My offer to the Sixers would be Courtney Lee, Alonzo Trier and Noah Vonleh for Markelle Fultz and Justin Patton. The deal would give us $3 million more of cap flexibility this offseason at the very least, if Fultz does in fact turn out to be a bust. On the other hand, the Sixers get three rotational players that can space the floor and defend their positions, in exchange for $8 million in dead-money. The $3 million in cap flexibility they'd lose in the offseason seems like a modest tradeoff by comparison. Thoughts?

Joakim, Stat, Cleanthony Early (shot himself), Eddy Curry (also known as Edwina Sparkles), Flu-son Chandler, Antonio McDyess, Sweetney, Jerome James, Bargnani, list goes on.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2788967-the-10-worst-nba-trades-of-the-last-decade#slide1
and the Knicks own 2 out of top 10. Yay.

Nalod wrote:Fultz has a nerve problem and Butler. Your proposed trade does make sense given the prognosis. Even if good he will need time to get his head back on right. We have that.

I think the Fultz "nerve issue" is entirely mental but I think he'll be forced to accept the reality of his circumstances over time, which will allow the issue to be properly addressed. And with the mental health field (sports psychology) growing at the pace it is, I think those concerns can be alleviated over time. Fortunatately, we have the time for that to occur because our youth (as impressive as they are) will need 2-4 more seasons to reach their primes. There is no real downside to this type of move, especially since it saves us long-term money for the 2019 offseason and beyond. And should Fultz overcome his mental blocks, we have a guy who has a skillset that made him a consensus no.1 overall pick in a draft that was compared favorably to the 1996 and 2003 drafts that featured several generational talents.

this is going on two years.

I would not trade for him at all. Opportunity cost

For all my skepticism (a lot) about the FO, I think they scored big with both Vonleh and Trier. I would really like to see Vonleh just grab a rebound and lead the break. Trier has to return to SG

Knixkik wrote:I would not trade Trier and Vonleh for him. I don't have very much confidence in him, especially in a place like NY.

Neither would I. Both are currently en route to being rotation players, Fultz isn't. But I think the premise is that's why he is available. Can't keep giving up assets for projects.

NardDogNation wrote:

Cartman718 wrote:Why do we love to draft, trade for or sign injured players or players who are a ticking time bomb..?

Joakim, Stat, Cleanthony Early (shot himself), Eddy Curry (also known as Edwina Sparkles), Flu-son Chandler, Antonio McDyess, Sweetney, Jerome James, Bargnani, list goes on.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2788967-the-10-worst-nba-trades-of-the-last-decade#slide1
and the Knicks own 2 out of top 10. Yay.

The acquisitions of the aforementioned players all involved the loss of valuable assets and were accompanied by steep opportunity costs. What would we really be losing in the trade I proposed, for a player that was a consensus no.1 overall pick just 18 months ago?

The same was what you would lose for any trades involving Anthony Bennett, Greg Oden, Andrea Bargnani, Kwame Brown, Michael Olowokandi back in the day.

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meloshouldgo wrote:

Knixkik wrote:I would not trade Trier and Vonleh for him. I don't have very much confidence in him, especially in a place like NY.

Neither would I. Both are currently en route to being rotation players, Fultz isn't. But I think the premise is that's why he is available. Can't keep giving up assets for projects.

Haven't kept up with Fultz but he is kinda sorta in the same position as Trier and Vonleh were last year: no one wants and he may have a TON of more upside.

And if you can get rid of Lee's contract in the process, bonus.

We've whiffed enough times on guys with questionable medical histories. I could agree with you if I knew what the deal is with his shoulder. I've heard everything from motorcycle accidents to the yips. Plus, he make like $10 million a year so there is not much cap relief. They'd get my attention if they threw in Wilson Chandler's expiring, but I don't know if they'd do that.

LegendD wrote:Trier has mamba mentality. Its very stupid talking about possible trade including him ... very stupid! Fultz is a 100% bust. We dont need him!

Carmelo had the "mamba mentality" too....and I suspect you have a very different take about his contributions to winning basketball. The game has changed and dudes that get tunnel vision like Trier are not what we need.

NYKBocker wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:Unless it's only for a 2nd rounder I would not even entertain that trade.

Why? And to be honest, as bad as we are, our 2nd rounders are more valuable than any one player involved in what I'm suggesting we do.

We have done well with our 2nd rounders ...yes...but that is the only gamble I would do for fultz. Trier and vonleh has shown enough for me to value them way more than fultz. I think you can get more for CLee and I would hold on.

And you'd be willing to pay them market-value or better for 25 games of play? That rationale is how we've gotten into the financial debacle we've been in. Fultz's contract isn't cheap but it offers cost control as well as immediate and long-term savings. Seems like the fiscally prudent thing to do as a team that is supposedly in a multi-year rebuild.