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Knixkik
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Obviously it's still so early, but i want to see where everyone stands on this topic currently. I think it's more than not a given that Hardaway, Knox, Porzingis, and Robinson will start at the 2 thru 5 next year. Ntilikina has been solid and improved, but still lacks the playmaking to this point that will maximize guys like KP and Robinson. Knox and Hardaway have playmaking skills, but should not be relied on for that role. Let's assume Kyrie resigns in Boston. Subject to change, your PG preference in the future is:
Kemba at or near the max
Rozier at 15-20 mil to per year
Bledsoe at 15-20 mil per year
Rubio at 15-20 mil per year
Frank will develop into the playmaker we need
Draft a PG next summer
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knicks1248
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11/12/2018  2:15 PM
In the last few seasons we have had a chance to trade for Lowry, Bledsoe, rubio, and Kyrie, 4 pg's that have their teams in the top part of the standings. But because it involved a first round pick(because we had zero assets) we chose not to, and we are left with bull sht flops.

So now with the PG situation so bad they will be force to max out any pg they could get their hands on (maybe kemba/kyrie/rozier)

It's no different then Phil chasing melo around the globe to offer him a stupid contract that backed fired.

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11/12/2018  5:20 PM    LAST EDITED: 11/12/2018  5:21 PM
knicks1248 wrote:In the last few seasons we have had a chance to trade for Lowry, Bledsoe, rubio, and Kyrie, 4 pg's that have their teams in the top part of the standings. But because it involved a first round pick(because we had zero assets) we chose not to, and we are left with bull sht flops.

So now with the PG situation so bad they will be force to max out any pg they could get their hands on (maybe kemba/kyrie/rozier)

It's no different then Phil chasing melo around the globe to offer him a stupid contract that backed fired.


Do you think we are a playoff team with any of those guys on this current roster? I'd say no, with the exception of Kyrie. How would you propose we make the roster better with one of those four eating up cap space? We are taking a L this season. No quick fixes. Just sit back and enjoy the youth movement. If you want your team to win this season, you could always become a Raptors fan and try to hijack various Knicks forums.
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11/12/2018  5:45 PM
BigDaddyG wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:In the last few seasons we have had a chance to trade for Lowry, Bledsoe, rubio, and Kyrie, 4 pg's that have their teams in the top part of the standings. But because it involved a first round pick(because we had zero assets) we chose not to, and we are left with bull sht flops.

So now with the PG situation so bad they will be force to max out any pg they could get their hands on (maybe kemba/kyrie/rozier)

It's no different then Phil chasing melo around the globe to offer him a stupid contract that backed fired.


Do you think we are a playoff team with any of those guys on this current roster? I'd say no, with the exception of Kyrie. How would you propose we make the roster better with one of those four eating up cap space? We are taking a L this season. No quick fixes. Just sit back and enjoy the youth movement. If you want your team to win this season, you could always become a Raptors fan and try to hijack various Knicks forums.
He doesnt believe in building a team from within. Feels drafting is a waste of time and only free agency/trades makes you a winner.
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11/12/2018  5:51 PM
BigDaddyG wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:In the last few seasons we have had a chance to trade for Lowry, Bledsoe, rubio, and Kyrie, 4 pg's that have their teams in the top part of the standings. But because it involved a first round pick(because we had zero assets) we chose not to, and we are left with bull sht flops.

So now with the PG situation so bad they will be force to max out any pg they could get their hands on (maybe kemba/kyrie/rozier)

It's no different then Phil chasing melo around the globe to offer him a stupid contract that backed fired.


Do you think we are a playoff team with any of those guys on this current roster? I'd say no, with the exception of Kyrie. How would you propose we make the roster better with one of those four eating up cap space? We are taking a L this season. No quick fixes. Just sit back and enjoy the youth movement. If you want your team to win this season, you could always become a Raptors fan and try to hijack various Knicks forums.

Nope, he doesn't think. At all

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knicks1248
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11/12/2018  6:38 PM
BigDaddyG wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:In the last few seasons we have had a chance to trade for Lowry, Bledsoe, rubio, and Kyrie, 4 pg's that have their teams in the top part of the standings. But because it involved a first round pick(because we had zero assets) we chose not to, and we are left with bull sht flops.

So now with the PG situation so bad they will be force to max out any pg they could get their hands on (maybe kemba/kyrie/rozier)

It's no different then Phil chasing melo around the globe to offer him a stupid contract that backed fired.


Do you think we are a playoff team with any of those guys on this current roster? I'd say no, with the exception of Kyrie. How would you propose we make the roster better with one of those four eating up cap space? We are taking a L this season. No quick fixes. Just sit back and enjoy the youth movement. If you want your team to win this season, you could always become a Raptors fan and try to hijack various Knicks forums.

Dude, every player and coach will suffer from poor PG play.

If you take your cap Money and grab any A/B+ FA without addressing that PG position, your problems are still there. Positionless or not, you will always need a guy who can pass/break down the D/shoot 3's/have above average handle/and can take over a game at any point.

