Uptown wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:It's funny how the same people who were bitching about melo and amre, and mudiay, and THJ, have excuses for Knox.

The thing about fiz is that, he has no track record to look back on to even know wtf is his system, because this looks nothing LIKE a Riley or Spoelstra system or way of thinking

Give Fiz players like Magic, Kareem, Worthy, Ewing, Wade, LeBron and Bosh and then see if Fiz's system is anything like Riley or Spo...

Don't understand Knicks1248's point.

Melo was the first perennial All Star in 20 years that wanted to come here. We did not surround him with enough.
STAT was a good player with bad knees. He had a very good season for us.
Mudiay is a young good role player that was given up by another team and we picked up on the cheap. He has outplayed expectations.
Timmy is a very good offensive player that may be a good value at 12M to 15M per year. He was playing up to his contract at beginning of year and has tailed off with injuries.
Knox is showing signs of being one of our best draft picks in a long history of flops.

Don't see the correlation.

knicks1248 wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

Uptown wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:It's funny how the same people who were bitching about melo and amre, and mudiay, and THJ, have excuses for Knox.

The thing about fiz is that, he has no track record to look back on to even know wtf is his system, because this looks nothing LIKE a Riley or Spoelstra system or way of thinking

Give Fiz players like Magic, Kareem, Worthy, Ewing, Wade, LeBron and Bosh and then see if Fiz's system is anything like Riley or Spo...

Don't understand Knicks1248's point.

Melo was the first perennial All Star in 20 years that wanted to come here. We did not surround him with enough.
STAT was a good player with bad knees. He had a very good season for us.
Mudiay is a young good role player that was given up by another team and we picked up on the cheap. He has outplayed expectations.
Timmy is a very good offensive player that may be a good value at 12M to 15M per year. He was playing up to his contract at beginning of year and has tailed off with injuries.
Knox is showing signs of being one of our best draft picks in a long history of flops.

Don't see the correlation.

I never really had a problem with any of those guys, because they were proven scorers. But there have been plenty of folks who have killed those guys for never passing the ball and being black holes.

Now with Knox being a 19 yr old and quite a few other young players around him, you can see that everyone(except frank) is taking this same route. Don't get me wrong, I love is aggressiveness, but with no balance, you just become a one trick pony

He obviously thinks this is the way to win games or win ROY, and fiz said (which i think he's 100% right) these guys are playing for new contracts.

That's a Bad Habit to play that way, why not teach him how to set a real screen for his teammates to get open..

It was a reason melo had his best season playing with Jason KIDD, he moved the ball and himself that entire season. Kidd use to tell him, the ball will find you just keep moving moving and cutting once you give it up, it will find you again.

Again, your superimposing your Rainman thought synapse pattern to others.
You don't know what he is thinking.
You on the other hand explain yours and we still don't understand you.

HofstraBBall wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

Uptown wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:It's funny how the same people who were bitching about melo and amre, and mudiay, and THJ, have excuses for Knox.

The thing about fiz is that, he has no track record to look back on to even know wtf is his system, because this looks nothing LIKE a Riley or Spoelstra system or way of thinking

Give Fiz players like Magic, Kareem, Worthy, Ewing, Wade, LeBron and Bosh and then see if Fiz's system is anything like Riley or Spo...

Don't understand Knicks1248's point.

Melo was the first perennial All Star in 20 years that wanted to come here. We did not surround him with enough.
STAT was a good player with bad knees. He had a very good season for us.
Mudiay is a young good role player that was given up by another team and we picked up on the cheap. He has outplayed expectations.
Timmy is a very good offensive player that may be a good value at 12M to 15M per year. He was playing up to his contract at beginning of year and has tailed off with injuries.
Knox is showing signs of being one of our best draft picks in a long history of flops.

Don't see the correlation.

I never really had a problem with any of those guys, because they were proven scorers. But there have been plenty of folks who have killed those guys for never passing the ball and being black holes.

Now with Knox being a 19 yr old and quite a few other young players around him, you can see that everyone(except frank) is taking this same route. Don't get me wrong, I love is aggressiveness, but with no balance, you just become a one trick pony

He obviously thinks this is the way to win games or win ROY, and fiz said (which i think he's 100% right) these guys are playing for new contracts.

That's a Bad Habit to play that way, why not teach him how to set a real screen for his teammates to get open..

It was a reason melo had his best season playing with Jason KIDD, he moved the ball and himself that entire season. Kidd use to tell him, the ball will find you just keep moving moving and cutting once you give it up, it will find you again.

Fair enough.
Think the push back would be that he is in his first year. Its crazy but he is just a couple of years removed from playing high school ball. Yes, Kid has a lot to learn but I like the fact he is so young and yet playing in the NBA with such confidence. That is hard to teach. Just look at how Frank has struggled with that. He lacks confidence and he has played pro ball for several years.

