CrushAlot wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

Chandler wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:It appears Fizdale is losing confidence in Frank. After looking like a comptent offensive player just a few weeks ago Frank has been horrid.

big mistake in my book. Frank's offense is at best inconsistent but there's no denying the team performs better with him on the floor.

i find it nuts that he's willing to let Burke and Mudiay take tons of bad shots and be ineffective otherwise.

We'll see how this plays out. Maybe he has Jedi mind tricks and can get Ntlinka to contribute more on offense.

Same. Burke and Mudiay suck and suck bad, Frank needs to be given minutes. Only because he does something well. Mudiay and Burke doesn't do anything at or above league average. Never understood why this was even a discussion.

It is a discussion because Frank struggles so much on offense and is so timid on that side of the floor. Also, Frank has gotten a lot of minutes from Fiz both on the hall and on the wing. I am worried about Frank's athleticism as well as his mindset on offense. As the starting point guar Frank has averaged 5 points a game for the last 7 games. He is young, plays good defense and should develop over time but to me he looks like a guy that is a solid rotation player and secondary ball handler. The Knicks need a point guard.

You might be right. Personally I think his defense is better than good but his offense is hurting the team

CrushAlot wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

Chandler wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:It appears Fizdale is losing confidence in Frank. After looking like a comptent offensive player just a few weeks ago Frank has been horrid.

big mistake in my book. Frank's offense is at best inconsistent but there's no denying the team performs better with him on the floor.

i find it nuts that he's willing to let Burke and Mudiay take tons of bad shots and be ineffective otherwise.

We'll see how this plays out. Maybe he has Jedi mind tricks and can get Ntlinka to contribute more on offense.

Same. Burke and Mudiay suck and suck bad, Frank needs to be given minutes. Only because he does something well. Mudiay and Burke doesn't do anything at or above league average. Never understood why this was even a discussion.

It is a discussion because Frank struggles so much on offense and is so timid on that side of the floor. Also, Frank has gotten a lot of minutes from Fiz both on the hall and on the wing. I am worried about Frank's athleticism as well as his mindset on offense. As the starting point guar Frank has averaged 5 points a game for the last 7 games. He is young, plays good defense and should develop over time but to me he looks like a guy that is a solid rotation player and secondary ball handler. The Knicks need a point guard.

It is only a discussion to people trying desperately to hold on to position based stereotypes of how basketball used to be played. The Knicks need two way players, not saying Frank is one, but at at he is a one way player. Mudiay and Burke are scrubs that should be in the G-league, because they don't do anything at the NBA level.

CrushAlot wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

Chandler wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:It appears Fizdale is losing confidence in Frank. After looking like a comptent offensive player just a few weeks ago Frank has been horrid.

big mistake in my book. Frank's offense is at best inconsistent but there's no denying the team performs better with him on the floor.

i find it nuts that he's willing to let Burke and Mudiay take tons of bad shots and be ineffective otherwise.

We'll see how this plays out. Maybe he has Jedi mind tricks and can get Ntlinka to contribute more on offense.

Same. Burke and Mudiay suck and suck bad, Frank needs to be given minutes. Only because he does something well. Mudiay and Burke doesn't do anything at or above league average. Never understood why this was even a discussion.

It is a discussion because Frank struggles so much on offense and is so timid on that side of the floor. Also, Frank has gotten a lot of minutes from Fiz both on the hall and on the wing. I am worried about Frank's athleticism as well as his mindset on offense. As the starting point guar Frank has averaged 5 points a game for the last 7 games. He is young, plays good defense and should develop over time but to me he looks like a guy that is a solid rotation player and secondary ball handler. The Knicks need a point guard.

It is only a discussion to people trying desperately to hold on to position based stereotypes of how basketball used to be played. The Knicks need two way players, not saying Frank is one, but at at he is a one way player. Mudiay and Burke are scrubs that should be in the G-league, because they don't do anything at the NBA level.

It's a discussion because Frank was a lottery pick and the Knicks have not had many because of mismanagement of assets. Frank is supposed to be a part of the foundation of the team.

Then how about you start rooting for him to be that, instead of finding every possible lame excuse to see someone else play in front of him? If there are better parts in the roster that are also young then that's one thing, but there aren't.

