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Definitely PEDs...lol

newyorknewyork wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:Mudiay has 14 combined assists and 7 TOs over the last 5 games where he supposedly "broke out" as PG. He also has a net +/- of -9 over the same period.
The narrative people are pushing here trying to make this about Frank and his shortcomings is still the same old agenda driven bull****.
Mudiay is scrub, who plays little or no defense, he pushes the ball and commits turnovers as often as he converts fast breaks.
Starting PG my ass.

And yes giving him minutes forces Frank to play out of position and makes it twice as hard on him. This year should have been about developing the youth, clearly some fans are too enamored with inconsistent scorers to give a **** about that.

So the knicks coaching staff should only focus on getting frank better or just the players they drafted. Everybody else can kick rocks?

Pretty soon your'e going to hate fiz because he thinks they very opposite of how you think, he's a huge mudiay fan, a huge THJ fan, and in the last few games, he has cut back on franks and knox minutes to 15 per, (all on the negative side of plus/-)...the results have been very positive for the team

You think if frank and knox was playing well he would do that, he put those guys in the starting line up and gave them every opportunity to secure that role and they failed to impress, or even be avg, They played terrible.

Now that he's leaning more on mudiay, Kanter and burke, who clearly out played frank, knox and mitch...... aaaannnd we're winning some games..you think he should go back to teenagers and play himself

You talk about Mudiay and Burke like they're finish products, those guys have just taking their game up another level as oppose to Frank Knox who are a couple yrs away...

Let's get this straight, most of Frank's time in the starting lineup was at SF. Which was a stupid way to help him build his confidence.
And yes we invested our most valuable currency which is our draft picks on the youth and we brought Fiz in to develop that youth. That is the PRIMARY OBJECTIVE of a REBUILD. Trying to build up journeymen scrubs no one in the NBA wanted, for a three game winning streak during a season that won't lead to anything is exactly what he wasn't supposed to be doing. We have had enough fukking no defense chuckers in our history to have learned that lesson by now. But we have whole entire bandwagons of fans who justify playing time based on points scored even for PGs and don't even look at assist numbers, turnovers and God forbid defense.

While I'm on the develop the youth train. I feel there is no set way to develop players. Everyone develops differently. Frank after his first 2 games as a starting PG did not look good at all. It's then up to Fizz to judge Frank's personality and character and decide if he is actually growing through this trial and error or if he is losing confidence and regressing because there is much on his plate.

One thing I'm confident of is Frank is gonna put in the work to improve his game. So If he isn't ready yet mentally to take on these challenges today he will get there eventually. Still a long season left to go. I would like to see Fizz give Frank some designed plays though and build him up step by step.

Knicks have been winning so of course Mudiays having success will be highlighted and promoted. If Knicks were losing these games then things would probably be viewed differently.

Herzonia has been horrible but he has been getting starts. Fizz rotation seems to be based off experimenting.

I don't agree that Fiz should decide anything such after 2 games or 5 games. The whole point of a REBUILD is to let these guys play through their mistakes basically for the whole season. What Fiz is doing is the opposite. Again Frank needs to put in the work, never said he doesn't. And he didn't even start half of those 25 games at PG. Knicks are winning worthles games in a throwaway season of zero nonsense. Some people have difficulty grasping this simple truth. Nothing Mudiay is doing is sustainable, and he still doesn't play defense. And if the season is really that important they shouldn't have talked about doing a rebuild because its complete hypocrisy.

But half of our so called fans have written him off based on 25 games this season or can't wait to declare him a bench player so they can feel vindicated on their Phil hate. Not getting too suggest you are one of them.

meloshouldgo wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:Mudiay has 14 combined assists and 7 TOs over the last 5 games where he supposedly "broke out" as PG. He also has a net +/- of -9 over the same period.
The narrative people are pushing here trying to make this about Frank and his shortcomings is still the same old agenda driven bull****.
Mudiay is scrub, who plays little or no defense, he pushes the ball and commits turnovers as often as he converts fast breaks.
Starting PG my ass.

