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11/28/2018  11:39 AM
Mario does not even look right. Does not look like a basketball player. socks not right, looks stupid with the T-shirt thing. Looks like a kid from Gym class that might be good at other things, like fixing cars, rolling doobs, Computer, etc. Might be the smartest kid out there, but don't look like he can play hoop.
Neither did Bill Bradley but he killed it in college first.

But........when trying to rebuild a player you sometimes have him do different things and it takes time to become instinctive.
Mudiay looks good. This team is not very good right now. No body will look great. Porzingod is coming........

Frank and Knox both look slow. Like they just hit a growth spurt, all legs and arms. The burst of power is not there. They don't deserve to play right now. If we can "win" with Burke and the Fiz MizFits they stay and win. But if last night is more of the norm then you bring back the kids to develop. Losing sucks but with whom matters.
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11/28/2018  2:59 PM
Marv wrote:i feel pretty good about fiz having a year to figure out how he wants to use a backcourt of
frank
dot
mudiay
trier
thj
burke

plus clee

and maybe jenkins??

Something has got to give. I think we can all agree that CLee is on the move but I'd guess that someone else will also be on different team in long term

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11/28/2018  7:09 PM
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Nalod wrote:The 2 and three spots are very crowded. something has to give. Baker's contract is not tradable for any real value. Given he can run the point we need him in the event of injury. He is waivable. Good dude. Good hair. Buh Bye.
Dotson likely won't be signed and thus if we can get something in return that's a sustainable asset like a pick its a plus.
Trier has to be signed which is a given.
As for Dot, I like the guy and his game. Thing is Knox is the future there, Clee is there, Hardaway can be there when we go small, and our very own Frank is there too sometimes.

Disagree completely. Knox is not the future anywhere till he earns it. Same goes for Frank, Dot and the rooks. No one had earned anything g yet except Frank earning rule defensive chops. Boobies was closest to being a two way player. To just state that Knox is the future their is very biased and not backed up by anything other than his draft position. Dude is as likely to be a complete bust as he is to be a good player at this point.

Knox was a lotto pick, as was Frank. They are 19 and 20, highly skilled and highly touted so absolutely the future of the Knicks. By definition. Keep hating though.

Do you know what biased means? Its when a hater troll pushes his opinion as fact based on the hate he has for an opposing view. Better known as Meloahouldgo/Linshouldcum in UK land.

The problemis your "definition". And I am not hating on either Knox or Frank, I want to see both succeed. I am vocal about getting them playing time. I don't however assign future stardom to people based on where they were picked. The NBA is littered with "lotto picks" tha turned into busts, more of them do than they succeed. I don't annnoint people as future starters after two 20 point games either. I have consistently responded to posters who talk about Fiz playing players who earn their playing time, that he DOES NOT do that. Because Knox hasn't earned any playing time. That does not mean I don't want him to play. I want Fiz to start the three rookies along with Frank and Boobies the rest of the way. said so on multiple threads. You seem to have a prblem with nuanced speech and you see my posts through the lens of your pre-ordained belief system. You are welcome to keep doing that. Doesn't bother me.

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11/29/2018  7:38 AM
meloshouldgo wrote:
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meloshouldgo wrote:
Nalod wrote:The 2 and three spots are very crowded. something has to give. Baker's contract is not tradable for any real value. Given he can run the point we need him in the event of injury. He is waivable. Good dude. Good hair. Buh Bye.
Dotson likely won't be signed and thus if we can get something in return that's a sustainable asset like a pick its a plus.
Trier has to be signed which is a given.
As for Dot, I like the guy and his game. Thing is Knox is the future there, Clee is there, Hardaway can be there when we go small, and our very own Frank is there too sometimes.

Disagree completely. Knox is not the future anywhere till he earns it. Same goes for Frank, Dot and the rooks. No one had earned anything g yet except Frank earning rule defensive chops. Boobies was closest to being a two way player. To just state that Knox is the future their is very biased and not backed up by anything other than his draft position. Dude is as likely to be a complete bust as he is to be a good player at this point.

