Question is are on board or with your little fingers know how to fix this?

Is Burke or Mudiay worth keeping, or do you explore other options (like a vet on a min type deal looking to jump on KD's bandwagon to the finals?)

And the only way to answer those questions is to do exactly what Fiz is doing.

I agree - this is the best FO set up we've had since Dolan has been the owner. Hope it lasts.

Chandler wrote:I don't buy the chalk it up to youth excuse. Yes that accounts for certain things, e.g., Adam's tricks on Mitch to seal him off from a rebound

But youth should also mean fresh legs, hunger etc.

We are in a serious rut at the moment and IMHO at the moment we have no idea what we are trying to accomplish on offense or defense, as in zero.

Good coaches know how to extract a player's strengths and hide their weaknesses. Exhibit A on this should be players like Harden and DeRozan who I am certain if they were in a Knick uniform would be one dimensional offensive bums, but with a good organization are superstars. Exhibit B could be someone like Capella who was one dimensional defense. Exhibit C could be Steve Novak under Woodson.

Honestly, every player in the league has flaws including Lebron (e.g., his ego and his coach issues)

Coaches are like chefs, the players are ingredients. Even with the humble egg, some make dried out scrambled eggs and others soufflé's

Our "good" guys are not playing right, and not being put into positions to succeed.

We also need the humility to concede that certain personnel decisions however well intended were not wise. If Hezonja still can't figure it out, let's give that slot and those minutes to someone who might, same too re Burke, and IMHO Mudiay

100% agree

I like fiz, but he maybe like the rest of the coaches we have encountered, A GOOD ASSISTANT.

The fact that our last 3 coaches(Fiz,JH, FISHER) have had very little to no HEAD coaching experience, says a lot about MILLs, although JH and fisher was more on phil

Also, Mills was well aware (even after perry and mills stated) that you should never put together a squad as young and as inexperience as these guys are and expect development to progress.

You cant win with young players because they don't how, they don't really care as much, and it's so easy for them to lose confidence.

Young guys will always fall back on bad habits.

No leadership, No legit PG, and no worth while veterans, will get you no where fast..

Fiz game plan is being executed by a bunch of clueless cast off players who have a ton of bad habits, and low confidence.

Waiving Noah without at least seeing what kind of impact he could of had was pretty stupid. If kanter goes down, all we have is Mitch and kornet..really

knicks1248 wrote:

Chandler wrote:I don't buy the chalk it up to youth excuse. Yes that accounts for certain things, e.g., Adam's tricks on Mitch to seal him off from a rebound

But youth should also mean fresh legs, hunger etc.

We are in a serious rut at the moment and IMHO at the moment we have no idea what we are trying to accomplish on offense or defense, as in zero.

Good coaches know how to extract a player's strengths and hide their weaknesses. Exhibit A on this should be players like Harden and DeRozan who I am certain if they were in a Knick uniform would be one dimensional offensive bums, but with a good organization are superstars. Exhibit B could be someone like Capella who was one dimensional defense. Exhibit C could be Steve Novak under Woodson.

Honestly, every player in the league has flaws including Lebron (e.g., his ego and his coach issues)

Coaches are like chefs, the players are ingredients. Even with the humble egg, some make dried out scrambled eggs and others soufflé's

Our "good" guys are not playing right, and not being put into positions to succeed.

We also need the humility to concede that certain personnel decisions however well intended were not wise. If Hezonja still can't figure it out, let's give that slot and those minutes to someone who might, same too re Burke, and IMHO Mudiay

100% agree

I like fiz, but he maybe like the rest of the coaches we have encountered, A GOOD ASSISTANT.

The fact that our last 3 coaches(Fiz,JH, FISHER) have had very little to no HEAD coaching experience, says a lot about MILLs, although JH and fisher was more on phil

Also, Mills was well aware (even after perry and mills stated) that you should never put together a squad as young and as inexperience as these guys are and expect development to progress.

You cant win with young players because they don't how, they don't really care as much, and it's so easy for them to lose confidence.

Young guys will always fall back on bad habits.

No leadership, No legit PG, and no worth while veterans, will get you no where fast..

Fiz game plan is being executed by a bunch of clueless cast off players who have a ton of bad habits, and low confidence.

Waiving Noah without at least seeing what kind of impact he could of had was pretty stupid. If kanter goes down, all we have is Mitch and kornet..really

Fiz is development coach.
He is under evaluation the same way as players.
He given the task to develop players, establish culture of accountability, put a foundation.
He was not tasked to win more games, get to playoffs, and do other impossible nonsense.
If he will not be good enough for the team when we will have something to win with it will be another coach hired.
We have very lengthy process in front of us before this team will be able to seriously compete.

