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martin
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11/7/2018 2:16 PM
GustavBahler wrote:martin wrote:GustavBahler wrote:martin wrote:GustavBahler wrote:martin wrote:GustavBahler wrote:martin wrote:GustavBahler wrote:martin wrote:I like the NBA stats pages, lots of filters and such. So lets be clear on this. You've got nothing but your own eye test to come to the conclusion that Kanter is an above average rim protector. You should have said that up front instead of directly saying you put out the stats previously. Everyone has got different eye tests, that's why they got stats out there to try to quantify things. Defensive stats are hard. Your eye test is just an opinion. Poorly informed one IMHO. If Kanter is an elite offensive player and an above average rim protector as you think he is, he would have played a lot more minutes in his career instead of being glued to the bench for most games late in the 4 when it counts. Official sponsor of the PURE KNICKS LOVE Program
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GustavBahler
Posts: 41138 Alba Posts: 15 Joined: 7/12/2010 Member: #3186 |
11/7/2018 2:52 PM
martin wrote:GustavBahler wrote:martin wrote:GustavBahler wrote:martin wrote:GustavBahler wrote:martin wrote:GustavBahler wrote:martin wrote:GustavBahler wrote:martin wrote:I like the NBA stats pages, lots of filters and such. There you go again, relying strictly on numbers. Kanter didnt start really focusing on conditioning until the summer he was traded to NY. One of the reasons he stuck to the bench is the extra weight that was slowing him down on both ends of the court. You're not a fan of Kanter, I get it, but you go that extra mile, have since he was traded. Not the first to point this out. Not sure why. |
knicks1248
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11/7/2018 3:19 PM
arkrud wrote:knicks1248 wrote:arkrud wrote:knicks1248 wrote:Chandler wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:Uptown wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:Not to pick on Timmy. But we have seen Levert and Oladipo finish the Knicks off with last min/second scores. And we have just now witnessed Lavine make a last 2nd drive attempt on to steal and OT win. Frank our best perimeter player wasn't guarding any of these guys during these moments. Fizz stated that he wanted Timmy to be tested in these situations and not to call on Frank even though thisay be his best attribute. I don't know too many knick fans the are not loyal, they may criticize the team for their constant short comings, but at the end of the day they will remain loyal. Im not saying the knicks are not on the right path, but as I said before, Fiz mans up to his mistakes, unlike fisher, and JH, he just has to show he is a smart coach and his players are learning and not making the same mistakes over and over again...if the moves he's making back fire, your not going to look to smart, and development mode wont save you When the knicks grab their big FA this summer (if the manage to get one) the honeymoon is over, you will be in win now mode. ES
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martin
Posts: 68542 Alba Posts: 108 Joined: 7/24/2001 Member: #2 USA |
11/7/2018 3:28 PM
GustavBahler wrote:martin wrote:GustavBahler wrote:martin wrote:GustavBahler wrote:martin wrote:GustavBahler wrote:martin wrote:GustavBahler wrote:martin wrote:GustavBahler wrote:martin wrote:I like the NBA stats pages, lots of filters and such. You're not sure why? Cause he sucks defensively and only gets in shape during contract years? Run the same numbers again for this year and the same things pan out. How many more excuses you gonna have for Kanter before you realize he is not really that good at one end of the court? That's just reality, not my hope. I want the team and players to succeed. Official sponsor of the PURE KNICKS LOVE Program
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GustavBahler
Posts: 41138 Alba Posts: 15 Joined: 7/12/2010 Member: #3186 |
11/7/2018 3:44 PM
martin wrote:GustavBahler wrote:martin wrote:GustavBahler wrote:martin wrote:GustavBahler wrote:martin wrote:GustavBahler wrote:martin wrote:GustavBahler wrote:martin wrote:GustavBahler wrote:martin wrote:I like the NBA stats pages, lots of filters and such. Not sure why you are so fing hyped when it comes to Kanter. You harp on his defense to the exclusion of almost everything else. You cant carry on a conversation about him without getting seriously pissy, like right now. In spite of my repeated attempts in this thread to keep it friendly. As I said. Dont know why. Kanter always seems to be the trigger. |
StarksEwing1
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11/7/2018 3:57 PM