And yes giving him minutes forces Frank to play out of position and makes it twice as hard on him. This year should have been about developing the youth, clearly some fans are too enamored with inconsistent scorers to give a **** about that.

So the knicks coaching staff should only focus on getting frank better or just the players they drafted. Everybody else can kick rocks?

Pretty soon your'e going to hate fiz because he thinks they very opposite of how you think, he's a huge mudiay fan, a huge THJ fan, and in the last few games, he has cut back on franks and knox minutes to 15 per, (all on the negative side of plus/-)...the results have been very positive for the team

You think if frank and knox was playing well he would do that, he put those guys in the starting line up and gave them every opportunity to secure that role and they failed to impress, or even be avg, They played terrible.

Now that he's leaning more on mudiay, Kanter and burke, who clearly out played frank, knox and mitch...... aaaannnd we're winning some games..you think he should go back to teenagers and play himself

You talk about Mudiay and Burke like they're finish products, those guys have just taking their game up another level as oppose to Frank Knox who are a couple yrs away...

Let's get this straight, most of Frank's time in the starting lineup was at SF. Which was a stupid way to help him build his confidence.
And yes we invested our most valuable currency which is our draft picks on the youth and we brought Fiz in to develop that youth. That is the PRIMARY OBJECTIVE of a REBUILD. Trying to build up journeymen scrubs no one in the NBA wanted, for a three game winning streak during a season that won't lead to anything is exactly what he wasn't supposed to be doing. We have had enough fukking no defense chuckers in our history to have learned that lesson by now. But we have whole entire bandwagons of fans who justify playing time based on points scored even for PGs and don't even look at assist numbers, turnovers and God forbid defense.

While I'm on the develop the youth train. I feel there is no set way to develop players. Everyone develops differently. Frank after his first 2 games as a starting PG did not look good at all. It's then up to Fizz to judge Frank's personality and character and decide if he is actually growing through this trial and error or if he is losing confidence and regressing because there is much on his plate.

One thing I'm confident of is Frank is gonna put in the work to improve his game. So If he isn't ready yet mentally to take on these challenges today he will get there eventually. Still a long season left to go. I would like to see Fizz give Frank some designed plays though and build him up step by step.

Knicks have been winning so of course Mudiays having success will be highlighted and promoted. If Knicks were losing these games then things would probably be viewed differently.

Herzonia has been horrible but he has been getting starts. Fizz rotation seems to be based off experimenting.

I don't agree that Fiz should decide anything such after 2 games or 5 games. The whole point of a REBUILD is to let these guys play through their mistakes basically for the whole season. What Fiz is doing is the opposite. Again Frank needs to put in the work, never said he doesn't. And he didn't even start half of those 25 games at PG. Knicks are winning worthles games in a throwaway season of zero nonsense. Some people have difficulty grasping this simple truth. Nothing Mudiay is doing is sustainable, and he still doesn't play defense. And if the season is really that important they shouldn't have talked about doing a rebuild because its complete hypocrisy.

But half of our so called fans have written him off based on 25 games this season or can't wait to declare him a bench player so they can feel vindicated on their Phil hate. Not getting too suggest you are one of them.

meloshouldgo wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:Mudiay has 14 combined assists and 7 TOs over the last 5 games where he supposedly "broke out" as PG. He also has a net +/- of -9 over the same period.
The narrative people are pushing here trying to make this about Frank and his shortcomings is still the same old agenda driven bull****.
Mudiay is scrub, who plays little or no defense, he pushes the ball and commits turnovers as often as he converts fast breaks.
Starting PG my ass.

And yes giving him minutes forces Frank to play out of position and makes it twice as hard on him. This year should have been about developing the youth, clearly some fans are too enamored with inconsistent scorers to give a **** about that.

So the knicks coaching staff should only focus on getting frank better or just the players they drafted. Everybody else can kick rocks?

