StarksEwing1 wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:knicks1248 wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:Nalod wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:knicks1248 wrote:Optimism sometimes puts you in denial. Some fans will go to bat for a player they like, while others will recognize the BS early....Is knox passing the ball, is frank playing good...
Knox has played absolutely terrible so far this season. You haven't spent even 1/10th the amount of energy used when you were knocking Frank last season. Dating back to his own ankle injury in the preseason.
Knox has looked like a "low IQ, ball jock, AAU player with lazy defense". If we were to equate the generalizations, bias and prejudice views between Frank and Knox.
They are also both 2 of the youngest players in the NBA. Knicks could have gone after older rookies like Mitchell and Miles. They went after the boom or bust potential. Would make no sense to take players this young and this raw if they aren't committed to long term development and the supreme lows of developmental prospects.
Knicks have made their choices. They need to follow through.
Wonder if Knicks1248 sees anti frank articles as vindication or soft porn?
Knox too much AAU but Frank is not enough?
Calipari if reading between the lines might not have thought he was ready to move to the NBA. Bottom line is if you go top 10 you go? Quarter of the season in the bag and we have his trajectory figured out? Im not buying that either.
Frank's play has declined when we deviated from what Fiz was doing earlier. This helps Mudiay and Trier's game. Three game streak does speak for itself but does it move the franchise forward.
What we did or didn't do with Reezy or any other player in a previous regime does not matter as all the characters are different. I just don't want to see us dump Frank and watch him go on for 15 years having a productive career elsewhere. Naturally "Winning" would take the sting out of that. If I can get over "Willy", I can get over this. 
knicks1248 wrote:
Optimism sometimes puts you in denial. Some fans will go to bat for a player they like, while others will recognize the BS early....Is knox passing the ball, is frank playing good...
Dude, its not denial as it is fans hoping for a good thing. You or I have no decision capacity here. If Fan wants to be hopeful that's onething. Why are you so hell bent on "being that guy"? You know, the "guy" that gets to say "I told you so"? Over and over you bash the guy which is your prerogative but its not like your doing anyone any favors by helping them. Its not an "Intervention" were your helping someone see the light. We like Frank's defensive acumen and have hopes for him. Its part of being a fan. No, you can't take that from people no matter how many times you try.
His whole arguement against Frank has been rooted in the fact that he is from Europe and not from AAU. But Knox is from AAU and has a year of college. So if we were to claim that Knox's problems stem from his AAU upbringing. Which makes him a low IQ chuck with lazy defense. Then we would sound like Knicks1248.
The fact that he isn't bringing this same energy says all that needs to be said. As this would ultimately distroy the foundation of his critique.
thats part of the argument, but the FACT is. he doesn't shoot PUSH THE PACE, penetrate, (let me say this again..15% from 3's in the month of nov 29% overall) 9 FT for the month of NOV, and just 4 layups, in which he made 2 of the 4
You can't be in the NBA with those type of #s..seriously.
What game this year can you look back and say, his elite defense was on display, he locked so and so down (maybe 19 yr old trey young) and the knicks don't want him to spend a second in the G league..
Gotta love the development process..
Like I posted up a couple of days ago.
Frank played 53 total possessions against Taytum, Lillard, CJ, & Holiday. He gave up a combined 9 pts over 3 games within those 53 possessions. Hes trying to find his game on offense. Just like Knox & Mitch. He had a horrible month of November no doubt. Which is why he lost his starting job and has been regulated to bench role. His main problem, which majority has pointed out has been due to confidence. So the question is what are the Knicks doing to build up his confidence? You can't have a kid like Frank display all the confidence he displayed vs Warriors and Nets in his first 2 ever starts at PG with complete games of defense and efficient offense. Then allow him to just lose it all. What is being done to get him going? Knicks drafted him in the lottery. Knicks are rebuilding. So what is the plan to actually work through his issues and build him up & develop him? What is the plan for him when he is subbed into the game to build him up brick by brick?
In your whole reply not one mention of Knox, again exposing yourself.
Excellent Post. I agree about confidence. Earlier in the year I felt fiz was showing more confidence in him and put the ball in his hands more which gave Frank more confidence. Yes frank has had struggles but all young players do. I was totally fine with letting mudiay getting some starts but like you said there has been no plan to help Frankie. Plus giving him 10-12 minutes doesnt help much
You guys think it's all on the court, but it's way more than his confidence that's shot.
NYC is just the worst place to develop because of the distraction, the media market, the city itself.
Frank has it worse because not only was he mad young, he has to adapt to a different culture with his friends and family halfway across the world, he has to deal with a dozen mics in his face, a 100 bloggers criticizing his game left and right. When he put his name in the draft, he decided to put his big boy pants on, but they keep dropping to his ankles and that becomes embarrassing, which is the state of their game.
To make matters worse he came to a team that had zero stability, little to no vet leadership, a fan base desperate for some success, then he gets toss on stage to learn on the fly.
The knicks put their 2 youngest players in a position to get completely expose on one of the biggest sports stages in the world. They have put them in roles they clearly can't handle, with very little support in terms of leadership. They think they're speeding up the process, when they are in fact causing these players to regress like every draft pick we ever get.
That's why it's so tough to develop in NY because it's just too much going on.
Kanter said the other day in a interview(with ben stiller) that guys sitting on the bench sometimes scour the crowd for celebs, and not even paying attn to the game(we all do the same thing when you got good seats at the garden) he said in the 7 yrs of him playing in UTAH and OKC, he couldn't recall ever seeing a single celeb..
Only certain kinds of players can make it in NY and everyone on this board can attest to that if your being honest with yourself
12/10/2018 4:03 PM