When we win 7 out of 10 times if we get above average PG play(go look at the stats) so FCK yeah, we would be a P/O team if we had better, consistent point guard play.

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11/12/2018  8:00 PM
knicks1248 wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:In the last few seasons we have had a chance to trade for Lowry, Bledsoe, rubio, and Kyrie, 4 pg's that have their teams in the top part of the standings. But because it involved a first round pick(because we had zero assets) we chose not to, and we are left with bull sht flops.

So now with the PG situation so bad they will be force to max out any pg they could get their hands on (maybe kemba/kyrie/rozier)

It's no different then Phil chasing melo around the globe to offer him a stupid contract that backed fired.


Do you think we are a playoff team with any of those guys on this current roster? I'd say no, with the exception of Kyrie. How would you propose we make the roster better with one of those four eating up cap space? We are taking a L this season. No quick fixes. Just sit back and enjoy the youth movement. If you want your team to win this season, you could always become a Raptors fan and try to hijack various Knicks forums.

Dude, every player and coach will suffer from poor PG play.

If you take your cap Money and grab any A/B+ FA without addressing that PG position, your problems are still there. Positionless or not, you will always need a guy who can pass/break down the D/shoot 3's/have above average handle/and can take over a game at any point.

When we win 7 out of 10 times if we get above average PG play(go look at the stats) so FCK yeah, we would be a P/O team if we had better, consistent point guard play.


Frank gets this year to prove himself. If there isn't an upswing in his play by the end of the year the Knicks will have no choice but to get aggresive to fix the problem
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11/12/2018  9:07 PM    LAST EDITED: 11/12/2018  9:08 PM
#Bringmeloback

His wife is still in NYC from what I'm hearing.

Bring the Melos back together again. He can mentor Knox.

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11/12/2018  9:40 PM
blkexec wrote:#Bringmeloback

His wife is still in NYC from what I'm hearing.

Bring the Melos back together again. He can mentor Knox.


Sure. No reason he can't come back for a jersey retirement ceremony.
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11/12/2018  10:00 PM
Jmpasq wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:In the last few seasons we have had a chance to trade for Lowry, Bledsoe, rubio, and Kyrie, 4 pg's that have their teams in the top part of the standings. But because it involved a first round pick(because we had zero assets) we chose not to, and we are left with bull sht flops.

So now with the PG situation so bad they will be force to max out any pg they could get their hands on (maybe kemba/kyrie/rozier)

It's no different then Phil chasing melo around the globe to offer him a stupid contract that backed fired.


Do you think we are a playoff team with any of those guys on this current roster? I'd say no, with the exception of Kyrie. How would you propose we make the roster better with one of those four eating up cap space? We are taking a L this season. No quick fixes. Just sit back and enjoy the youth movement. If you want your team to win this season, you could always become a Raptors fan and try to hijack various Knicks forums.

Dude, every player and coach will suffer from poor PG play.

If you take your cap Money and grab any A/B+ FA without addressing that PG position, your problems are still there. Positionless or not, you will always need a guy who can pass/break down the D/shoot 3's/have above average handle/and can take over a game at any point.

When we win 7 out of 10 times if we get above average PG play(go look at the stats) so FCK yeah, we would be a P/O team if we had better, consistent point guard play.


Frank gets this year to prove himself. If there isn't an upswing in his play by the end of the year the Knicks will have no choice but to get aggresive to fix the problem

Frank hasn't been holding the Knicks back from pursing upgrades. They don't want to spend cap to hurt this coming FA. And they aren't going to give up multiple assets to get a veteran player that will cost assets and cap space.

They will get way more aggressive when they find themselves in position to do so without sabotaging the future.

They could have drafts SGA this draft but fell In love with Knox.

If they land a Barrett or Zion or Reddish etc. They will net a player that would act as the primary playmaker on the wing with a high usage rate. Just like DeRozan does for the Spurs. And many other wings have done for their teams. But if Frank continues to struggle to knock down shots especially open ones. then he will find himself on the outside looking in.

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11/12/2018  10:33 PM
newyorknewyork wrote:
Jmpasq wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:In the last few seasons we have had a chance to trade for Lowry, Bledsoe, rubio, and Kyrie, 4 pg's that have their teams in the top part of the standings. But because it involved a first round pick(because we had zero assets) we chose not to, and we are left with bull sht flops.

So now with the PG situation so bad they will be force to max out any pg they could get their hands on (maybe kemba/kyrie/rozier)

It's no different then Phil chasing melo around the globe to offer him a stupid contract that backed fired.


Do you think we are a playoff team with any of those guys on this current roster? I'd say no, with the exception of Kyrie. How would you propose we make the roster better with one of those four eating up cap space? We are taking a L this season. No quick fixes. Just sit back and enjoy the youth movement. If you want your team to win this season, you could always become a Raptors fan and try to hijack various Knicks forums.

Dude, every player and coach will suffer from poor PG play.

If you take your cap Money and grab any A/B+ FA without addressing that PG position, your problems are still there. Positionless or not, you will always need a guy who can pass/break down the D/shoot 3's/have above average handle/and can take over a game at any point.