Think you have to be more patient with what Knox, Frank and Fiz ultimately turn into. Judging anyone this early is hard to agree with. Its also safe to say that any coach in the NBA, including Fiz, would be struggling to show any kind of cohesiveness with this group of inexperienced players. As I do with my asset holdings, you have to know which ones are long term and which ones are a day trade. The Knicks assets are long term holdings. However, do think we are two to five years away from getting in the playoffs. If we get some help in FA and KP comes backs strong.

The knicks and denver, are the 2 youngest teams in the league at 24.4 yrs old , one is tied for the best record in the league, and one is tied for the 2nd worst record in the league.

Do know why the winning % gap is enormous ?

Nalod wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

Uptown wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:It's funny how the same people who were bitching about melo and amre, and mudiay, and THJ, have excuses for Knox.

The thing about fiz is that, he has no track record to look back on to even know wtf is his system, because this looks nothing LIKE a Riley or Spoelstra system or way of thinking

Give Fiz players like Magic, Kareem, Worthy, Ewing, Wade, LeBron and Bosh and then see if Fiz's system is anything like Riley or Spo...

Don't understand Knicks1248's point.

Melo was the first perennial All Star in 20 years that wanted to come here. We did not surround him with enough.
STAT was a good player with bad knees. He had a very good season for us.
Mudiay is a young good role player that was given up by another team and we picked up on the cheap. He has outplayed expectations.
Timmy is a very good offensive player that may be a good value at 12M to 15M per year. He was playing up to his contract at beginning of year and has tailed off with injuries.
Knox is showing signs of being one of our best draft picks in a long history of flops.

Don't see the correlation.

I never really had a problem with any of those guys, because they were proven scorers. But there have been plenty of folks who have killed those guys for never passing the ball and being black holes.

Now with Knox being a 19 yr old and quite a few other young players around him, you can see that everyone(except frank) is taking this same route. Don't get me wrong, I love is aggressiveness, but with no balance, you just become a one trick pony

He obviously thinks this is the way to win games or win ROY, and fiz said (which i think he's 100% right) these guys are playing for new contracts.

That's a Bad Habit to play that way, why not teach him how to set a real screen for his teammates to get open..

It was a reason melo had his best season playing with Jason KIDD, he moved the ball and himself that entire season. Kidd use to tell him, the ball will find you just keep moving moving and cutting once you give it up, it will find you again.

Fair enough.
Think the push back would be that he is in his first year. Its crazy but he is just a couple of years removed from playing high school ball. Yes, Kid has a lot to learn but I like the fact he is so young and yet playing in the NBA with such confidence. That is hard to teach. Just look at how Frank has struggled with that. He lacks confidence and he has played pro ball for several years.

Think you have to be more patient with what Knox, Frank and Fiz ultimately turn into. Judging anyone this early is hard to agree with. Its also safe to say that any coach in the NBA, including Fiz, would be struggling to show any kind of cohesiveness with this group of inexperienced players. As I do with my asset holdings, you have to know which ones are long term and which ones are a day trade. The Knicks assets are long term holdings. However, do think we are two to five years away from getting in the playoffs. If we get some help in FA and KP comes backs strong.

The knicks and denver, are the 2 youngest teams in the league at 24.4 yrs old , one is tied for the best record in the league, and one is tied for the 2nd worst record in the league.

Do know why the winning % gap is enormous ?

Because youth alone is not a defining measure.
Because Denver scores more points than it gives up.
Because they are different than the knicks.
Because their unicorn is not out for the season.
Because their coach and staff have been there a while.
Because they traded Melo.
Because they been “rebuilding” with picks then we did the last 5 years.

They have continuity. We don't. not yet anyway.

knicks1248 wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

Uptown wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:It's funny how the same people who were bitching about melo and amre, and mudiay, and THJ, have excuses for Knox.

The thing about fiz is that, he has no track record to look back on to even know wtf is his system, because this looks nothing LIKE a Riley or Spoelstra system or way of thinking

Give Fiz players like Magic, Kareem, Worthy, Ewing, Wade, LeBron and Bosh and then see if Fiz's system is anything like Riley or Spo...

Don't understand Knicks1248's point.

Melo was the first perennial All Star in 20 years that wanted to come here. We did not surround him with enough.
STAT was a good player with bad knees. He had a very good season for us.
Mudiay is a young good role player that was given up by another team and we picked up on the cheap. He has outplayed expectations.
Timmy is a very good offensive player that may be a good value at 12M to 15M per year. He was playing up to his contract at beginning of year and has tailed off with injuries.
Knox is showing signs of being one of our best draft picks in a long history of flops.

Don't see the correlation.

I never really had a problem with any of those guys, because they were proven scorers. But there have been plenty of folks who have killed those guys for never passing the ball and being black holes.

Now with Knox being a 19 yr old and quite a few other young players around him, you can see that everyone(except frank) is taking this same route. Don't get me wrong, I love is aggressiveness, but with no balance, you just become a one trick pony

He obviously thinks this is the way to win games or win ROY, and fiz said (which i think he's 100% right) these guys are playing for new contracts.

That's a Bad Habit to play that way, why not teach him how to set a real screen for his teammates to get open..