Pretty soon your'e going to hate fiz because he thinks they very opposite of how you think, he's a huge mudiay fan, a huge THJ fan, and in the last few games, he has cut back on franks and knox minutes to 15 per, (all on the negative side of plus/-)...the results have been very positive for the team

You think if frank and knox was playing well he would do that, he put those guys in the starting line up and gave them every opportunity to secure that role and they failed to impress, or even be avg, They played terrible.

Now that he's leaning more on mudiay, Kanter and burke, who clearly out played frank, knox and mitch...... aaaannnd we're winning some games..you think he should go back to teenagers and play himself

You talk about Mudiay and Burke like they're finish products, those guys have just taking their game up another level as oppose to Frank Knox who are a couple yrs away...

Let's get this straight, most of Frank's time in the starting lineup was at SF. Which was a stupid way to help him build his confidence.
And yes we invested our most valuable currency which is our draft picks on the youth and we brought Fiz in to develop that youth. That is the PRIMARY OBJECTIVE of a REBUILD. Trying to build up journeymen scrubs no one in the NBA wanted, for a three game winning streak during a season that won't lead to anything is exactly what he wasn't supposed to be doing. We have had enough fukking no defense chuckers in our history to have learned that lesson by now. But we have whole entire bandwagons of fans who justify playing time based on points scored even for PGs and don't even look at assist numbers, turnovers and God forbid defense.

While I'm on the develop the youth train. I feel there is no set way to develop players. Everyone develops differently. Frank after his first 2 games as a starting PG did not look good at all. It's then up to Fizz to judge Frank's personality and character and decide if he is actually growing through this trial and error or if he is losing confidence and regressing because there is much on his plate.

One thing I'm confident of is Frank is gonna put in the work to improve his game. So If he isn't ready yet mentally to take on these challenges today he will get there eventually. Still a long season left to go. I would like to see Fizz give Frank some designed plays though and build him up step by step.

Knicks have been winning so of course Mudiays having success will be highlighted and promoted. If Knicks were losing these games then things would probably be viewed differently.

Herzonia has been horrible but he has been getting starts. Fizz rotation seems to be based off experimenting.

I don't agree that Fiz should decide anything such after 2 games or 5 games. The whole point of a REBUILD is to let these guys play through their mistakes basically for the whole season. What Fiz is doing is the opposite. Again Frank needs to put in the work, never said he doesn't. And he didn't even start half of those 25 games at PG. Knicks are winning worthles games in a throwaway season of zero nonsense. Some people have difficulty grasping this simple truth. Nothing Mudiay is doing is sustainable, and he still doesn't play defense. And if the season is really that important they shouldn't have talked about doing a rebuild because its complete hypocrisy.

But half of our so called fans have written him off based on 25 games this season or can't wait to declare him a bench player so they can feel vindicated on their Phil hate. Not getting too suggest you are one of them.

The Knicks have played 21 games not 25. Frank has started 9 games at the point. That is more than any other young lottery point guard on the team.

That's your way of looking at it. Frank started 9-22 games and Mudiay 8-15 at PG.

I have to ask, how do you know what Mudiay is doing isn't sustainable? He is in great shape, isn't falling when he takes it to the rim and is playing with confidence. There are a lot of articles about Mudiay and his success. At least a couple talk about very good point guards who needed a few years to figure things out. Management wanted Mudiay. Beer has an article out today about the bond Fiz and Mudiay have had since Fiz was hired. It's worth your time to read it. It talks about the work Mudiay put in, how quickly he began working with Fiz ( a ton), etc.

Because I watch him play and suck ass on defense. I watch how bad his control is on fast breaks and how as a starting point guard he gets 2 assists and 2 TOs in a game with 4-13 shooting. I'll stick to watching games, you can read Beer to your heart'scontent. If that's even his real name? Just to be clear I didn't say he can't average 10 poimnts a game, which is his current mark for the season. When I said not sustainable - I meant hos performance over the last 5 games. That's not sutainable, IMO. Like most players he will regress to his mean as will his shooting percentages. His two games against the NOP stand out as good games, and he actually played defense on the second one. That's about it.