When we win 7 out of 10 times if we get above average PG play(go look at the stats) so FCK yeah, we would be a P/O team if we had better, consistent point guard play.


Frank gets this year to prove himself. If there isn't an upswing in his play by the end of the year the Knicks will have no choice but to get aggresive to fix the problem

Frank hasn't been holding the Knicks back from pursing upgrades. They don't want to spend cap to hurt this coming FA. And they aren't going to give up multiple assets to get a veteran player that will cost assets and cap space.

They will get way more aggressive when they find themselves in position to do so without sabotaging the future.

They could have drafts SGA this draft but fell In love with Knox.

If they land a Barrett or Zion or Reddish etc. They will net a player that would act as the primary playmaker on the wing with a high usage rate. Just like DeRozan does for the Spurs. And many other wings have done for their teams. But if Frank continues to struggle to knock down shots especially open ones. then he will find himself on the outside looking in.

Cap space to sign who? After you win 25 games, you're going to back the brinks truck up for Kyrie or kemba or whoever. How much cap space are you going to have after maxing whoever FA and then KP.

Have we lucked up in the draft or FA in getting that PG position stable,or should I go down the list of rentals that we have had since charlie ward 18 yrs ago. The assets you have are there to capitalize in different ways, you don't just put you money in a savings account and hope you get rich of the interest..

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11/13/2018  2:06 AM
knicks1248 wrote:
newyorknewyork wrote:
Jmpasq wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:In the last few seasons we have had a chance to trade for Lowry, Bledsoe, rubio, and Kyrie, 4 pg's that have their teams in the top part of the standings. But because it involved a first round pick(because we had zero assets) we chose not to, and we are left with bull sht flops.

So now with the PG situation so bad they will be force to max out any pg they could get their hands on (maybe kemba/kyrie/rozier)

It's no different then Phil chasing melo around the globe to offer him a stupid contract that backed fired.


Do you think we are a playoff team with any of those guys on this current roster? I'd say no, with the exception of Kyrie. How would you propose we make the roster better with one of those four eating up cap space? We are taking a L this season. No quick fixes. Just sit back and enjoy the youth movement. If you want your team to win this season, you could always become a Raptors fan and try to hijack various Knicks forums.

Dude, every player and coach will suffer from poor PG play.

If you take your cap Money and grab any A/B+ FA without addressing that PG position, your problems are still there. Positionless or not, you will always need a guy who can pass/break down the D/shoot 3's/have above average handle/and can take over a game at any point.

When we win 7 out of 10 times if we get above average PG play(go look at the stats) so FCK yeah, we would be a P/O team if we had better, consistent point guard play.


Frank gets this year to prove himself. If there isn't an upswing in his play by the end of the year the Knicks will have no choice but to get aggresive to fix the problem

Frank hasn't been holding the Knicks back from pursing upgrades. They don't want to spend cap to hurt this coming FA. And they aren't going to give up multiple assets to get a veteran player that will cost assets and cap space.

They will get way more aggressive when they find themselves in position to do so without sabotaging the future.

They could have drafts SGA this draft but fell In love with Knox.

If they land a Barrett or Zion or Reddish etc. They will net a player that would act as the primary playmaker on the wing with a high usage rate. Just like DeRozan does for the Spurs. And many other wings have done for their teams. But if Frank continues to struggle to knock down shots especially open ones. then he will find himself on the outside looking in.

Cap space to sign who? After you win 25 games, you're going to back the brinks truck up for Kyrie or kemba or whoever. How much cap space are you going to have after maxing whoever FA and then KP.

Have we lucked up in the draft or FA in getting that PG position stable,or should I go down the list of rentals that we have had since charlie ward 18 yrs ago. The assets you have are there to capitalize in different ways, you don't just put you money in a savings account and hope you get rich of the interest..

However you feel about it, that's the route the Knicks have taken dating back to last season.

Cap space also gives you flexibility. Where Knicks have failed has been giving up multiple assets and cap space for a player limiting their ability to improve afterward other than sacrificing more future assets to make up for it. Knicks need to create enough assets so that when they move some for a stud piece they still have a strong foundation left over to actually build upon. This past draft was a big won with the additions of Knox, Mitch and Trier. Hopefully next draft we can pull of a Zion or Barrett.

Mitch and KP can grown into something special in the front court. Adding a Zion for example would either make the front court ridiculously deep or it would make Knox expendable for other needs while dealing from a position of strength instead of desperation. He would be on a cost controlled contract and his value would be pretty high given his potential and contract.

What do you thing a proven productive player in Tim Hardaway and a big potential blue chip prospect in Knox would net the team within this scenario? With Dotson and Trier getting all these reps and producing its very possible they could fill that void to utilize Hardaway to fill other needs.

Knicks need to keep building up their foundation and that type of overlapping talent by utilizing a healthy cap making sound decisions and utilizing their draft picks. Make moves from positions of strength.

These type of options would start to present itself.

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