It was a reason melo had his best season playing with Jason KIDD, he moved the ball and himself that entire season. Kidd use to tell him, the ball will find you just keep moving moving and cutting once you give it up, it will find you again.

Fair enough.
Think the push back would be that he is in his first year. Its crazy but he is just a couple of years removed from playing high school ball. Yes, Kid has a lot to learn but I like the fact he is so young and yet playing in the NBA with such confidence. That is hard to teach. Just look at how Frank has struggled with that. He lacks confidence and he has played pro ball for several years.

Think you have to be more patient with what Knox, Frank and Fiz ultimately turn into. Judging anyone this early is hard to agree with. Its also safe to say that any coach in the NBA, including Fiz, would be struggling to show any kind of cohesiveness with this group of inexperienced players. As I do with my asset holdings, you have to know which ones are long term and which ones are a day trade. The Knicks assets are long term holdings. However, do think we are two to five years away from getting in the playoffs. If we get some help in FA and KP comes backs strong.

The knicks and denver, are the 2 youngest teams in the league at 24.4 yrs old , one is tied for the best record in the league, and one is tied for the 2nd worst record in the league.

Do know why the winning % gap is enormous ?

Think it was pointed out that the Knicks lost their best player in KP, most consistent wing (Lee) and second best scorer in Timmy. So continuity has been affected. They also have a new coach with 6 new players and 2 that joined in second half of last year. Denver's roster has been together a for a couple of years. They also added a very good player in Millsap. And yes, their young players are playing nicely.

Cartman718 wrote:

Nalod wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

Uptown wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:It's funny how the same people who were bitching about melo and amre, and mudiay, and THJ, have excuses for Knox.

The thing about fiz is that, he has no track record to look back on to even know wtf is his system, because this looks nothing LIKE a Riley or Spoelstra system or way of thinking

Give Fiz players like Magic, Kareem, Worthy, Ewing, Wade, LeBron and Bosh and then see if Fiz's system is anything like Riley or Spo...

Don't understand Knicks1248's point.

Melo was the first perennial All Star in 20 years that wanted to come here. We did not surround him with enough.
STAT was a good player with bad knees. He had a very good season for us.
Mudiay is a young good role player that was given up by another team and we picked up on the cheap. He has outplayed expectations.
Timmy is a very good offensive player that may be a good value at 12M to 15M per year. He was playing up to his contract at beginning of year and has tailed off with injuries.
Knox is showing signs of being one of our best draft picks in a long history of flops.

Don't see the correlation.

I never really had a problem with any of those guys, because they were proven scorers. But there have been plenty of folks who have killed those guys for never passing the ball and being black holes.

Now with Knox being a 19 yr old and quite a few other young players around him, you can see that everyone(except frank) is taking this same route. Don't get me wrong, I love is aggressiveness, but with no balance, you just become a one trick pony

He obviously thinks this is the way to win games or win ROY, and fiz said (which i think he's 100% right) these guys are playing for new contracts.

That's a Bad Habit to play that way, why not teach him how to set a real screen for his teammates to get open..

It was a reason melo had his best season playing with Jason KIDD, he moved the ball and himself that entire season. Kidd use to tell him, the ball will find you just keep moving moving and cutting once you give it up, it will find you again.

Fair enough.
Think the push back would be that he is in his first year. Its crazy but he is just a couple of years removed from playing high school ball. Yes, Kid has a lot to learn but I like the fact he is so young and yet playing in the NBA with such confidence. That is hard to teach. Just look at how Frank has struggled with that. He lacks confidence and he has played pro ball for several years.

Think you have to be more patient with what Knox, Frank and Fiz ultimately turn into. Judging anyone this early is hard to agree with. Its also safe to say that any coach in the NBA, including Fiz, would be struggling to show any kind of cohesiveness with this group of inexperienced players. As I do with my asset holdings, you have to know which ones are long term and which ones are a day trade. The Knicks assets are long term holdings. However, do think we are two to five years away from getting in the playoffs. If we get some help in FA and KP comes backs strong.

The knicks and denver, are the 2 youngest teams in the league at 24.4 yrs old , one is tied for the best record in the league, and one is tied for the 2nd worst record in the league.

Do know why the winning % gap is enormous ?

Because youth alone is not a defining measure.
Because Denver scores more points than it gives up.
Because they are different than the knicks.
Because their unicorn is not out for the season.
Because their coach and staff have been there a while.
Because they traded Melo.
Because they been “rebuilding” with picks then we did the last 5 years.

They have continuity. We don't. not yet anyway.

BINGO...they never consider tanking since departing from melo

They had no high draft picks since coach malone took over, and he has improve there record every season since he got there..and they have drafted according to needs, not talent

That's the only way your going to have continuity and a culture change, is to keep improving..

The more change we make the worse we get, and next season we will probably have 6 to 7 new players..once again

Nalod wrote:
So your saying you good with Fiz, the front office and the process?
Or....
The results first, then continuity?

If you can prove you have an MBA degree I'll eat my hat.

This is hard to have it in early teens... or with brain developed and froze at this level.