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Lately he has a great game followed by a poor one. I hope the coaching staff is spending some time one on one with him and telling him what to focus on

fishmike wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:Mudiay has 14 combined assists and 7 TOs over the last 5 games where he supposedly "broke out" as PG. He also has a net +/- of -9 over the same period.
The narrative people are pushing here trying to make this about Frank and his shortcomings is still the same old agenda driven bull****.
Mudiay is scrub, who plays little or no defense, he pushes the ball and commits turnovers as often as he converts fast breaks.
Starting PG my ass.

And yes giving him minutes forces Frank to play out of position and makes it twice as hard on him. This year should have been about developing the youth, clearly some fans are too enamored with inconsistent scorers to give a **** about that.

So the knicks coaching staff should only focus on getting frank better or just the players they drafted. Everybody else can kick rocks?

Pretty soon your'e going to hate fiz because he thinks they very opposite of how you think, he's a huge mudiay fan, a huge THJ fan, and in the last few games, he has cut back on franks and knox minutes to 15 per, (all on the negative side of plus/-)...the results have been very positive for the team

You think if frank and knox was playing well he would do that, he put those guys in the starting line up and gave them every opportunity to secure that role and they failed to impress, or even be avg, They played terrible.

Now that he's leaning more on mudiay, Kanter and burke, who clearly out played frank, knox and mitch...... aaaannnd we're winning some games..you think he should go back to teenagers and play himself

You talk about Mudiay and Burke like they're finish products, those guys have just taking their game up another level as oppose to Frank Knox who are a couple yrs away...

Let's get this straight, most of Frank's time in the starting lineup was at SF. Which was a stupid way to help him build his confidence.
And yes we invested our most valuable currency which is our draft picks on the youth and we brought Fiz in to develop that youth. That is the PRIMARY OBJECTIVE of a REBUILD. Trying to build up journeymen scrubs no one in the NBA wanted, for a three game winning streak during a season that won't lead to anything is exactly what he wasn't supposed to be doing. We have had enough fukking no defense chuckers in our history to have learned that lesson by now. But we have whole entire bandwagons of fans who justify playing time based on points scored even for PGs and don't even look at assist numbers, turnovers and God forbid defense.

While I'm on the develop the youth train. I feel there is no set way to develop players. Everyone develops differently. Frank after his first 2 games as a starting PG did not look good at all. It's then up to Fizz to judge Frank's personality and character and decide if he is actually growing through this trial and error or if he is losing confidence and regressing because there is much on his plate.

One thing I'm confident of is Frank is gonna put in the work to improve his game. So If he isn't ready yet mentally to take on these challenges today he will get there eventually. Still a long season left to go. I would like to see Fizz give Frank some designed plays though and build him up step by step.

Knicks have been winning so of course Mudiays having success will be highlighted and promoted. If Knicks were losing these games then things would probably be viewed differently.

Herzonia has been horrible but he has been getting starts. Fizz rotation seems to be based off experimenting.

I don't agree that Fiz should decide anything such after 2 games or 5 games. The whole point of a REBUILD is to let these guys play through their mistakes basically for the whole season. What Fiz is doing is the opposite. Again Frank needs to put in the work, never said he doesn't. And he didn't even start half of those 25 games at PG. Knicks are winning worthles games in a throwaway season of zero nonsense. Some people have difficulty grasping this simple truth. Nothing Mudiay is doing is sustainable, and he still doesn't play defense. And if the season is really that important they shouldn't have talked about doing a rebuild because its complete hypocrisy.

But half of our so called fans have written him off based on 25 games this season or can't wait to declare him a bench player so they can feel vindicated on their Phil hate. Not getting too suggest you are one of them.

The Knicks have played 21 games not 25. Frank has started 9 games at the point. That is more than any other young lottery point guard on the team.

That's your way of looking at it. Frank started 9-22 games and Mudiay 8-15 at PG.

