Nalod wrote:I saw another shyt show last night despite the line up changes.
If your going to suck, might as well let Frank be in there with Mitchell and Knox and let them play thru it.
When Adam Silver starts complaining because teams are not getting good attendance numbers KP should be about ready for the last third of the season.
Meanwhile we are pairing down the scrap heap as to who stays and who gets waived.

Yep, Mudiay is a washed up scrub who doesn't do anything at a NBA average level.

Nalod wrote:I saw another shyt show last night despite the line up changes.
If your going to suck, might as well let Frank be in there with Mitchell and Knox and let them play thru it.
When Adam Silver starts complaining because teams are not getting good attendance numbers KP should be about ready for the last third of the season.
Meanwhile we are pairing down the scrap heap as to who stays and who gets waived.

Precisely put.

The metric for PGs is 5 years of NBA experience before they shine - true almost to the man.

You play Mudiay because you have him for the year - nothing to lose, stealing nobody's time. If he shows you something by year's end you have a PG prospect, if not you took a calculated risk.

Frankie is two years away from being the player he will be. Today, he should be starting at some position and just getting minutes, throwing up bricks, and playing with passion - NO expectations except growth. This is a development year.

Fizdale needs to stop tinkering with lineups as if there's something to be gained that way. Expect to lose no matter what. In which case, play the future. Play the flyer on a guy like Mudiay.

Jenkins in Westchester is one of those guys who has kicked around for three or four years - is he turning a corner? Take a look. He's a scoring machine.

Move Kanter - anywhere for anything. Hezonja and Burke the same. They don't belong in a rebuild team.

Yes to Mitchell and Knox.

No to Porky believing he is ready to play this year - for what? He's becoming a head case.

fwk00 wrote:Jenkins in Westchester is one of those guys who has kicked around for three or four years - is he turning a corner? Take a look. He's a scoring machine.

Jenkins has always been a scoring machine. There are clips of him blowing up in NBA games. The questions about his game centered around defense and athleticism. I think he had some injuries which also cost him some athleticism. I'm not sure he's turned a corner, but I'm not against giving him a shot.

Chandler wrote:Mudiay remains an enigma.

Mudiay is less than a JAG ( Just Another Guy), he's literally only a warm body.

I became friends with a guy I met during my Combine. We stayed in touch and I visited him a few times. His hometown has a ton of Navy guys coming back from deployment all the time. I saw three young guys, just happy to be on leave and probably around nearly zero women, literally trying to fondle up the ugliest woman I've ever seen. I still don't know where her neck was, because it was just chin melding into torso. Imagine a Pokemon character being hit with a flamethrower. Charizar! But when you are starving, everything tastes good. She was just a warm body. Another X instead of a Y chromosome. Or what we affectionately called "The Roast Beef Flaps Blue Plate Special" back in college ball.

Sometimes you just need a warm body.

The Knicks PG job is literally for the taking. It's not like anyone is stepping up to grab it. If Mudiay wanted it bad enough and worked hard enough, it would be his to own. His three point shot is still ****. His physical conditioning is still ****. His FT is still ****. All things you can work on and just improve with attrition.

He's a warm body here because the Knicks totally ****ed up their cap sheet and asset base and can't afford anyone else. He's more fallout of Phil Jackson just completely ****ting the bed on this team. Jackson left such a mess, Perry didn't have any options to do better than just a warm body.

Mudiay literally does nothing well. And he's inconsistent.

When you are starving, everything tastes good.

Knicks PG situation is pretty depressing right now. So people want to hope Mudiay can be something he's not.

Mudiay is not an enigma. He's just a loose pair of Roast Beef Flaps here. Just a warm body. Better than nothing. But not by much.

Fucking guy literally does nothing well. He's here because he won the genetic lottery. He's tall enough and athletic enough to stay on the fringes of the league bottom feeders.

The PG starting job is literally there for anyone to take. Has he taken it? Then you have your answer about him right there.

Vmart wrote:

TripleThreat wrote:

Chandler wrote:Mudiay remains an enigma.

Mudiay is less than a JAG ( Just Another Guy), he's literally only a warm body.