Knox was a lotto pick, as was Frank. They are 19 and 20, highly skilled and highly touted so absolutely the future of the Knicks. By definition. Keep hating though.

Do you know what biased means? Its when a hater troll pushes his opinion as fact based on the hate he has for an opposing view. Better known as Meloahouldgo/Linshouldcum in UK land.

The problemis your "definition". And I am not hating on either Knox or Frank, I want to see both succeed. I am vocal about getting them playing time. I don't however assign future stardom to people based on where they were picked. The NBA is littered with "lotto picks" tha turned into busts, more of them do than they succeed. I don't annnoint people as future starters after two 20 point games either. I have consistently responded to posters who talk about Fiz playing players who earn their playing time, that he DOES NOT do that. Because Knox hasn't earned any playing time. That does not mean I don't want him to play. I want Fiz to start the three rookies along with Frank and Boobies the rest of the way. said so on multiple threads. You seem to have a prblem with nuanced speech and you see my posts through the lens of your pre-ordained belief system. You are welcome to keep doing that. Doesn't bother me.

Ok. I'll agree with some of what you said, on this post. Although your tune seems different and one sided on others. Players should earn minutes and praise. But young players, even rooks, should get development minutes if team is not winning AND no one else is playing much better than they are. Can be said Vonleh would be the only one having a good year and should be rewarded over Knox. Think he has. Who else is he stealing minutes from? You seem to push the idea that Frank should get as many minutes as possible (which I agree unless others are playing better) even thought he has not played well or "earned it". You hate Mudiay and think he should get no minutes, even though he has played well and has "earned it". You act as though Knox is getting 30 minutes a game and taking minutes away from another up and coming superstar we are keeping on the bench. So who has biased opinion?

Btw. Calling a man "boobies" and constantly repeating it screams out pre adolescent teen.

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11/29/2018  7:55 PM
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12/10/2018  6:18 PM
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Kennard drafted higher than I thought he would and the kid is still only 22. White Dukie I suppose its a given he'll be JJ Reddick? Isn't that what we do? I don't know. For sure a different skill set than Dot.
I like Dot, but also see the problem of where he gets his minutes as he is more of a 3 and with Knox there not sure there will be enough minutes. I'd rather trade Mario or even cut his ass but what I suspect is Fiz is trying to pull Mario into being a more complete player than he was and it might still take some time. Sometimes you go backwards before you move forward. Mario has to move more off the ball.
What does kennard bring? Outside shooting. We do need that. Im no Kennard specialist so its hard to say.
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12/10/2018  9:30 PM
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They were rumored to be interested in Dot a week or so ago. I think he is a keeper. He plays well next to Frank and picks up the rebounding for KP once he comes back in addition to just being a very solid two way player.
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12/10/2018  9:53 PM
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They were rumored to be interested in Dot a week or so ago. I think he is a keeper. He plays well next to Frank and picks up the rebounding for KP once he comes back in addition to just being a very solid two way player.
agreed. Trading any kids are dumb. They are on rookie deals and locked up for a few more years. Dotson has been really good
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12/11/2018  2:38 AM
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IMO, the key to the trade should be someone who won't be signed for next year. Mario, Baker, Kanter, or Burke. Or someone who's spot is crowded Lee or Thomas. It seems as if they're stuck on Mudiay, but ifnot, add him to the list.

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12/11/2018  7:18 AM
I'm gonna suggest something different than trading Dotson, who I think is a nice two way role player. A draft pick, and we should keep him around to continue his development.
If we want to go for wins, and best player at position to start, and that KP is back healthy, our rotation looks as follows.

Porzingis/Kanter
Vonleh/Robinson
Dotson/Knox
Hardaway/Frank
Mudiay/Trier

Could probably try and swing a trade where Kanter goes out, along with Mudiay and maybe even Trier for an all star level PG. John Wall looks in decline and has a massive contract. Would Houston trade CP3 if they continue to fail?