I have to ask, how do you know what Mudiay is doing isn't sustainable? He is in great shape, isn't falling when he takes it to the rim and is playing with confidence. There are a lot of articles about Mudiay and his success. At least a couple talk about very good point guards who needed a few years to figure things out. Management wanted Mudiay. Beer has an article out today about the bond Fiz and Mudiay have had since Fiz was hired. It's worth your time to read it. It talks about the work Mudiay put in, how quickly he began working with Fiz ( a ton), etc.

Because I watch him play and suck ass on defense. I watch how bad his control is on fast breaks and how as a starting point guard he gets 2 assists and 2 TOs in a game with 4-13 shooting. I'll stick to watching games, you can read Beer to your heart'scontent. If that's even his real name? Just to be clear I didn't say he can't average 10 poimnts a game, which is his current mark for the season. When I said not sustainable - I meant hos performance over the last 5 games. That's not sutainable, IMO. Like most players he will regress to his mean as will his shooting percentages. His two games against the NOP stand out as good games, and he actually played defense on the second one. That's about it.

If you click on the tweet you can link to the article. I watch the games. I am amazed at the criticism of the coach and the attacking of guys not named Frank in the game thread. I don't participate as much because I would rather watch and root for the team. It has to suck to hate guys on the team you root for because you think they are taking your favorite players job. It the only guy on the roster that might have a complaint about effort/performance translating to minutes has been Dotson. I think Fiz has done a really good job so far. I think the front office and the coach are invested in Frank and Mudiay being successful.

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totally agree. This is about the team, about the Knicks.

Crush I agree Fiz has been great. Didnt Burke start breaking out after being benched? Pretty sure Doton's #s were way down before he got benched as well, and look what he's done since coming back. So far these moves have worked great and the team and players continue to improve.

Kyle Lowry was phucking trash his first 4-5 years in the league. Steve Nash didnt do doodoo his first 4-5 year. We know it will take 2 minutes for the grumpy geniuses of UK to declare that fish thinks Mudiay is the next Steve Nash, which is not the point.

The point is you either understand that some players take time in the league to develop or you dont. That doesnt mean that every player will eventually blossom. It just means if you are willing to invest time and development with enough young guys with talent you can find good players.

We have a young dynamic coach who has taken young guys under his wing. A week ago people were talking about NBA politics and how Dotson was prolly out because he was Phil pick. Now he's 3 games back after a little shooting like 65%, dropping 17pgg and is +25 in those 3 games combined. In the 5 games before sitting he was -40, and shot over 40% once. So WE SEE the coaching yanking young players around like this is terrible but the reality is we dont know what Fiz is telling them and so far none of these guys hang their heads. In fact they come back on fire.

BigDaddyG wrote:

fishmike wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:Mudiay has 14 combined assists and 7 TOs over the last 5 games where he supposedly "broke out" as PG. He also has a net +/- of -9 over the same period.
The narrative people are pushing here trying to make this about Frank and his shortcomings is still the same old agenda driven bull****.
Mudiay is scrub, who plays little or no defense, he pushes the ball and commits turnovers as often as he converts fast breaks.
Starting PG my ass.

And yes giving him minutes forces Frank to play out of position and makes it twice as hard on him. This year should have been about developing the youth, clearly some fans are too enamored with inconsistent scorers to give a **** about that.

So the knicks coaching staff should only focus on getting frank better or just the players they drafted. Everybody else can kick rocks?

Pretty soon your'e going to hate fiz because he thinks they very opposite of how you think, he's a huge mudiay fan, a huge THJ fan, and in the last few games, he has cut back on franks and knox minutes to 15 per, (all on the negative side of plus/-)...the results have been very positive for the team

You think if frank and knox was playing well he would do that, he put those guys in the starting line up and gave them every opportunity to secure that role and they failed to impress, or even be avg, They played terrible.

Now that he's leaning more on mudiay, Kanter and burke, who clearly out played frank, knox and mitch...... aaaannnd we're winning some games..you think he should go back to teenagers and play himself

You talk about Mudiay and Burke like they're finish products, those guys have just taking their game up another level as oppose to Frank Knox who are a couple yrs away...