Mitch
Knox
Zo
Thjr
Frank

The rest can eat A S S

JamesKPolk wrote:

Chandler wrote:I don't buy the chalk it up to youth excuse. Yes that accounts for certain things, e.g., Adam's tricks on Mitch to seal him off from a rebound

But youth should also mean fresh legs, hunger etc.

We are in a serious rut at the moment and IMHO at the moment we have no idea what we are trying to accomplish on offense or defense, as in zero.

Good coaches know how to extract a player's strengths and hide their weaknesses. Exhibit A on this should be players like Harden and DeRozan who I am certain if they were in a Knick uniform would be one dimensional offensive bums, but with a good organization are superstars. Exhibit B could be someone like Capella who was one dimensional defense. Exhibit C could be Steve Novak under Woodson.

Honestly, every player in the league has flaws including Lebron (e.g., his ego and his coach issues)

Coaches are like chefs, the players are ingredients. Even with the humble egg, some make dried out scrambled eggs and others soufflé's

Our "good" guys are not playing right, and not being put into positions to succeed.

We also need the humility to concede that certain personnel decisions however well intended were not wise. If Hezonja still can't figure it out, let's give that slot and those minutes to someone who might, same too re Burke, and IMHO Mudiay

Aren't you the same guy who advocated for Jeff Hornacek?

Let's give Fizdale a chance with a real roster before we judge.

There are something he doesn't do well right now, but any coach can look exponentially better when they have better players on the roster. This is the youngest roster in the league. I'm sure there was someone saying the same about Brett Brown in Philly. Then everything came together.

sorry I was not clear. I am not advocating fire Fizdale. There are for sure certain things I like about him.

Having said that, the first step in fixing a problem is identifying it. Personally, just like we might want a veteran leader to provide some stability and wisdom, I think he needs something like that on his bench. A lot of great coaches have benefitted from great assistants who truly own either the offense or defense. P.Jackson, Kerr, D'Antoni.

One side note: FWIW Hornacek's 2017 team's stats were better on offense AND defense than we are at the moment (ugly fact; early in the season). Mills, Perry, and Fizz have to be thinking about that and fixing things

knicks1248 wrote:

Chandler wrote:I don't buy the chalk it up to youth excuse. Yes that accounts for certain things, e.g., Adam's tricks on Mitch to seal him off from a rebound

But youth should also mean fresh legs, hunger etc.

We are in a serious rut at the moment and IMHO at the moment we have no idea what we are trying to accomplish on offense or defense, as in zero.

Good coaches know how to extract a player's strengths and hide their weaknesses. Exhibit A on this should be players like Harden and DeRozan who I am certain if they were in a Knick uniform would be one dimensional offensive bums, but with a good organization are superstars. Exhibit B could be someone like Capella who was one dimensional defense. Exhibit C could be Steve Novak under Woodson.

Honestly, every player in the league has flaws including Lebron (e.g., his ego and his coach issues)

Coaches are like chefs, the players are ingredients. Even with the humble egg, some make dried out scrambled eggs and others soufflé's

Our "good" guys are not playing right, and not being put into positions to succeed.

We also need the humility to concede that certain personnel decisions however well intended were not wise. If Hezonja still can't figure it out, let's give that slot and those minutes to someone who might, same too re Burke, and IMHO Mudiay

100% agree

I like fiz, but he maybe like the rest of the coaches we have encountered, A GOOD ASSISTANT.

The fact that our last 3 coaches(Fiz,JH, FISHER) have had very little to no HEAD coaching experience, says a lot about MILLs, although JH and fisher was more on phil

Also, Mills was well aware (even after perry and mills stated) that you should never put together a squad as young and as inexperience as these guys are and expect development to progress.

You cant win with young players because they don't how, they don't really care as much, and it's so easy for them to lose confidence.

Young guys will always fall back on bad habits.

No leadership, No legit PG, and no worth while veterans, will get you no where fast..

Fiz game plan is being executed by a bunch of clueless cast off players who have a ton of bad habits, and low confidence.