I don't see us as winners in free agency next year but we should be building players roles this year for next year with a healthy KP in mind. With that established as a goal, getting KP a point guard that can set him up, control tempo and run the offense would be great. I am not a huge fan of either Wall or CP3 but they make a ton of sense for this team. What would Washington ask for Wall? He's clearly not healthy right now and has a massive contract. This means we may be able to get him for less than his actual value. If Washington is looking to clear cap and rebuild, Kanter/Mudiay/Trier plus a second rounder may work.

Vonleh/Robinson
Porzingis/Knox
Knox/Dotson
Hardaway/Lee
Wall/Frank

That's a team with three 20+ point scorers in KP/Hardaway/Wall. A dominant point guard that can run the offense. Defensive talent in KP, Vonleh, Frank, Dotson. A team that has youth and upside. Plus, we would be drafting in the lottery top 8 because Wall and KP wouldn't be healthy enough this year to play the season and get us in the playoffs.
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12/11/2018  7:34 AM
nyknickzingis wrote:I'm gonna suggest something different than trading Dotson, who I think is a nice two way role player. A draft pick, and we should keep him around to continue his development.
If we want to go for wins, and best player at position to start, and that KP is back healthy, our rotation looks as follows.

Porzingis/Kanter
Vonleh/Robinson
Dotson/Knox
Hardaway/Frank
Mudiay/Trier

Could probably try and swing a trade where Kanter goes out, along with Mudiay and maybe even Trier for an all star level PG. John Wall looks in decline and has a massive contract. Would Houston trade CP3 if they continue to fail?

I don't see us as winners in free agency next year but we should be building players roles this year for next year with a healthy KP in mind. With that established as a goal, getting KP a point guard that can set him up, control tempo and run the offense would be great. I am not a huge fan of either Wall or CP3 but they make a ton of sense for this team. What would Washington ask for Wall? He's clearly not healthy right now and has a massive contract. This means we may be able to get him for less than his actual value. If Washington is looking to clear cap and rebuild, Kanter/Mudiay/Trier plus a second rounder may work.

Vonleh/Robinson
Porzingis/Knox
Knox/Dotson
Hardaway/Lee
Wall/Frank

That's a team with three 20+ point scorers in KP/Hardaway/Wall. A dominant point guard that can run the offense. Defensive talent in KP, Vonleh, Frank, Dotson. A team that has youth and upside. Plus, we would be drafting in the lottery top 8 because Wall and KP wouldn't be healthy enough this year to play the season and get us in the playoffs.

I have no interest in JOhn Wall at $35M per year. With his attitude problesm, it is the last thing this team needs. I dont think Wall, KP and Hardaway is good enough.

IMO, NY needs to stay patient. Get a good pick, hopefully a rotation player at least, and have $$ for a top FA signing.

In effect that would giv ethem 3 quality players for next year (FA, draft pick and healthy KP).

Lee will not be here next year. Kanter unlikely as well. IMO, there is a chance Hardaway is traded too.

Stay away from Wall. BEal on the other hand.....
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GoNyGoNyGo wrote:
nyknickzingis wrote:I'm gonna suggest something different than trading Dotson, who I think is a nice two way role player. A draft pick, and we should keep him around to continue his development.
If we want to go for wins, and best player at position to start, and that KP is back healthy, our rotation looks as follows.

Porzingis/Kanter
Vonleh/Robinson
Dotson/Knox
Hardaway/Frank
Mudiay/Trier

Could probably try and swing a trade where Kanter goes out, along with Mudiay and maybe even Trier for an all star level PG. John Wall looks in decline and has a massive contract. Would Houston trade CP3 if they continue to fail?