Let's get this straight, most of Frank's time in the starting lineup was at SF. Which was a stupid way to help him build his confidence.
And yes we invested our most valuable currency which is our draft picks on the youth and we brought Fiz in to develop that youth. That is the PRIMARY OBJECTIVE of a REBUILD. Trying to build up journeymen scrubs no one in the NBA wanted, for a three game winning streak during a season that won't lead to anything is exactly what he wasn't supposed to be doing. We have had enough fukking no defense chuckers in our history to have learned that lesson by now. But we have whole entire bandwagons of fans who justify playing time based on points scored even for PGs and don't even look at assist numbers, turnovers and God forbid defense.

While I'm on the develop the youth train. I feel there is no set way to develop players. Everyone develops differently. Frank after his first 2 games as a starting PG did not look good at all. It's then up to Fizz to judge Frank's personality and character and decide if he is actually growing through this trial and error or if he is losing confidence and regressing because there is much on his plate.

One thing I'm confident of is Frank is gonna put in the work to improve his game. So If he isn't ready yet mentally to take on these challenges today he will get there eventually. Still a long season left to go. I would like to see Fizz give Frank some designed plays though and build him up step by step.

Knicks have been winning so of course Mudiays having success will be highlighted and promoted. If Knicks were losing these games then things would probably be viewed differently.

Herzonia has been horrible but he has been getting starts. Fizz rotation seems to be based off experimenting.

I don't agree that Fiz should decide anything such after 2 games or 5 games. The whole point of a REBUILD is to let these guys play through their mistakes basically for the whole season. What Fiz is doing is the opposite. Again Frank needs to put in the work, never said he doesn't. And he didn't even start half of those 25 games at PG. Knicks are winning worthles games in a throwaway season of zero nonsense. Some people have difficulty grasping this simple truth. Nothing Mudiay is doing is sustainable, and he still doesn't play defense. And if the season is really that important they shouldn't have talked about doing a rebuild because its complete hypocrisy.

But half of our so called fans have written him off based on 25 games this season or can't wait to declare him a bench player so they can feel vindicated on their Phil hate. Not getting too suggest you are one of them.

The Knicks have played 21 games not 25. Frank has started 9 games at the point. That is more than any other young lottery point guard on the team.

That's your way of looking at it. Frank started 9-22 games and Mudiay 8-15 at PG.

I have to ask, how do you know what Mudiay is doing isn't sustainable? He is in great shape, isn't falling when he takes it to the rim and is playing with confidence. There are a lot of articles about Mudiay and his success. At least a couple talk about very good point guards who needed a few years to figure things out. Management wanted Mudiay. Beer has an article out today about the bond Fiz and Mudiay have had since Fiz was hired. It's worth your time to read it. It talks about the work Mudiay put in, how quickly he began working with Fiz ( a ton), etc.

Because I watch him play and suck ass on defense. I watch how bad his control is on fast breaks and how as a starting point guard he gets 2 assists and 2 TOs in a game with 4-13 shooting. I'll stick to watching games, you can read Beer to your heart'scontent. If that's even his real name? Just to be clear I didn't say he can't average 10 poimnts a game, which is his current mark for the season. When I said not sustainable - I meant hos performance over the last 5 games. That's not sutainable, IMO. Like most players he will regress to his mean as will his shooting percentages. His two games against the NOP stand out as good games, and he actually played defense on the second one. That's about it.

If you click on the tweet you can link to the article. I watch the games. I am amazed at the criticism of the coach and the attacking of guys not named Frank in the game thread. I don't participate as much because I would rather watch and root for the team. It has to suck to hate guys on the team you root for because you think they are taking your favorite players job. It the only guy on the roster that might have a complaint about effort/performance translating to minutes has been Dotson. I think Fiz has done a really good job so far. I think the front office and the coach are invested in Frank and Mudiay being successful.

Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL:

https://twitter.com/tommybeer/status/1067541028633219072

totally agree. This is about the team, about the Knicks.

