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Knixkik
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Obviously it's still so early, but i want to see where everyone stands on this topic currently. I think it's more than not a given that Hardaway, Knox, Porzingis, and Robinson will start at the 2 thru 5 next year. Ntilikina has been solid and improved, but still lacks the playmaking to this point that will maximize guys like KP and Robinson. Knox and Hardaway have playmaking skills, but should not be relied on for that role. Let's assume Kyrie resigns in Boston. Subject to change, your PG preference in the future is:
Kemba at or near the max
Rozier at 15-20 mil to per year
Bledsoe at 15-20 mil per year
Rubio at 15-20 mil per year
Frank will develop into the playmaker we need
Draft a PG next summer
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TripleThreat
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11/5/2018  12:34 PM
Why do the Knicks need to spend 15-20 million AAV on a point guard?

Point guard has the LOWEST POSITIONAL VALUE IN THE ENTIRE LEAGUE

NBA draft, FA and trade history shows you can find a functional point guard all over. In the draft, late in the draft, in the 2nd round, as an UDFA, even in random trades. You can even find a really good one late in a draft.

Good resource management means you should spend most of your money on versatile wings. You need a rim protector who can space the floor. This is where the bulk of your money should go. Plenty of wings can also run the offense.

Part of the reason the Knicks PG situation is so horrible is they spent their cap poorly elsewhere. This is what happens when you spend poorly and use poor resource management.

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11/5/2018  1:03 PM
KD is my pg of choice, at whatever dollar figure it takes!
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11/5/2018  1:14 PM
franco12 wrote:KD is my pg of choice, at whatever dollar figure it takes!

Exactly. All but the last 2 options are INSANE

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knicks1248
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11/5/2018  1:28 PM
TripleThreat wrote:Why do the Knicks need to spend 15-20 million AAV on a point guard?

Point guard has the LOWEST POSITIONAL VALUE IN THE ENTIRE LEAGUE

NBA draft, FA and trade history shows you can find a functional point guard all over. In the draft, late in the draft, in the 2nd round, as an UDFA, even in random trades. You can even find a really good one late in a draft.

Good resource management means you should spend most of your money on versatile wings. You need a rim protector who can space the floor. This is where the bulk of your money should go. Plenty of wings can also run the offense.

Part of the reason the Knicks PG situation is so horrible is they spent their cap poorly elsewhere. This is what happens when you spend poorly and use poor resource management.

then where the hell is ours, and BTW, functional PG's are not going to cut it in this era of Basketball,You need a borderline all star.

We have had the worst luck in the NBA when it comes to POINT GUARDS

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11/5/2018  2:08 PM
Last years developmental failure is hurt Frank. He needed to start and play heavy minutes last year from the very beginning. What I see is Frank doesn’t have the stamina necessary to play fast. He has no legs left that is why his shooting is getting worse and worse. He is aiming his shots. The shots are not instinctively shot.

Frank needs to trust his shot and let it fly.

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11/5/2018  2:38 PM    LAST EDITED: 11/5/2018  2:39 PM
Vmart wrote:Last years developmental failure is hurt Frank. He needed to start and play heavy minutes last year from the very beginning. What I see is Frank doesn’t have the stamina necessary to play fast. He has no legs left that is why his shooting is getting worse and worse. He is aiming his shots. The shots are not instinctively shot.

Frank needs to trust his shot and let it fly.

he had an entire summer to work on his ball handling and shooting (which by all accounts he was)and I don't see much improvement, just like mudiay's shot is still ugly going into his 4th NBA season.

A couple of us stated over the summer he needed to be more involved in these pick up games in the streets with other NBA players (like Burke).

His shot selection is horrible, long 20 foot 2 pointers, he shoots with zero confidence which is why he's so reluctant to shoot. His handle needs major work and his passing is only good in a PnR set.

I'm starting to think frank will me more like a Tim Thomas, so much potential but don't have the mentality to putt it all together.

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11/5/2018  2:42 PM
knicks1248 wrote:
TripleThreat wrote:Why do the Knicks need to spend 15-20 million AAV on a point guard?

Point guard has the LOWEST POSITIONAL VALUE IN THE ENTIRE LEAGUE

NBA draft, FA and trade history shows you can find a functional point guard all over. In the draft, late in the draft, in the 2nd round, as an UDFA, even in random trades. You can even find a really good one late in a draft.

Good resource management means you should spend most of your money on versatile wings. You need a rim protector who can space the floor. This is where the bulk of your money should go. Plenty of wings can also run the offense.

Part of the reason the Knicks PG situation is so horrible is they spent their cap poorly elsewhere. This is what happens when you spend poorly and use poor resource management.

then where the hell is ours, and BTW, functional PG's are not going to cut it in this era of Basketball,You need a borderline all star.

We have had the worst luck in the NBA when it comes to POINT GUARDS

ROFL - Borderline All Star

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Knixkik
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11/5/2018  3:10 PM
TripleThreat wrote:Why do the Knicks need to spend 15-20 million AAV on a point guard?

Point guard has the LOWEST POSITIONAL VALUE IN THE ENTIRE LEAGUE

NBA draft, FA and trade history shows you can find a functional point guard all over. In the draft, late in the draft, in the 2nd round, as an UDFA, even in random trades. You can even find a really good one late in a draft.

Good resource management means you should spend most of your money on versatile wings. You need a rim protector who can space the floor. This is where the bulk of your money should go. Plenty of wings can also run the offense.

Part of the reason the Knicks PG situation is so horrible is they spent their cap poorly elsewhere. This is what happens when you spend poorly and use poor resource management.