I don't see us as winners in free agency next year but we should be building players roles this year for next year with a healthy KP in mind. With that established as a goal, getting KP a point guard that can set him up, control tempo and run the offense would be great. I am not a huge fan of either Wall or CP3 but they make a ton of sense for this team. What would Washington ask for Wall? He's clearly not healthy right now and has a massive contract. This means we may be able to get him for less than his actual value. If Washington is looking to clear cap and rebuild, Kanter/Mudiay/Trier plus a second rounder may work.

Vonleh/Robinson
Porzingis/Knox
Knox/Dotson
Hardaway/Lee
Wall/Frank

That's a team with three 20+ point scorers in KP/Hardaway/Wall. A dominant point guard that can run the offense. Defensive talent in KP, Vonleh, Frank, Dotson. A team that has youth and upside. Plus, we would be drafting in the lottery top 8 because Wall and KP wouldn't be healthy enough this year to play the season and get us in the playoffs.

I have no interest in JOhn Wall at $35M per year. With his attitude problesm, it is the last thing this team needs. I dont think Wall, KP and Hardaway is good enough.

IMO, NY needs to stay patient. Get a good pick, hopefully a rotation player at least, and have $$ for a top FA signing.

In effect that would giv ethem 3 quality players for next year (FA, draft pick and healthy KP).

Lee will not be here next year. Kanter unlikely as well. IMO, there is a chance Hardaway is traded too.

Stay away from Wall. BEal on the other hand.....

agree...no john wall please. that contract is cray cray

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12/11/2018  9:04 AM
You have to move out big salary for Wall. His contract tops out at 45mil at the end! CP3 here makes no sense either as he will break down physically. Can't see him lasting his contract and the ends are usually messy with big contracts. There is little wrong with what we are doing. problem is nobody can see the future and thus the uncertainty it brings. Can't see frank being a star because he isn't.
Can't see KP being durable, because he isn't. The teams that are successful defy the odds. We like "Sure things" but we also don't see the decline because we want players who ARE. The future has to have them decline. It's nature.
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GoNyGoNyGo wrote:
nyknickzingis wrote:I'm gonna suggest something different than trading Dotson, who I think is a nice two way role player. A draft pick, and we should keep him around to continue his development.
If we want to go for wins, and best player at position to start, and that KP is back healthy, our rotation looks as follows.

Porzingis/Kanter
Vonleh/Robinson
Dotson/Knox
Hardaway/Frank
Mudiay/Trier

Could probably try and swing a trade where Kanter goes out, along with Mudiay and maybe even Trier for an all star level PG. John Wall looks in decline and has a massive contract. Would Houston trade CP3 if they continue to fail?

I don't see us as winners in free agency next year but we should be building players roles this year for next year with a healthy KP in mind. With that established as a goal, getting KP a point guard that can set him up, control tempo and run the offense would be great. I am not a huge fan of either Wall or CP3 but they make a ton of sense for this team. What would Washington ask for Wall? He's clearly not healthy right now and has a massive contract. This means we may be able to get him for less than his actual value. If Washington is looking to clear cap and rebuild, Kanter/Mudiay/Trier plus a second rounder may work.

Vonleh/Robinson
Porzingis/Knox
Knox/Dotson
Hardaway/Lee
Wall/Frank

That's a team with three 20+ point scorers in KP/Hardaway/Wall. A dominant point guard that can run the offense. Defensive talent in KP, Vonleh, Frank, Dotson. A team that has youth and upside. Plus, we would be drafting in the lottery top 8 because Wall and KP wouldn't be healthy enough this year to play the season and get us in the playoffs.

I have no interest in JOhn Wall at $35M per year. With his attitude problesm, it is the last thing this team needs. I dont think Wall, KP and Hardaway is good enough.

IMO, NY needs to stay patient. Get a good pick, hopefully a rotation player at least, and have $$ for a top FA signing.

In effect that would giv ethem 3 quality players for next year (FA, draft pick and healthy KP).