Crush I agree Fiz has been great. Didnt Burke start breaking out after being benched? Pretty sure Doton's #s were way down before he got benched as well, and look what he's done since coming back. So far these moves have worked great and the team and players continue to improve.

Kyle Lowry was phucking trash his first 4-5 years in the league. Steve Nash didnt do doodoo his first 4-5 year. We know it will take 2 minutes for the grumpy geniuses of UK to declare that fish thinks Mudiay is the next Steve Nash, which is not the point.

The point is you either understand that some players take time in the league to develop or you dont. That doesnt mean that every player will eventually blossom. It just means if you are willing to invest time and development with enough young guys with talent you can find good players.

We have a young dynamic coach who has taken young guys under his wing. A week ago people were talking about NBA politics and how Dotson was prolly out because he was Phil pick. Now he's 3 games back after a little shooting like 65%, dropping 17pgg and is +25 in those 3 games combined. In the 5 games before sitting he was -40, and shot over 40% once. So WE SEE the coaching yanking young players around like this is terrible but the reality is we dont know what Fiz is telling them and so far none of these guys hang their heads. In fact they come back on fire.

I won't say Fiz is doing a great job because of the chaotic nature of his lineups and depth chart from night to night. This needs to stop. Even if he decides to keep Mario in the starting lineup for the time being, he needs to settle in. But the players are buying in and that's the biggest key for any coach.

fishmike wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

fishmike wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:Mudiay has 14 combined assists and 7 TOs over the last 5 games where he supposedly "broke out" as PG. He also has a net +/- of -9 over the same period.
The narrative people are pushing here trying to make this about Frank and his shortcomings is still the same old agenda driven bull****.
Mudiay is scrub, who plays little or no defense, he pushes the ball and commits turnovers as often as he converts fast breaks.
Starting PG my ass.

And yes giving him minutes forces Frank to play out of position and makes it twice as hard on him. This year should have been about developing the youth, clearly some fans are too enamored with inconsistent scorers to give a **** about that.

So the knicks coaching staff should only focus on getting frank better or just the players they drafted. Everybody else can kick rocks?

Pretty soon your'e going to hate fiz because he thinks they very opposite of how you think, he's a huge mudiay fan, a huge THJ fan, and in the last few games, he has cut back on franks and knox minutes to 15 per, (all on the negative side of plus/-)...the results have been very positive for the team

You think if frank and knox was playing well he would do that, he put those guys in the starting line up and gave them every opportunity to secure that role and they failed to impress, or even be avg, They played terrible.

Now that he's leaning more on mudiay, Kanter and burke, who clearly out played frank, knox and mitch...... aaaannnd we're winning some games..you think he should go back to teenagers and play himself

You talk about Mudiay and Burke like they're finish products, those guys have just taking their game up another level as oppose to Frank Knox who are a couple yrs away...

Let's get this straight, most of Frank's time in the starting lineup was at SF. Which was a stupid way to help him build his confidence.
And yes we invested our most valuable currency which is our draft picks on the youth and we brought Fiz in to develop that youth. That is the PRIMARY OBJECTIVE of a REBUILD. Trying to build up journeymen scrubs no one in the NBA wanted, for a three game winning streak during a season that won't lead to anything is exactly what he wasn't supposed to be doing. We have had enough fukking no defense chuckers in our history to have learned that lesson by now. But we have whole entire bandwagons of fans who justify playing time based on points scored even for PGs and don't even look at assist numbers, turnovers and God forbid defense.

While I'm on the develop the youth train. I feel there is no set way to develop players. Everyone develops differently. Frank after his first 2 games as a starting PG did not look good at all. It's then up to Fizz to judge Frank's personality and character and decide if he is actually growing through this trial and error or if he is losing confidence and regressing because there is much on his plate.

One thing I'm confident of is Frank is gonna put in the work to improve his game. So If he isn't ready yet mentally to take on these challenges today he will get there eventually. Still a long season left to go. I would like to see Fizz give Frank some designed plays though and build him up step by step.

Knicks have been winning so of course Mudiays having success will be highlighted and promoted. If Knicks were losing these games then things would probably be viewed differently.

