I like to judge the players based on how they would play off KP and possibly another star.

KP, second all star, Knox, THJ, Frank
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KP, second all star, Knox, DSJ, Wes

When KP was healthy last year both THJ and Frank looked way better playing off him

That being said, Frank has been underwhelming this season and a change of scenery might be beneficical to both, who knows.

nyknickzingis wrote:Problem with this team is that people judge many of the players
Without Porzingis

I like to judge the players based on how they would play off KP and possibly another star.

KP, second all star, Knox, THJ, Frank
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KP, second all star, Knox, DSJ, Wes

When KP was healthy last year both THJ and Frank looked way better playing off him

Yes Hardaway Jr. and Frank > Wes Matthews and Smith but
2 years of 23 million in cap space and late first by trading Dennis Smith Jr. > Frank and Hardaway Jr.

However the Mavericks are not this stupid.

TripleThreat wrote:

Nalod wrote:Who besides fans has said THjr contract is awful? Im not saying I am happy with his play but as I have said many times its not on him to carry the team. I think he would benefit from being on a better team. Dumb statement, what player isn't?

In resource management terms, it's pretty awful.

In order for THJr to have value, he needs to be a 7th or 8th man in the rotation. I don't think he's consistent enough to be a true 6th man as some here claim. In order to "hide" a contract with an AAV that punitive ( and it has a trade kicker to boot), you'd need 3-4 guys outperforming their rookie deals and staggered so as not to create a cap question bunched up in one offseason.

It means you'd need to draft extremely well in consecutive years with NO MISSES in a short time frame and have all those guys produce that outstrips their rookie contracts exponentially.

Essentially , you'd need the Durant/Westbrook/Harden/Ibaka situation, but a contract like THJrs would have precluded them from getting a center. ( Rim protection cost different then...)

It's just very rare. The Seattle Seahawks built it's Super Bowl core in about 3 offseasons of unreal drafting and pan out rate.

It's awful because the conditions to actually contend/do extremely well in the playoffs with a THJr contract defies any kind of functional team building. Teams are gonna miss sometimes on picks. Even if they hit, most players don't hit the ground running in the NBA where THJr can hide as a 7th man.

People will cite other bad contracts given out near the same timeline.

WITH CURRENT MARKET CORRECTION, THJrs contract is just plain ****ing horrible. Knicks have tried to trade him since they signed him and no one wants him for a positive asset and the opportunity cost of the cap space implied.

I feel like this is ovious. People keep spinning Hardaway Jr. as a positive asset. If that were true at minuiumn we could trade him for an expiring contract. We can't so that should be pretty obvious its a bad contract. From my view trading Hardaway Jr will take a young player or a protected first. The only way a positive asset is not attached would be to a team that has a large expiring contract that would still be capped out the next 2 seasons even after shedding that player. For instance if Ian Mahinmi was an expiring contract. Maybe you trade Hardaway Jr. for him since the Wizards would lose that player for nothing.

Basically if someone wants Hardaway Jr for an expiring or even a small asset you say YES!!! You don't let that GM get off the phone until the paperwork is sent through and accepted by the league. You can't let them have a second to come off their crack high.

Here's a list of 20 of the top unrestricted FA's this upcoming year. We all know about striking out on lebron and ending up with STAT and how we splurged on Afflalo in the past. But pick 2 - any two. Does that not instantly make us significantly better? Fiz juice has to make our chances better at signing a top tier player.

Say we strike out on the top 5 but manage to get Middleton and Kemba Walker. Are we not instantly way better? Trading a future pick to dump THJ and keeping this years top 5 pick we could look at -

Kemba, Middleton , Knox, _____ , KP

What if we secured a big in FA - not a top tier one but how about from the bottom of the list - JV and Rubio - are we not instantly better?

Rubio, _____, Knox, KP, JV could the ____ be RJ?

This is with us expecting the worst. Any two of KD/Kyrie/Kwahi/Klay/Boogie would change our franchise overnight.

This is a mega FA class and attaching a future first if it means shedding THJ and Lee for an expiring deal is absolutely worth it. TradiAng Ntilikina in a package to shed these contracts is absolutely worth it.

As for filling out the rest of the roster - Vets always sign with playoff bound teams for less than their market value to have a championship run.

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https://twitter.com/shamscharania/status/1087139696612786176

CrushAlot wrote:

Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL:

https://twitter.com/shamscharania/status/1087139696612786176

Translation: The Mavs didn't get any good deals offered to them for DSJr, so time to make nice with their draft pick

Cartman718 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL:

https://twitter.com/shamscharania/status/1087139696612786176

Translation: The Mavs didn't get any good deals offered to them for DSJr, so time to make nice with their draft pick

I think you are probably right but I can’t remember ever hearing that Carlisle called to apologize to a player. Guys that feud with Carlisle are usually moved.

CrushAlot wrote:

Cartman718 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL:

https://twitter.com/shamscharania/status/1087139696612786176

Translation: The Mavs didn't get any good deals offered to them for DSJr, so time to make nice with their draft pick

I think you are probably right but I can’t remember ever hearing that Carlisle called to apologize to a player. Guys that feud with Carlisle are usually moved.

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/22190356/rick-carlisle-dallas-mavericks-apologizes-salah-mejri-angry-exchange

https://ftw.usatoday.com/2014/10/rick-carlisle-apologized-for-saying-chandler-parsons-was-overweight

Not a Mav’s follower but I would have thought the same. His pushback on Rondo was noteworthy.

CrushAlot wrote:

Cartman718 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL:

https://twitter.com/shamscharania/status/1087139696612786176

Translation: The Mavs didn't get any good deals offered to them for DSJr, so time to make nice with their draft pick

I think you are probably right but I can’t remember ever hearing that Carlisle called to apologize to a player. Guys that feud with Carlisle are usually moved.