Jmpasq wrote:

arkrud wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

Chandler wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:It appears Fizdale is losing confidence in Frank. After looking like a comptent offensive player just a few weeks ago Frank has been horrid.

big mistake in my book. Frank's offense is at best inconsistent but there's no denying the team performs better with him on the floor.

i find it nuts that he's willing to let Burke and Mudiay take tons of bad shots and be ineffective otherwise.

We'll see how this plays out. Maybe he has Jedi mind tricks and can get Ntlinka to contribute more on offense.

Same. Burke and Mudiay suck and suck bad, Frank needs to be given minutes. Only because he does something well. Mudiay and Burke doesn't do anything at or above league average. Never understood why this was even a discussion.

Im so discouraged with thiss team. After games like this it shows how far away we are. Im terrified that maybe we have nothing. What if Porzingis is never healthy? What if Frank never develops an offensive game? What if Knox turns into a bigger version of Hardaway Jr?

Welcome to the rebuild.
One thing is to accept it in your mind and another to really feel it.
This is how it feels and this is truth.
This team, this coach, and the group of young players are just staring to understand what they are and what they can or cannot be.
Rebuild takes years and we are in year 1.
It will be many games like this so not be depressed.
Best is yet to come....

It doesn't feel like year 1. We have been awful for what seems like forever. We really need some luck in the draft. We have fallen spots its time for the law of averages to swing in the Knicks way and deliver the team the first pick.

Feelings are misleading as usual.
What we feel usually is not even close to the reality.
Rebuild starts when the organization commit to it ans start executing.
Last year was just a reflection and some initial cleanup.
This year we start building the culture and cleanup is still not over.
Will take couple of years just to balance the roster and get/develop the core.

CrushAlot wrote:A good read.
https://knicksfilmschool.com/2018/11/12/for-frank-ntilikina-could-less-be-more/

It is a good read, but don't expect the handful of Frank(can do no wrong)ntiilkinia team to agree.

They worse he plays the more minutes they want give him..There gonna wait 6 yrs for him to turn into billups

knicks1248 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:A good read.
https://knicksfilmschool.com/2018/11/12/for-frank-ntilikina-could-less-be-more/

It is a good read, but don't expect the handful of Frank(can do no wrong)ntiilkinia team to agree.

They worse he plays the more minutes they want give him..There gonna wait 6 yrs for him to turn into billups

Pulling frank after 5 min because of poor game planning by fiz is a load of bs...

You just got blown out by a bad team missing there best player....

Be a better coach! Stop playing the worst defensive center in the league without a defensive front court mate to back him up.

Yes we had a slow start but as soon as Kanter came in they blew the game wide open, Mitchell Robinson should have came in in the second quarter he only had 2 fouls just like frank shouldn’t be benched for poor coaching.

Step it up fiz the least you could do is have a better game plan, and have your team at the very least know what to do, not just run the same play on offense over and over and over again... Timmy was chucking aweful shots but frank gets benched... our best defensive player by a long shot, to me that’s aweful coaching .

Step it up fiz, your coaching has been nothing short of a disappointment

CrushAlot wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

Chandler wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:It appears Fizdale is losing confidence in Frank. After looking like a comptent offensive player just a few weeks ago Frank has been horrid.

big mistake in my book. Frank's offense is at best inconsistent but there's no denying the team performs better with him on the floor.

i find it nuts that he's willing to let Burke and Mudiay take tons of bad shots and be ineffective otherwise.

We'll see how this plays out. Maybe he has Jedi mind tricks and can get Ntlinka to contribute more on offense.

Same. Burke and Mudiay suck and suck bad, Frank needs to be given minutes. Only because he does something well. Mudiay and Burke doesn't do anything at or above league average. Never understood why this was even a discussion.

It is a discussion because Frank struggles so much on offense and is so timid on that side of the floor. Also, Frank has gotten a lot of minutes from Fiz both on the hall and on the wing. I am worried about Frank's athleticism as well as his mindset on offense. As the starting point guar Frank has averaged 5 points a game for the last 7 games. He is young, plays good defense and should develop over time but to me he looks like a guy that is a solid rotation player and secondary ball handler. The Knicks need a point guard.

