrible moves in Baker and Hardaway on his first month on the job. Holiday who was clearly a more valuable asset signed for the same amount and was just traded for two second rounders.

Tim hasn’t been as big of a disaster but wasn’t needed, with Lee here. Having him benched and not showcasing him when we need to clear cap is a big problem.

This season has been a disaster, but what was the best case scenario? The more we win the more we loose.

We need to find a way to move/cut Mudiay and Kanter and find a taker for Hardaway. If we miss on free agents you look to Rondo or someone like that to stabilize the point and put the rest of the guys in the right position.

Honestly for as bad as we have been, we’ve taken the bucks, rockets, sixers down to the wire and have 7 games that could have gone either way. Some of this falls on coaching and lack of execution, but we have the second worst roster right now outside of Cleveland. If KP is healthy everyone’s job instantly gets easier, we are getting a top draft pick and once the expiring guys are up, everyone’s role becomes more defined. Our rookies get another season under their belt we are 5 seed pretty easily.

Luckily Perry is the GM, not Steve Mills

Thats hardly comforting.

Drafting knox who seems to have the motor issue everyone talked about, and plays with his head down straight to the basket..C-

Trading disgruntled melo for now disgruntled kanter who is a worse defender..

Perry does nothing without Mills approval,

you think perrys Idea to keep frank...please, that's MILLs and his pride

You like fiz system, rotation, development, the horrendous defense, or approving ISO play as the thing to do.

Knox was rookie of the month for December. For a 19 year old, he is progressing nicely. Who was on the board that you have taken instead?

Melo is no longer in the league. Teams are buying him out or sending him home because his value is so low. Kanter is an expiring and can be a great asset as we get close to the trade deadline. What was the better trade for Melo since you claim the Kanter claim didn't work out?

How do you know the daily operations of what Perry and Mills do?

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1/26/2019  5:07 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/26/2019  5:08 PM
Uptown wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
martin wrote:Oh yeah, why so? Feel like he did pretty well so far.

Draft was excellent. Signed some low cost free agents. Melo trade was as good as you can get.

What else?


Vmart wrote:
martin wrote:
MS wrote:You can’t trust Steve Mills. He mad two terrible moves in Baker and Hardaway on his first month on the job. Holiday who was clearly a more valuable asset signed for the same amount and was just traded for two second rounders.

Tim hasn’t been as big of a disaster but wasn’t needed, with Lee here. Having him benched and not showcasing him when we need to clear cap is a big problem.

This season has been a disaster, but what was the best case scenario? The more we win the more we loose.

We need to find a way to move/cut Mudiay and Kanter and find a taker for Hardaway. If we miss on free agents you look to Rondo or someone like that to stabilize the point and put the rest of the guys in the right position.

Honestly for as bad as we have been, we’ve taken the bucks, rockets, sixers down to the wire and have 7 games that could have gone either way. Some of this falls on coaching and lack of execution, but we have the second worst roster right now outside of Cleveland. If KP is healthy everyone’s job instantly gets easier, we are getting a top draft pick and once the expiring guys are up, everyone’s role becomes more defined. Our rookies get another season under their belt we are 5 seed pretty easily.

Luckily Perry is the GM, not Steve Mills

Thats hardly comforting.

Drafting knox who seems to have the motor issue everyone talked about, and plays with his head down straight to the basket..C-

Trading disgruntled melo for now disgruntled kanter who is a worse defender..

Perry does nothing without Mills approval,

you think perrys Idea to keep frank...please, that's MILLs and his pride

You like fiz system, rotation, development, the horrendous defense, or approving ISO play as the thing to do.

Knox was rookie of the month for December. For a 19 year old, he is progressing nicely. Who was on the board that you have taken instead?

Melo is no longer in the league. Teams are buying him out or sending him home because his value is so low. Kanter is an expiring and can be a great asset as we get close to the trade deadline. What was the better trade for Melo since you claim the Kanter claim didn't work out?

How do you know the daily operations of what Perry and Mills do?

He doesnt believe in drafting or youth. He feels you should trade those assets for veterans and you are a championship contender
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1/26/2019  6:02 PM
Uptown wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
martin wrote:Oh yeah, why so? Feel like he did pretty well so far.

Draft was excellent. Signed some low cost free agents. Melo trade was as good as you can get.

What else?


Vmart wrote:
martin wrote:
MS wrote:You can’t trust Steve Mills. He mad two terrible moves in Baker and Hardaway on his first month on the job. Holiday who was clearly a more valuable asset signed for the same amount and was just traded for two second rounders.

Tim hasn’t been as big of a disaster but wasn’t needed, with Lee here. Having him benched and not showcasing him when we need to clear cap is a big problem.

This season has been a disaster, but what was the best case scenario? The more we win the more we loose.

We need to find a way to move/cut Mudiay and Kanter and find a taker for Hardaway. If we miss on free agents you look to Rondo or someone like that to stabilize the point and put the rest of the guys in the right position.

Honestly for as bad as we have been, we’ve taken the bucks, rockets, sixers down to the wire and have 7 games that could have gone either way. Some of this falls on coaching and lack of execution, but we have the second worst roster right now outside of Cleveland. If KP is healthy everyone’s job instantly gets easier, we are getting a top draft pick and once the expiring guys are up, everyone’s role becomes more defined. Our rookies get another season under their belt we are 5 seed pretty easily.