Waiving Noah without at least seeing what kind of impact he could of had was pretty stupid. If kanter goes down, all we have is Mitch and kornet..really

To state that Fiz at this point is only a good assistant is ridiculous. Brad Stevens, who I think is one if not the best coach in the NBA , 1st yr with the Celtics record was 25-57. He had much better players on that team than we do. We may not see it the last 2 games but the Knicks are hustling and playing better defense than I have seen a Knick team do in many yrs. We need to be patient. I guarantee this team will be better as the yr progresses. Fiz is a good young coach who we need to give him time here.

Chandler wrote:

BigRedDog wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Chandler wrote:I don't buy the chalk it up to youth excuse. Yes that accounts for certain things, e.g., Adam's tricks on Mitch to seal him off from a rebound

But youth should also mean fresh legs, hunger etc.

We are in a serious rut at the moment and IMHO at the moment we have no idea what we are trying to accomplish on offense or defense, as in zero.

Good coaches know how to extract a player's strengths and hide their weaknesses. Exhibit A on this should be players like Harden and DeRozan who I am certain if they were in a Knick uniform would be one dimensional offensive bums, but with a good organization are superstars. Exhibit B could be someone like Capella who was one dimensional defense. Exhibit C could be Steve Novak under Woodson.

Honestly, every player in the league has flaws including Lebron (e.g., his ego and his coach issues)

Coaches are like chefs, the players are ingredients. Even with the humble egg, some make dried out scrambled eggs and others soufflé's

Our "good" guys are not playing right, and not being put into positions to succeed.

We also need the humility to concede that certain personnel decisions however well intended were not wise. If Hezonja still can't figure it out, let's give that slot and those minutes to someone who might, same too re Burke, and IMHO Mudiay

100% agree

I like fiz, but he maybe like the rest of the coaches we have encountered, A GOOD ASSISTANT.

The fact that our last 3 coaches(Fiz,JH, FISHER) have had very little to no HEAD coaching experience, says a lot about MILLs, although JH and fisher was more on phil

Also, Mills was well aware (even after perry and mills stated) that you should never put together a squad as young and as inexperience as these guys are and expect development to progress.

You cant win with young players because they don't how, they don't really care as much, and it's so easy for them to lose confidence.

Young guys will always fall back on bad habits.

No leadership, No legit PG, and no worth while veterans, will get you no where fast..

Fiz game plan is being executed by a bunch of clueless cast off players who have a ton of bad habits, and low confidence.

Waiving Noah without at least seeing what kind of impact he could of had was pretty stupid. If kanter goes down, all we have is Mitch and kornet..really

To state that Fiz at this point is only a good assistant is ridiculous. Brad Stevens, who I think is one if not the best coach in the NBA , 1st yr with the Celtics record was 25-57. He had much better players on that team than we do. We may not see it the last 2 games but the Knicks are hustling and playing better defense than I have seen a Knick team do in many yrs. We need to be patient. I guarantee this team will be better as the yr progresses. Fiz is a good young coach who we need to give him time here.

I agree with this to a point especially that Fizz deserves time.

I live in Boston. their record stunk but you could see certain principles on O and especially on D. In a funny way there's a parallel to Marcus Smart (picked 6 IIRC) and Frank. Tough defense at the point but offense was frustrating

Regarding this year, I agree re hustle and optimism about the players, but the stats say are defensive efficiency was better last year than this year (so to was offensive)

having said all of that, the big mantra is accountability. This should apply to players for sure, but so too for front office and coach

You really can't compare last yr to this esp at this point. Last yr KP was a MVP candidate , Jack was playing well , so was Lee,etc. I thought Hornacek was terrible esp with the younger players and esp bad in the 2nd half with regards to the future of this team going for meaningless wins.

As far as accountability for the coach and FO, I am ok with a total rebuild. I think Perry is doing great going younger and more athletic and I see the hustle of the players which reflects on the coach. Its not going to be pretty at times but it will help us in the long run.

Nalod wrote:Give Fiz more time? 14 games in and we are being critical of him? Article posted on UK page indicates good reasons why team is struggling. Lance out, Trier reverting to the reason he was not drafted, Frank might have shoulder strains (his shot does look awful) Knox hype was premature, Hardaway does not pass (Blind to Frank). IN defense to frank, he gets no good looks unless he is outside the three.......and Mitch is raw. I mean he was schooled last night. No raw athletic unless bigger than that mammal could have much success. Adam's has improved some nice fundamentals to his game that made Mitch look bad. This is what building a team is about.
Not every fan has the stomach for this.

Trier is still doing his thing. He's not reverting back to anything. He's an efficient scorer who doesn't do anything else yet. It will take a couple of years to be more than just a scorer.