You can find a decent stopgap like Burke anywhere, but you need to find a legit starting PG to be a good team. The only time you don't need to is when you have Lebron, Harden, etc. We need to maximize the talent of guys like KP, Robinson, and Knox, so we need a good PG. It's essential.

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11/5/2018  3:32 PM
Vmart wrote:Last years developmental failure is hurt Frank. He needed to start and play heavy minutes last year from the very beginning. What I see is Frank doesn’t have the stamina necessary to play fast. He has no legs left that is why his shooting is getting worse and worse. He is aiming his shots. The shots are not instinctively shot.

Frank needs to trust his shot and let it fly.

It was reported that by February Frank was worn down from the minutes he had been given and the nba grind. He also was supposed to be working out all summer to build up his stamina(stayed in US, worked out w/ the Iz kids etc.). I am not sure if his troubles are stamina based but he is playing more minutes. I haven't watched much film on Frank before he was a Knick. Was his shooting a lot better before he came to the nba? Would you decrease his minutes and try to build his stamina?
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11/5/2018  3:33 PM    LAST EDITED: 11/5/2018  3:35 PM
No dilemma. Robinson is not nearly developed. Our guards got destroyed last night by perhaps one of the better tandems in the league. Wall and Beal are monsters. A bad game is to be expected. Frank's shot looked like crap. Trier showed fire but also some of that immaturity. Mitchell lost his mind too.
No dilemma, just a bad road loss. Wiz are better then their record so what is the expectation? Mitch vs. Dwight? Last of the dinocenters? Frank got schooled. RainMan1248 over reacting again. Tim Thomas? Really, You can see that at age 20?

Guess what, Knicks slated to be a lottery team for a reason. I thought they crawled back was a good thing but as we know they lack talent to close out games. Timmy was hurt. He should not have been playing.
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So many games to go, Im not deciding on who to draft or who to sign in free agency. We don't know our position nor who the better players ranking at this time.
Not signing Kemba or any max deal for a PG unless they are 26.

Knicks1248: 1. Dolan should be more involved! 2. Why would any knick fan want pick 8, when that spot has a history of producing marginal NBA taken. (He prefers pick 9th instead)
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11/5/2018  4:11 PM    LAST EDITED: 11/5/2018  4:12 PM
With the direction of position-less athletic bbal we need passing and defending PG with decent 3-ball.
We have one in Frank but it is not clear if he will be starter or backup/situational player.
So we need to get at least one more of this kind over draft/trade/FA.
There is no rush at all so we should have a lot of opportunities to solve this problem.
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Knixkik
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11/5/2018  4:16 PM
arkrud wrote:With the direction of position-less athletic bbal we need passing and defending PG with decent 3-ball.
We have one in Frank but it is not clear if he will be starter or backup/situational player.
So we need to get at least one more of this kind over draft/trade/FA.
There is no rush at all so we should have a lot of opportunities to solve this problem.

I agree.

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11/5/2018  6:28 PM
CrushAlot wrote:
Vmart wrote:Last years developmental failure is hurt Frank. He needed to start and play heavy minutes last year from the very beginning. What I see is Frank doesn’t have the stamina necessary to play fast. He has no legs left that is why his shooting is getting worse and worse. He is aiming his shots. The shots are not instinctively shot.

Frank needs to trust his shot and let it fly.

It was reported that by February Frank was worn down from the minutes he had been given and the nba grind. He also was supposed to be working out all summer to build up his stamina(stayed in US, worked out w/ the Iz kids etc.). I am not sure if his troubles are stamina based but he is playing more minutes. I haven't watched much film on Frank before he was a Knick. Was his shooting a lot better before he came to the nba? Would you decrease his minutes and try to build his stamina?

This might sound crazy but I would increase his minutes.

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11/5/2018  6:43 PM
So do I have this straight, after every good game during his second season we're going to post feel good threads about his future and after every bad game we're going to question his future?
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11/5/2018  7:08 PM
Knickoftime wrote:So do I have this straight, after every good game during his second season we're going to post feel good threads about his future and after every bad game we're going to question his future?

Don't matter as long as that tank keep rolling.

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11/5/2018  7:18 PM
Knickoftime wrote:So do I have this straight, after every good game during his second season we're going to post feel good threads about his future and after every bad game we're going to question his future?

First time posting on a message board?

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11/5/2018  7:24 PM
newyorknewyork wrote:
Knickoftime wrote:So do I have this straight, after every good game during his second season we're going to post feel good threads about his future and after every bad game we're going to question his future?

First time posting on a message board?

I'm a half-full type.

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11/5/2018  10:28 PM
Knickoftime wrote:So do I have this straight, after every good game during his second season we're going to post feel good threads about his future and after every bad game we're going to question his future?

That’s accurate!

Knicks1248: 1. Dolan should be more involved! 2. Why would any knick fan want pick 8, when that spot has a history of producing marginal NBA taken. (He prefers pick 9th instead)
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11/5/2018  10:45 PM
Knickoftime wrote:So do I have this straight, after every good game during his second season we're going to post feel good threads about his future and after every bad game we're going to question his future?
Coach seems to have noticed his struggles. He went from 32 mins a night to 22 to 16. He isn't losing minutes because of his d.
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11/5/2018  10:56 PM
Vmart wrote:Last years developmental failure is hurt Frank. He needed to start and play heavy minutes last year from the very beginning. What I see is Frank doesn’t have the stamina necessary to play fast. He has no legs left that is why his shooting is getting worse and worse. He is aiming his shots. The shots are not instinctively shot.

Frank needs to trust his shot and let it fly.

If Frank has no stamina it's not because he got 25 instead of 35 minutes/game. I personally don't see the lack of stamina, but conditioning is the responsibility of each individual player even those that hardly play.

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