Lee will not be here next year. Kanter unlikely as well. IMO, there is a chance Hardaway is traded too.

Stay away from Wall. BEal on the other hand.....

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12/11/2018  9:40 AM    LAST EDITED: 12/11/2018  10:04 AM
CrushAlot wrote:
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They were rumored to be interested in Dot a week or so ago. I think he is a keeper. He plays well next to Frank and picks up the rebounding for KP once he comes back in addition to just being a very solid two way player.

Agree. Have been a Dot fan for some time. Thought there was no reason to not have him in the rotation early on. Feel he may be sacrificed in order to free up cap space though. A deal where he is included to move a salary where we get back a pick or two may be more tolerable, Would rather keep him.

Would love if there is a way for us to ship Lee to the Pelicans, Lakers, Houston, Orlando or anyone else looking for experienced wing help and get back a pick. Also hope Kanter is traded for a pick as well. Like him but think he is moving on and would not like wasting an opportunity to get something in return.

Will be interesting which one of the young assets the knicks keep/resign. I thought Vonleh, Dot, Trier all earned the right to be here next year. Seems like Burke and Mario will not be back. Each for different reasons.

As for John Wall.....hell NO. If the Knicks trade for him it will signal Dolan is now again running the show.

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HofstraBBall wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
HofstraBBall wrote:

They were rumored to be interested in Dot a week or so ago. I think he is a keeper. He plays well next to Frank and picks up the rebounding for KP once he comes back in addition to just being a very solid two way player.

Agree. Have been a Dot fan for some time. Thought there was no reason to not have him in the rotation early on. Feel he may be sacrificed in order to free up cap space though. A deal where he is included to move a salary where we get back a pick or two may be more tolerable, Would rather keep him.

Would love if there is a way for us to ship Lee to the Pelicans, Lakers, Houston, Orlando or anyone else looking for experienced wing help and get back a pick. Also hope Kanter is traded for a pick as well. Like him but think he is moving on and would not like wasting an opportunity to get something in return.

Will be interesting which one of the young assets the knicks keep/resign. I thought Vonleh, Dot, Trier all earned the right to be here next year. Seems like Burke and Mario will not be back. Each for different reasons.

As for John Wall.....hell NO. If the Knicks trade for him it will signal Dolan is now again running the show.

He's making like 18 mill, what team can absorb that even if was prorated.

His value is pretty low, and he can't stretch the floor (which is almost a requirement these days). I really don't see kanter getting more than a 2 yr deal form anyone

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12/11/2018  6:08 PM
knicks1248 wrote:
HofstraBBall wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
HofstraBBall wrote:

They were rumored to be interested in Dot a week or so ago. I think he is a keeper. He plays well next to Frank and picks up the rebounding for KP once he comes back in addition to just being a very solid two way player.

Agree. Have been a Dot fan for some time. Thought there was no reason to not have him in the rotation early on. Feel he may be sacrificed in order to free up cap space though. A deal where he is included to move a salary where we get back a pick or two may be more tolerable, Would rather keep him.

Would love if there is a way for us to ship Lee to the Pelicans, Lakers, Houston, Orlando or anyone else looking for experienced wing help and get back a pick. Also hope Kanter is traded for a pick as well. Like him but think he is moving on and would not like wasting an opportunity to get something in return.

Will be interesting which one of the young assets the knicks keep/resign. I thought Vonleh, Dot, Trier all earned the right to be here next year. Seems like Burke and Mario will not be back. Each for different reasons.

As for John Wall.....hell NO. If the Knicks trade for him it will signal Dolan is now again running the show.

He's making like 18 mill, what team can absorb that even if was prorated.

His value is pretty low, and he can't stretch the floor (which is almost a requirement these days). I really don't see kanter getting more than a 2 yr deal form anyone

The Knicks would have to take back a contract with more years to move Kanter but they would almost certainly get a 1st for his expiring deal. My guess is they keep their options open in case there is any truth to the KD rumors.
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