It is only a discussion to people trying desperately to hold on to position based stereotypes of how basketball used to be played. The Knicks need two way players, not saying Frank is one, but at at he is a one way player. Mudiay and Burke are scrubs that should be in the G-league, because they don't do anything at the NBA level.

It's a discussion because Frank was a lottery pick and the Knicks have not had many because of mismanagement of assets. Frank is supposed to be a part of the foundation of the team.

Then how about you start rooting for him to be that, instead of finding every possible lame excuse to see someone else play in front of him? If there are better parts in the roster that are also young then that's one thing, but there aren't.

So if I post concerns about Frank it is 1. Because I still have positional stereotypes or 2. I am rooting against him? Just want the Knicks to be good and I am very concerned with Franks play on offense.

No it's not. But I haven't seen you post anything supportive about Frank that I remember. Why aren't you equally concerned about Burke or Mudiay on defense or as general basketball players?

The Knicks didn't draft either of those guys in the lottery, They basically got them off of the scrap heap. The investment isn't the same. Also, both guys are probably gone after this season.

If that's your core position, then ok. We are aligned

CrushAlot wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

Chandler wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:It appears Fizdale is losing confidence in Frank. After looking like a comptent offensive player just a few weeks ago Frank has been horrid.

big mistake in my book. Frank's offense is at best inconsistent but there's no denying the team performs better with him on the floor.

i find it nuts that he's willing to let Burke and Mudiay take tons of bad shots and be ineffective otherwise.

We'll see how this plays out. Maybe he has Jedi mind tricks and can get Ntlinka to contribute more on offense.

Same. Burke and Mudiay suck and suck bad, Frank needs to be given minutes. Only because he does something well. Mudiay and Burke doesn't do anything at or above league average. Never understood why this was even a discussion.

It is a discussion because Frank struggles so much on offense and is so timid on that side of the floor. Also, Frank has gotten a lot of minutes from Fiz both on the hall and on the wing. I am worried about Frank's athleticism as well as his mindset on offense. As the starting point guar Frank has averaged 5 points a game for the last 7 games. He is young, plays good defense and should develop over time but to me he looks like a guy that is a solid rotation player and secondary ball handler. The Knicks need a point guard.

It is only a discussion to people trying desperately to hold on to position based stereotypes of how basketball used to be played. The Knicks need two way players, not saying Frank is one, but at at he is a one way player. Mudiay and Burke are scrubs that should be in the G-league, because they don't do anything at the NBA level.

It's a discussion because Frank was a lottery pick and the Knicks have not had many because of mismanagement of assets. Frank is supposed to be a part of the foundation of the team.

Then how about you start rooting for him to be that, instead of finding every possible lame excuse to see someone else play in front of him? If there are better parts in the roster that are also young then that's one thing, but there aren't.

So if I post concerns about Frank it is 1. Because I still have positional stereotypes or 2. I am rooting against him? Just want the Knicks to be good and I am very concerned with Franks play on offense.

No it's not. But I haven't seen you post anything supportive about Frank that I remember. Why aren't you equally concerned about Burke or Mudiay on defense or as general basketball players?

The Knicks didn't draft either of those guys in the lottery, They basically got them off of the scrap heap. The investment isn't the same. Also, both guys are probably gone after this season.

Then why are you at the same time worried that trading FOR them (in Mudiay's case) is somehow an indictment of Frank?

fitzfarm wrote:

arkrud wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

Chandler wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:It appears Fizdale is losing confidence in Frank. After looking like a comptent offensive player just a few weeks ago Frank has been horrid.

big mistake in my book. Frank's offense is at best inconsistent but there's no denying the team performs better with him on the floor.

i find it nuts that he's willing to let Burke and Mudiay take tons of bad shots and be ineffective otherwise.

We'll see how this plays out. Maybe he has Jedi mind tricks and can get Ntlinka to contribute more on offense.

Same. Burke and Mudiay suck and suck bad, Frank needs to be given minutes. Only because he does something well. Mudiay and Burke doesn't do anything at or above league average. Never understood why this was even a discussion.