I became friends with a guy I met during my Combine. We stayed in touch and I visited him a few times. His hometown has a ton of Navy guys coming back from deployment all the time. I saw three young guys, just happy to be on leave and probably around nearly zero women, literally trying to fondle up the ugliest woman I've ever seen. I still don't know where her neck was, because it was just chin melding into torso. Imagine a Pokemon character being hit with a flamethrower. Charizar! But when you are starving, everything tastes good. She was just a warm body. Another X instead of a Y chromosome. Or what we affectionately called "The Roast Beef Flaps Blue Plate Special" back in college ball.

Sometimes you just need a warm body.

The Knicks PG job is literally for the taking. It's not like anyone is stepping up to grab it. If Mudiay wanted it bad enough and worked hard enough, it would be his to own. His three point shot is still ****. His physical conditioning is still ****. His FT is still ****. All things you can work on and just improve with attrition.

He's a warm body here because the Knicks totally ****ed up their cap sheet and asset base and can't afford anyone else. He's more fallout of Phil Jackson just completely ****ting the bed on this team. Jackson left such a mess, Perry didn't have any options to do better than just a warm body.

Mudiay literally does nothing well. And he's inconsistent.

When you are starving, everything tastes good.

Knicks PG situation is pretty depressing right now. So people want to hope Mudiay can be something he's not.

Mudiay is not an enigma. He's just a loose pair of Roast Beef Flaps here. Just a warm body. Better than nothing. But not by much.

Fucking guy literally does nothing well. He's here because he won the genetic lottery. He's tall enough and athletic enough to stay on the fringes of the league bottom feeders.

The PG starting job is literally there for anyone to take. Has he taken it? Then you have your answer about him right there.

I agree with you point of view. The bigger problem here is they want this guy over Frank because he isn’t a Perry pick up. Now is Frank doing well hell no. But I think there maybe more to this. I’m sure there is politicking going on.

There are plenty of PGs that are able to produce big numbers from day 1. Only in recent years has there been a dive into "advanced analytics" - whether the players are contributing on the floor regardless of their primary stats.

CP3, Jason Kidd, even Dennis Smith Jr have produced solid numbers from day 1. Trey Burke (12.8ppg, 5.7apg, 3.0rpg) had a solid enough rookie year that you'd have projected more in year 2, 3, 4, 5...

Heads they win: If these players develop this year, what do we gain from that? It's not like we retain control on a team friendly contract. Instead, their improved plays just ups their contract expectations. DO not expect a home team discount (this caliber of player will rightfully want to make as much as they can on their next contract, because it might be their last; the best we can hope is that we have a matching offer and they choose us out of loyalty)

Tails we lose: Regardless of whether they develop, every minute they consume is at the expense of playing time for the youths we have on team friendly contracts and who we expect to remain with the team

I continue to think we would have been better served getting some cheaper vets (not as old as Jack) who can at least teach the youths how to get it done

I also think it's extreme hubris to profess that we'll succeed in development where Portland, Denver, Indiana, Utah failed -- those are quality programs

Having said all of that, because I am a fan I will continue to pull for them.

I want Mudiay to shoot with balance, attack the rim, and work on your FTs -- it's an embarrassment that you're at roughly 50%. For god's sake, Mitchell robinson is better at the stripe than you at the moment. Stop pretending to be Michael Jordan. Keep your shots simple

Vonleh, happy with him -- perhaps because of lower expectations. Needs to avoid dumb fouls, and stay positive

Burke, he needs to score. He can only contribute to this team if he outscores his opponents, he's not going to be a contributor on defense, and for that matter not much of a passer. There is still a role for his skill set though if he embraces it

Hezonja a lost soul. Always looking for the home run. I don't see him in the NBA next year (maybe not even the remainder of this one, when they sign Trier).

Vmart wrote:

Chandler wrote:
I think this was a gross miscalculation by the FO concerning Mudiay, Vonleh, Burke and Hezonja. This is the epitome of heads they win; tails we lose.