arkrud wrote:he doesnt believe in building through the draft. He doesnt understand that it takes some patience but we have built a solid foundation and free agents notice that more than winning a few extra gamesknicks1248 wrote:arkrud wrote:knicks1248 wrote:Chandler wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:Uptown wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:Not to pick on Timmy. But we have seen Levert and Oladipo finish the Knicks off with last min/second scores. And we have just now witnessed Lavine make a last 2nd drive attempt on to steal and OT win. Frank our best perimeter player wasn't guarding any of these guys during these moments. Fizz stated that he wanted Timmy to be tested in these situations and not to call on Frank even though thisay be his best attribute. |
knicks1248
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11/7/2018 4:56 PM LAST EDITED: 11/7/2018 4:57 PM
StarksEwing1 wrote:arkrud wrote:he doesnt believe in building through the draft. He doesnt understand that it takes some patience but we have built a solid foundation and free agents notice that more than winning a few extra gamesknicks1248 wrote:arkrud wrote:knicks1248 wrote:Chandler wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:Uptown wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:Not to pick on Timmy. But we have seen Levert and Oladipo finish the Knicks off with last min/second scores. And we have just now witnessed Lavine make a last 2nd drive attempt on to steal and OT win. Frank our best perimeter player wasn't guarding any of these guys during these moments. Fizz stated that he wanted Timmy to be tested in these situations and not to call on Frank even though thisay be his best attribute. we have 8 lottery picks( all of whom were picked within the last 4 to 5 drafts) on the roster, i guess we need 12 to make a complete rebuild..ohhh..kaayyy, now i get it..smh What other contender has that many 1st round picks on there roster..since you know so much ES
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arkrud
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11/7/2018 5:34 PM LAST EDITED: 11/7/2018 5:34 PM
knicks1248 wrote:StarksEwing1 wrote:arkrud wrote:he doesnt believe in building through the draft. He doesnt understand that it takes some patience but we have built a solid foundation and free agents notice that more than winning a few extra gamesknicks1248 wrote:arkrud wrote:knicks1248 wrote:Chandler wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:Uptown wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:Not to pick on Timmy. But we have seen Levert and Oladipo finish the Knicks off with last min/second scores. And we have just now witnessed Lavine make a last 2nd drive attempt on to steal and OT win. Frank our best perimeter player wasn't guarding any of these guys during these moments. Fizz stated that he wanted Timmy to be tested in these situations and not to call on Frank even though thisay be his best attribute. It's a good Russian idiom: "One should not show a half done job to a fool". "There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy." Hamlet
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newyorknewyork
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11/7/2018 7:34 PM
knicks1248 wrote:StarksEwing1 wrote:arkrud wrote:he doesnt believe in building through the draft. He doesnt understand that it takes some patience but we have built a solid foundation and free agents notice that more than winning a few extra gamesknicks1248 wrote:arkrud wrote:knicks1248 wrote:Chandler wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:Uptown wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:Not to pick on Timmy. But we have seen Levert and Oladipo finish the Knicks off with last min/second scores. And we have just now witnessed Lavine make a last 2nd drive attempt on to steal and OT win. Frank our best perimeter player wasn't guarding any of these guys during these moments. Fizz stated that he wanted Timmy to be tested in these situations and not to call on Frank even though thisay be his best attribute. None of that matters to be real. The potential to land a blue chip prospect to pair with KP and a FA this off season is greater than your perceived downside and is the best route to contend. The players that will be here next yr are getting burn win or lose and working on chemistry. Knicks have been without their franchise player and first round pick so far this season. Its one thing if the team just sucked even with KP because he was a stat producer who didn't contribute to winning. But KP has proven to be a real impact player. So being able to capitalize on missing KP to add an elite blue chip prospect is the smart play. Now if Knox comes in a takes the league by storm and everything then clicks with Frank-Knox-Mitch around Hardaway and the rest of the cast leading the team to 38 wins(random number) or so then so be it. As winning would be a result of the young talents maturation. But best case may be they are inconsistent during his rookie yr and then the group off next season after we secured the blue chip additions. https://vote.nba.com/en Vote for your Knicks.