It is a discussion because Frank struggles so much on offense and is so timid on that side of the floor. Also, Frank has gotten a lot of minutes from Fiz both on the hall and on the wing. I am worried about Frank's athleticism as well as his mindset on offense. As the starting point guar Frank has averaged 5 points a game for the last 7 games. He is young, plays good defense and should develop over time but to me he looks like a guy that is a solid rotation player and secondary ball handler. The Knicks need a point guard.

He still looks like a boy with bigger body.
Psychologically he does not have this anger and determination that man need for greatness.
Some people take longer time to grow up.
Frank looks like one of those.
He is afraid to let his team down to a fault.
It is all mental with him.

Frank is only 20 it’s gonna take another year or two till we see adult frank start to dominate smaller players but make no mistake frank will be a beast among men.

How about another 20 year old Mitchell Robinson, it’s getting hard for fiz to even take him off the floor he’s such a dominating force on defense. It’s fun to watch him, freak out the opposing offense. .

We have a great young core in KP,Knox, Robinson,zo, frank

Add in a top free agent and a top 5 pick and this team is freaky, ready for eastern conference domination.

Kanter has to be on the block the guy is a aweful defensive player, So bad it negates his offense and great rebounding ability. He’s gotta go.

thanks for staying positive. (you're doing a great job impersonating nixluva)

martin wrote:

fitzfarm wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:A good read.
https://knicksfilmschool.com/2018/11/12/for-frank-ntilikina-could-less-be-more/

It is a good read, but don't expect the handful of Frank(can do no wrong)ntiilkinia team to agree.

They worse he plays the more minutes they want give him..There gonna wait 6 yrs for him to turn into billups

Pulling frank after 5 min because of poor game planning by fiz is a load of bs...

You just got blown out by a bad team missing there best player....

Be a better coach! Stop playing the worst defensive center in the league without a defensive front court mate to back him up.

Yes we had a slow start but as soon as Kanter came in they blew the game wide open, Mitchell Robinson should have came in in the second quarter he only had 2 fouls just like frank shouldn’t be benched for poor coaching.

Step it up fiz the least you could do is have a better game plan, and have your team at the very least know what to do, not just run the same play on offense over and over and over again... Timmy was chucking aweful shots but frank gets benched... our best defensive player by a long shot, to me that’s aweful coaching .

Step it up fiz, your coaching has been nothing short of a disappointment

I didn't think it was.

Players have got to realize you need to play with energy, purpose, not make the same mental mistakes over and over and over again without consequence. Frank needs to realize this.

And his shooting has been atrocious. Why NOT sit him?

Dude better come back energized and with a lather from shooting a million 3point shots after practice.

Yea I over reacted, my bad. I love franks defense, but he is only 20 and sitting him is part of the growing pains... I agree, he should be shooting a ton in practice and get his shot/confidence going.

H20 teach this kid the art of shooting!

fitzfarm wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:A good read.
https://knicksfilmschool.com/2018/11/12/for-frank-ntilikina-could-less-be-more/

It is a good read, but don't expect the handful of Frank(can do no wrong)ntiilkinia team to agree.

They worse he plays the more minutes they want give him..There gonna wait 6 yrs for him to turn into billups

Pulling frank after 5 min because of poor game planning by fiz is a load of bs...

You just got blown out by a bad team missing there best player....

Be a better coach! Stop playing the worst defensive center in the league without a defensive front court mate to back him up.

Yes we had a slow start but as soon as Kanter came in they blew the game wide open, Mitchell Robinson should have came in in the second quarter he only had 2 fouls just like frank shouldn’t be benched for poor coaching.

Step it up fiz the least you could do is have a better game plan, and have your team at the very least know what to do, not just run the same play on offense over and over and over again... Timmy was chucking aweful shots but frank gets benched... our best defensive player by a long shot, to me that’s aweful coaching .

Step it up fiz, your coaching has been nothing short of a disappointment

I agree with this.

Frank did not play well, no doubt. But he was made into a scapegoat. the other day Trier was horrendous, but coach returned to use him and he deliverde. We've seen the same with Frank

I hope Frank responds positively to this. Yes Fizz blew it, but there's also a message in this that Frank needs to absorb.

Since i don't like Mills (and have a push for the time being on Perry), I'll blame him. They have an agenda against him, and i worry he'll be traded for short money before long to continue a Knicks tradition of crappy FO decisions.