Heads they win: If these players develop this year, what do we gain from that? It's not like we retain control on a team friendly contract. Instead, their improved plays just ups their contract expectations. DO not expect a home team discount (this caliber of player will rightfully want to make as much as they can on their next contract, because it might be their last; the best we can hope is that we have a matching offer and they choose us out of loyalty)

Tails we lose: Regardless of whether they develop, every minute they consume is at the expense of playing time for the youths we have on team friendly contracts and who we expect to remain with the team

I continue to think we would have been better served getting some cheaper vets (not as old as Jack) who can at least teach the youths how to get it done

I also think it's extreme hubris to profess that we'll succeed in development where Portland, Denver, Indiana, Utah failed -- those are quality programs

Having said all of that, because I am a fan I will continue to pull for them.

I want Mudiay to shoot with balance, attack the rim, and work on your FTs -- it's an embarrassment that you're at roughly 50%. For god's sake, Mitchell robinson is better at the stripe than you at the moment. Stop pretending to be Michael Jordan. Keep your shots simple

Vonleh, happy with him -- perhaps because of lower expectations. Needs to avoid dumb fouls, and stay positive

Burke, he needs to score. He can only contribute to this team if he outscores his opponents, he's not going to be a contributor on defense, and for that matter not much of a passer. There is still a role for his skill set though if he embraces it

Hezonja a lost soul. Always looking for the home run. I don't see him in the NBA next year (maybe not even the remainder of this one, when they sign Trier).

Agree with you. Some will say they have nothing to lose. But they have everything thing to lose. The Knicks have always been a poor development organization. I can’t get over how the are screwing Frank over. I told you guys a stupid move like playing Mudiay who is atrocious over him will result in possibly losing Frank and it’s happening right before our eyes. For some reason they have taken his agreesivness away on offense by avoiding the pass to him. Frank knows this and he doesn’t even look at the basket anymore he just swings the ball to another player even when he should launch the shot. Man Fizz is dropping the ball here he is treating him as a Phil pick. How long before he does that to KP.

How the Knicks take away something he never had One of the biggest knocks on Frank was his passive play on offense. Frank got benched and now he is losing the confidence he barely had? He needs to put his big boy drawers on and man up! Burke got benched and now he is balling out! Everyone calls Mudiay garbage and yet he is outplaying Frank! If he wants it, he needs to take it!

Vmart wrote:

Chandler wrote:
I think this was a gross miscalculation by the FO concerning Mudiay, Vonleh, Burke and Hezonja. This is the epitome of heads they win; tails we lose.

Heads they win: If these players develop this year, what do we gain from that? It's not like we retain control on a team friendly contract. Instead, their improved plays just ups their contract expectations. DO not expect a home team discount (this caliber of player will rightfully want to make as much as they can on their next contract, because it might be their last; the best we can hope is that we have a matching offer and they choose us out of loyalty)

Tails we lose: Regardless of whether they develop, every minute they consume is at the expense of playing time for the youths we have on team friendly contracts and who we expect to remain with the team

I continue to think we would have been better served getting some cheaper vets (not as old as Jack) who can at least teach the youths how to get it done

I also think it's extreme hubris to profess that we'll succeed in development where Portland, Denver, Indiana, Utah failed -- those are quality programs

Having said all of that, because I am a fan I will continue to pull for them.

I want Mudiay to shoot with balance, attack the rim, and work on your FTs -- it's an embarrassment that you're at roughly 50%. For god's sake, Mitchell robinson is better at the stripe than you at the moment. Stop pretending to be Michael Jordan. Keep your shots simple

Vonleh, happy with him -- perhaps because of lower expectations. Needs to avoid dumb fouls, and stay positive

Burke, he needs to score. He can only contribute to this team if he outscores his opponents, he's not going to be a contributor on defense, and for that matter not much of a passer. There is still a role for his skill set though if he embraces it

Hezonja a lost soul. Always looking for the home run. I don't see him in the NBA next year (maybe not even the remainder of this one, when they sign Trier).

Agree with you. Some will say they have nothing to lose. But they have everything thing to lose. The Knicks have always been a poor development organization. I can’t get over how the are screwing Frank over. I told you guys a stupid move like playing Mudiay who is atrocious over him will result in possibly losing Frank and it’s happening right before our eyes. For some reason they have taken his agreesivness away on offense by avoiding the pass to him. Frank knows this and he doesn’t even look at the basket anymore he just swings the ball to another player even when he should launch the shot. Man Fizz is dropping the ball here he is treating him as a Phil pick. How long before he does that to KP.