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knicks1248
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11/8/2018 8:31 AM
newyorknewyork wrote:knicks1248 wrote:StarksEwing1 wrote:arkrud wrote:he doesnt believe in building through the draft. He doesnt understand that it takes some patience but we have built a solid foundation and free agents notice that more than winning a few extra gamesknicks1248 wrote:arkrud wrote:knicks1248 wrote:Chandler wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:Uptown wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:Not to pick on Timmy. But we have seen Levert and Oladipo finish the Knicks off with last min/second scores. And we have just now witnessed Lavine make a last 2nd drive attempt on to steal and OT win. Frank our best perimeter player wasn't guarding any of these guys during these moments. Fizz stated that he wanted Timmy to be tested in these situations and not to call on Frank even though thisay be his best attribute. Knicks GM Scott Perry is on the road with the team. An eye witness said Perry was visibly upset during portions of the first half in Atlanta. The Knicks gave up 57 points to the Hawks and trailed by three after two quarters. Doesn't seem like Perry has any interest in tanking. You really think the FO is more interested in Blue chip prospects, you really think the FO don't care about losses. Every coach/GM in every sport will be mostly judge by wins and losses at the end of the day, I don't care how you spin it. You want to know why, becaase WINNING cures everything, It's like a antibiotic. You know what comes out of winning, players getting better, chemistry improves, confidence increasing,team looks more attractive, your assets stock rises, Gm's look smarter. It's only easy to be patient when you see improvement. You cant lose 52 games 5 yrs in a row(all evaluating talent yrs) and think your improving just because you didn't trade your draft picks ES
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Uptown
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11/8/2018 9:38 AM
knicks1248 wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:knicks1248 wrote:StarksEwing1 wrote:arkrud wrote:he doesnt believe in building through the draft. He doesnt understand that it takes some patience but we have built a solid foundation and free agents notice that more than winning a few extra gamesknicks1248 wrote:arkrud wrote:knicks1248 wrote:Chandler wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:Uptown wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:Not to pick on Timmy. But we have seen Levert and Oladipo finish the Knicks off with last min/second scores. And we have just now witnessed Lavine make a last 2nd drive attempt on to steal and OT win. Frank our best perimeter player wasn't guarding any of these guys during these moments. Fizz stated that he wanted Timmy to be tested in these situations and not to call on Frank even though thisay be his best attribute. So Perry said nothing on record that would indicate that he's upset or what he may have been upset about, but we are going by a second hand source that was judging his body language and was able to assume (based on body language) that he's chasing wins as opposed to developing the youth? Good call Speaking losing for 5 years, the Lakers won 35, 26, 17, 21, and 27 games over the last 5 years, yet LeBron found them desirable enough. Not to mention Paul George and Kwahi are on record as wanting to play for that tanking franchise.... Go figure... |
StarksEwing1
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11/8/2018 9:50 AM
Uptown wrote:Exactly. Free agents arent gonna find us more attractive just because we won a few extra games. They are gonna see the young talents we have drafted including our best player in KP. They see Fizdale as a great players coach and respect him. Adding another good young talent at the draft is another plus. I understand rebuilding is tough to watch sometimes but its the smart thing to do. Hell remember the Warriors. They stunk for years and years. I remember when they booed the owner. Then they started making better decisions at the draft and became a contender long before Durant even showed upknicks1248 wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:knicks1248 wrote:StarksEwing1 wrote:arkrud wrote:he doesnt believe in building through the draft. He doesnt understand that it takes some patience but we have built a solid foundation and free agents notice that more than winning a few extra gamesknicks1248 wrote:arkrud wrote:knicks1248 wrote:Chandler wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:Uptown wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:Not to pick on Timmy. But we have seen Levert and Oladipo finish the Knicks off with last min/second scores. And we have just now witnessed Lavine make a last 2nd drive attempt on to steal and OT win. Frank our best perimeter player wasn't guarding any of these guys during these moments. Fizz stated that he wanted Timmy to be tested in these situations and not to call on Frank even though thisay be his best attribute. |
knicks1248
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11/8/2018 10:42 AM LAST EDITED: 11/8/2018 10:42 AM