Herzonia has been horrible but he has been getting starts. Fizz rotation seems to be based off experimenting.

I don't agree that Fiz should decide anything such after 2 games or 5 games. The whole point of a REBUILD is to let these guys play through their mistakes basically for the whole season. What Fiz is doing is the opposite. Again Frank needs to put in the work, never said he doesn't. And he didn't even start half of those 25 games at PG. Knicks are winning worthles games in a throwaway season of zero nonsense. Some people have difficulty grasping this simple truth. Nothing Mudiay is doing is sustainable, and he still doesn't play defense. And if the season is really that important they shouldn't have talked about doing a rebuild because its complete hypocrisy.

But half of our so called fans have written him off based on 25 games this season or can't wait to declare him a bench player so they can feel vindicated on their Phil hate. Not getting too suggest you are one of them.

The Knicks have played 21 games not 25. Frank has started 9 games at the point. That is more than any other young lottery point guard on the team.

That's your way of looking at it. Frank started 9-22 games and Mudiay 8-15 at PG.

I have to ask, how do you know what Mudiay is doing isn't sustainable? He is in great shape, isn't falling when he takes it to the rim and is playing with confidence. There are a lot of articles about Mudiay and his success. At least a couple talk about very good point guards who needed a few years to figure things out. Management wanted Mudiay. Beer has an article out today about the bond Fiz and Mudiay have had since Fiz was hired. It's worth your time to read it. It talks about the work Mudiay put in, how quickly he began working with Fiz ( a ton), etc.

Because I watch him play and suck ass on defense. I watch how bad his control is on fast breaks and how as a starting point guard he gets 2 assists and 2 TOs in a game with 4-13 shooting. I'll stick to watching games, you can read Beer to your heart'scontent. If that's even his real name? Just to be clear I didn't say he can't average 10 poimnts a game, which is his current mark for the season. When I said not sustainable - I meant hos performance over the last 5 games. That's not sutainable, IMO. Like most players he will regress to his mean as will his shooting percentages. His two games against the NOP stand out as good games, and he actually played defense on the second one. That's about it.

If you click on the tweet you can link to the article. I watch the games. I am amazed at the criticism of the coach and the attacking of guys not named Frank in the game thread. I don't participate as much because I would rather watch and root for the team. It has to suck to hate guys on the team you root for because you think they are taking your favorite players job. It the only guy on the roster that might have a complaint about effort/performance translating to minutes has been Dotson. I think Fiz has done a really good job so far. I think the front office and the coach are invested in Frank and Mudiay being successful.

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totally agree. This is about the team, about the Knicks.

Crush I agree Fiz has been great. Didnt Burke start breaking out after being benched? Pretty sure Doton's #s were way down before he got benched as well, and look what he's done since coming back. So far these moves have worked great and the team and players continue to improve.

Kyle Lowry was phucking trash his first 4-5 years in the league. Steve Nash didnt do doodoo his first 4-5 year. We know it will take 2 minutes for the grumpy geniuses of UK to declare that fish thinks Mudiay is the next Steve Nash, which is not the point.

The point is you either understand that some players take time in the league to develop or you dont. That doesnt mean that every player will eventually blossom. It just means if you are willing to invest time and development with enough young guys with talent you can find good players.

We have a young dynamic coach who has taken young guys under his wing. A week ago people were talking about NBA politics and how Dotson was prolly out because he was Phil pick. Now he's 3 games back after a little shooting like 65%, dropping 17pgg and is +25 in those 3 games combined. In the 5 games before sitting he was -40, and shot over 40% once. So WE SEE the coaching yanking young players around like this is terrible but the reality is we dont know what Fiz is telling them and so far none of these guys hang their heads. In fact they come back on fire.

I won't say Fiz is doing a great job because of the chaotic nature of his lineups and depth chart from night to night. This needs to stop. Even if he decides to keep Mario in the starting lineup for the time being, he needs to settle in. But the players are buying in and that's the biggest key for any coach.

why? I mean why specifically that?