Luckily Perry is the GM, not Steve Mills

Thats hardly comforting.

Drafting knox who seems to have the motor issue everyone talked about, and plays with his head down straight to the basket..C-

Trading disgruntled melo for now disgruntled kanter who is a worse defender..

Perry does nothing without Mills approval,

you think perrys Idea to keep frank...please, that's MILLs and his pride

You like fiz system, rotation, development, the horrendous defense, or approving ISO play as the thing to do.

Knox was rookie of the month for December. For a 19 year old, he is progressing nicely. Who was on the board that you have taken instead?

Melo is no longer in the league. Teams are buying him out or sending him home because his value is so low. Kanter is an expiring and can be a great asset as we get close to the trade deadline. What was the better trade for Melo since you claim the Kanter claim didn't work out?

How do you know the daily operations of what Perry and Mills do?


Well said. I can see not trusting Mills as a fan because he has a resume with the Knicks that was awful until he hired Perry. Perry has done a great job in my opinion.
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CrushAlot wrote:
Uptown wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
martin wrote:Oh yeah, why so? Feel like he did pretty well so far.

Draft was excellent. Signed some low cost free agents. Melo trade was as good as you can get.

What else?


Vmart wrote:
martin wrote:
MS wrote:You can’t trust Steve Mills. He mad two terrible moves in Baker and Hardaway on his first month on the job. Holiday who was clearly a more valuable asset signed for the same amount and was just traded for two second rounders.

Tim hasn’t been as big of a disaster but wasn’t needed, with Lee here. Having him benched and not showcasing him when we need to clear cap is a big problem.

This season has been a disaster, but what was the best case scenario? The more we win the more we loose.

We need to find a way to move/cut Mudiay and Kanter and find a taker for Hardaway. If we miss on free agents you look to Rondo or someone like that to stabilize the point and put the rest of the guys in the right position.

Honestly for as bad as we have been, we’ve taken the bucks, rockets, sixers down to the wire and have 7 games that could have gone either way. Some of this falls on coaching and lack of execution, but we have the second worst roster right now outside of Cleveland. If KP is healthy everyone’s job instantly gets easier, we are getting a top draft pick and once the expiring guys are up, everyone’s role becomes more defined. Our rookies get another season under their belt we are 5 seed pretty easily.

Luckily Perry is the GM, not Steve Mills

Thats hardly comforting.

Drafting knox who seems to have the motor issue everyone talked about, and plays with his head down straight to the basket..C-

Trading disgruntled melo for now disgruntled kanter who is a worse defender..

Perry does nothing without Mills approval,

you think perrys Idea to keep frank...please, that's MILLs and his pride

You like fiz system, rotation, development, the horrendous defense, or approving ISO play as the thing to do.

Knox was rookie of the month for December. For a 19 year old, he is progressing nicely. Who was on the board that you have taken instead?

Melo is no longer in the league. Teams are buying him out or sending him home because his value is so low. Kanter is an expiring and can be a great asset as we get close to the trade deadline. What was the better trade for Melo since you claim the Kanter claim didn't work out?

How do you know the daily operations of what Perry and Mills do?


Well said. I can see not trusting Mills as a fan because he has a resume with the Knicks that was awful until he hired Perry. Perry has done a great job in my opinion.
Agreed. Perry has made good moves
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1/26/2019  8:12 PM
knicks1248 wrote:
martin wrote:Oh yeah, why so? Feel like he did pretty well so far.

Draft was excellent. Signed some low cost free agents. Melo trade was as good as you can get.

What else?


Vmart wrote:
martin wrote:
MS wrote:You can’t trust Steve Mills. He mad two terrible moves in Baker and Hardaway on his first month on the job. Holiday who was clearly a more valuable asset signed for the same amount and was just traded for two second rounders.

Tim hasn’t been as big of a disaster but wasn’t needed, with Lee here. Having him benched and not showcasing him when we need to clear cap is a big problem.

This season has been a disaster, but what was the best case scenario? The more we win the more we loose.

We need to find a way to move/cut Mudiay and Kanter and find a taker for Hardaway. If we miss on free agents you look to Rondo or someone like that to stabilize the point and put the rest of the guys in the right position.

Honestly for as bad as we have been, we’ve taken the bucks, rockets, sixers down to the wire and have 7 games that could have gone either way. Some of this falls on coaching and lack of execution, but we have the second worst roster right now outside of Cleveland. If KP is healthy everyone’s job instantly gets easier, we are getting a top draft pick and once the expiring guys are up, everyone’s role becomes more defined. Our rookies get another season under their belt we are 5 seed pretty easily.

Luckily Perry is the GM, not Steve Mills

Thats hardly comforting.

Drafting knox who seems to have the motor issue everyone talked about, and plays with his head down straight to the basket..C-

Trading disgruntled melo for now disgruntled kanter who is a worse defender..

Perry does nothing without Mills approval,

you think perrys Idea to keep frank...please, that's MILLs and his pride

You like fiz system, rotation, development, the horrendous defense, or approving ISO play as the thing to do.

What does your response have to do with what Perry has done in his tenure as a Knicks GM?

Feel free to actually respond to the topic

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