Uptown wrote:knicks1248 wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:knicks1248 wrote:StarksEwing1 wrote:arkrud wrote:he doesnt believe in building through the draft. He doesnt understand that it takes some patience but we have built a solid foundation and free agents notice that more than winning a few extra gamesknicks1248 wrote:arkrud wrote:knicks1248 wrote:Chandler wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:Uptown wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:Not to pick on Timmy. But we have seen Levert and Oladipo finish the Knicks off with last min/second scores. And we have just now witnessed Lavine make a last 2nd drive attempt on to steal and OT win. Frank our best perimeter player wasn't guarding any of these guys during these moments. Fizz stated that he wanted Timmy to be tested in these situations and not to call on Frank even though thisay be his best attribute. LBJ went there because of his brand and the many off court business opportunities. He said it himself, the roster is as lopsided as they come. Dude has 3 rings and about a dozen trips to the finals, his goal is to be a billionaire going forward Kawhi and PG3 are from the LA area and are life long fans of the team. We all seen with our own 2 eyes that we haven't been in a winning situation in quite sometime and because of that we have had drastic changes from the roster to the FO to the coaching staff every yr. In order to change the culture in NY you have to start winning, what losing team has a great culture that everybody is running to sign up to be part of, unless it come with a BIG PAYDAY, see AMARE, MELO, Noah.. ES
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newyorknewyork
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11/8/2018 10:45 AM
knicks1248 wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:knicks1248 wrote:StarksEwing1 wrote:arkrud wrote:he doesnt believe in building through the draft. He doesnt understand that it takes some patience but we have built a solid foundation and free agents notice that more than winning a few extra gamesknicks1248 wrote:arkrud wrote:knicks1248 wrote:Chandler wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:Uptown wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:Not to pick on Timmy. But we have seen Levert and Oladipo finish the Knicks off with last min/second scores. And we have just now witnessed Lavine make a last 2nd drive attempt on to steal and OT win. Frank our best perimeter player wasn't guarding any of these guys during these moments. Fizz stated that he wanted Timmy to be tested in these situations and not to call on Frank even though thisay be his best attribute. Knicks have operated with the same mindset that you are preaching. What have been the results Knicks1248, and why? Will be a question that you avoid at all cost. And will have no credibility until you can honestly answer the question. I'm going to leave space in between until my next paragraph so that you can't just gloss it over.
These decisions are being made because they feel it will result in a higher level, more consistency and longevity in their ability to win in the long haul. You are also either purposely missing the point or just don't get it. The plan isn't to continue to tank season after season to load up on draft picks. Its to capitalize on this one season which KP is out with injury. Cavs have been in the finals the last what 4 seasons and won a championship. Lue has 3 finals appearances. Many of the players on the current Cavs team have been apart of winning at the highest level. They did go to the finals last season. They are the perfect example to what you claim. And yet without Lebron.... according to you all that winning should have created an environment that carried over so why hasn't it? Another question you will avoid at all cost. https://vote.nba.com/en Vote for your Knicks.
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fishmike
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11/8/2018 11:14 AM
Uptown wrote:WARNING! LOGIC BEING INTRODUCED TO THIS DISCUSSION MAY RESULT IN PROCESS knicks1248.EXE ENCOUNTERING A FATAL CRASHknicks1248 wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:knicks1248 wrote:StarksEwing1 wrote:arkrud wrote:he doesnt believe in building through the draft. He doesnt understand that it takes some patience but we have built a solid foundation and free agents notice that more than winning a few extra gamesknicks1248 wrote:arkrud wrote:knicks1248 wrote:Chandler wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:Uptown wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:Not to pick on Timmy. But we have seen Levert and Oladipo finish the Knicks off with last min/second scores. And we have just now witnessed Lavine make a last 2nd drive attempt on to steal and OT win. Frank our best perimeter player wasn't guarding any of these guys during these moments. Fizz stated that he wanted Timmy to be tested in these situations and not to call on Frank even though thisay be his best attribute. "winning is more fun... then fun is fun" -Thibs
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Nalod
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11/8/2018 12:28 PM
Somewhere there was a fan in boston who thought the future was Issiah Thomas and Jae Crowder. You can't see what has not happened.
Rainman1248 does not understand that talent must be acquired/developed before real change can happen. Boston put in place a not ready for prime time coach and employed a process of trading good players, getting picks and signing free agents. Nobody saw Kyrie coming. or Horford. Perhaps Gorden Haywood was telegraphed because of the connection with stevens but who would think a team balanced with young prospects and in prime veterans could be so accomplished? Tatum proved to be a stroke of genius!! Weird thing is Philly departs form its process post Hinkie and actually trades UP to nab fultz!! Lesson? Don't deviate from the process!!!!LOL!!! Rainman1248 has all the abstract of what to do but no vision because it can't be seen. Most fans have the abstract "Process" and manage the anxiety of knowing fundamentally if you have picks, you draft quality players. Not all pan out. Takes time. Just because it has not does not mean it can't. There is no genetic propensity to failure in a city. its not in the air or in the water. My opinion is Enes does what he does but we don't win or lose just because of him. He is part of the process and his ceiling is not high enough. He has been beaten out by Gortat who did not post better numbers but eventually became a very good player. He was a back up to Adams who might not post up better numbers than Enes, but is better for his team. Mitch is not nearly as good as Kanter at the moment but his ceiling is much higher because the teams ceiling is high with Mitch. This is Kanters problem. Eventually it becomes about the money and the ceiling. |
Nalod
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11/8/2018 1:03 PM
knicks1248 wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:knicks1248 wrote:StarksEwing1 wrote:arkrud wrote:he doesnt believe in building through the draft. He doesnt understand that it takes some patience but we have built a solid foundation and free agents notice that more than winning a few extra gamesknicks1248 wrote:arkrud wrote:knicks1248 wrote:Chandler wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:Uptown wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:Not to pick on Timmy. But we have seen Levert and Oladipo finish the Knicks off with last min/second scores. And we have just now witnessed Lavine make a last 2nd drive attempt on to steal and OT win. Frank our best perimeter player wasn't guarding any of these guys during these moments. Fizz stated that he wanted Timmy to be tested in these situations and not to call on Frank even though thisay be his best attribute. Can't win without Talent. |
knicks1248
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11/8/2018 4:38 PM
fishmike wrote:Uptown wrote:WARNING! LOGIC BEING INTRODUCED TO THIS DISCUSSION MAY RESULT IN PROCESS knicks1248.EXE ENCOUNTERING A FATAL CRASHknicks1248 wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:knicks1248 wrote:StarksEwing1 wrote:arkrud wrote:he doesnt believe in building through the draft. He doesnt understand that it takes some patience but we have built a solid foundation and free agents notice that more than winning a few extra gamesknicks1248 wrote:arkrud wrote:knicks1248 wrote:Chandler wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:Uptown wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:Not to pick on Timmy. But we have seen Levert and Oladipo finish the Knicks off with last min/second scores. And we have just now witnessed Lavine make a last 2nd drive attempt on to steal and OT win. Frank our best perimeter player wasn't guarding any of these guys during these moments. Fizz stated that he wanted Timmy to be tested in these situations and not to call on Frank even though thisay be his best attribute. Ok derek fisher ES
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CrushAlot
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11/8/2018 4:53 PM
knicks1248 wrote:Where is the quote from? I thought I had read all of the articles about last nights game but I didn't see or missed this. I do think it is a reach for a reporter to post about body language and not an actual source.newyorknewyork wrote:knicks1248 wrote:StarksEwing1 wrote:arkrud wrote:he doesnt believe in building through the draft. He doesnt understand that it takes some patience but we have built a solid foundation and free agents notice that more than winning a few extra gamesknicks1248 wrote:arkrud wrote:knicks1248 wrote:Chandler wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:Uptown wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:Not to pick on Timmy. But we have seen Levert and Oladipo finish the Knicks off with last min/second scores. And we have just now witnessed Lavine make a last 2nd drive attempt on to steal and OT win. Frank our best perimeter player wasn't guarding any of these guys during these moments. Fizz stated that he wanted Timmy to be tested in these situations and not to call on Frank even though thisay be his best attribute. I'm tired,I'm tired, I'm so tired right now......Kristaps Porzingis 1/3/18
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