LivingLegend wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:We have no offense, Frank should not be taking this many threes

Love how folks go from Frank isn't aggressive enough to Frank shouldn't be shooting - up to 2 games ago he was shooting 40% from 3.

Frank is going to be a work in progress and IMO needs to shoot every open 3 he has.

IMO - we need to get guys like Burke/Lance off the floor and give more minutes to Mario who at least has great skill and solid size.

Also - refs really putting guys like Vonleh, Frank and Mitch very quick whistles. NO RESPECT

This. Did Frank brick his shots in the 4th...Yes. Should he have taken those? Absolutely.
Thing that hurt us the most was Vonleh in foul trouble. Then when Timmy went out, everyone realized how much his offense has kept I=us in games. However, its not exactly a deep riddle. Our record shows we are not very good, yet. Nor do we have enough talent on the floor to win, yet.

Avg 2 assists and 2 TO's.

Just saying Frank is fine --- IMO if guys like Knox/KP/Timmy/Trier/FA can put the ball in the bucket/handle the rock than guys like Frank/Mitch who are defensive 1st players will be better fits anyway.

You bring in a guy like Kemba and our other scorers will lose touches/buckets -- it's just what happens.

HofstraBBall wrote:

Kemet wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

Sangfroid wrote:If Frank refuses or can't make the shot, bring in Mario to run point forward.

We have 4 point guards

we have guards, they are not pg's

Didn't you anoint Mudiay as a PG earlier today?

I said he is our best passer in transition

Take franks defense, burkes scoring ability and Mudiay's passing, put those skill into one player and get rid of all of them

they arent getting rid of frank. His defense alone is important no matter what his ceiling ends up being

Frank is the one that started the come back charge in the 2nd half of the game

Wrong. He went out down 6. Team got down 11 and came back to tie. Without Frank. Frank came back in the 4th and the Wiz went on to blow us out.

Frank bucket cut it to 4 with 7:30 left in 3rd (closest we were since 1st quarter). Next possession Frank's 4th foul (extremely weak call) leaves game --- at 3:30 mark of third we are down 13.

Knicks fight all the way back to tie and Frank returns down 4 in mid 4th -- leaves game down 10 with 4 mins left.

Biggest take away for me were the quick whistles early that put Vonleh, Frank and Mitch in early foul trouble.

LivingLegend wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

Kemet wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

Sangfroid wrote:If Frank refuses or can't make the shot, bring in Mario to run point forward.

We have 4 point guards

we have guards, they are not pg's

Didn't you anoint Mudiay as a PG earlier today?

I said he is our best passer in transition

Take franks defense, burkes scoring ability and Mudiay's passing, put those skill into one player and get rid of all of them

they arent getting rid of frank. His defense alone is important no matter what his ceiling ends up being

Frank is the one that started the come back charge in the 2nd half of the game

Wrong. He went out down 6. Team got down 11 and came back to tie. Without Frank. Frank came back in the 4th and the Wiz went on to blow us out.

Frank bucket cut it to 4 with 7:30 left in 3rd (closest we were since 1st quarter). Next possession Frank's 4th foul (extremely weak call) leaves game --- at 3:30 mark of third we are down 13.

Knicks fight all the way back to tie and Frank returns down 4 in mid 4th -- leaves game down 10 with 4 mins left.

Biggest take away for me were the quick whistles early that put Vonleh, Frank and Mitch in early foul trouble.

I agree re quick whistles. Shows up in box score re FT disparity. Guys will need to buckle down on that and still play hard D even if refs are effectively forcing you to play with one hand tied behind your back

I also thought there were a lot of turnovers on very feeble, sloppy passes. My own sense is that the team still doesn't have an offensive identity or now what they want to do past their first option, and thus the non-purposeful passing.

Frank had a down game. He's overthinking on whether to shoot. He just needs to know to let it rip. ANd he needs to use his size more. He has a nice touch. Needs to develop his version of a push shot when he gets into the paint.

Is Trier the steal of the draft? Very tough
And Dot had another good game (at least first half)

LivingLegend wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

Kemet wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

Sangfroid wrote:If Frank refuses or can't make the shot, bring in Mario to run point forward.

We have 4 point guards

we have guards, they are not pg's

Didn't you anoint Mudiay as a PG earlier today?

I said he is our best passer in transition

Take franks defense, burkes scoring ability and Mudiay's passing, put those skill into one player and get rid of all of them

they arent getting rid of frank. His defense alone is important no matter what his ceiling ends up being

Frank is the one that started the come back charge in the 2nd half of the game

Wrong. He went out down 6. Team got down 11 and came back to tie. Without Frank. Frank came back in the 4th and the Wiz went on to blow us out.

Frank bucket cut it to 4 with 7:30 left in 3rd (closest we were since 1st quarter). Next possession Frank's 4th foul (extremely weak call) leaves game --- at 3:30 mark of third we are down 13.

Knicks fight all the way back to tie and Frank returns down 4 in mid 4th -- leaves game down 10 with 4 mins left.

Biggest take away for me were the quick whistles early that put Vonleh, Frank and Mitch in early foul trouble.

If you want to get technical it was 5 when Mudiay came in. Frank fouled Wall. who made 2 foul shots but Frank went our after his first shot. Point was more to show that suggestion Frank started a charge may be a bit overshadowing the fact he came in down 4 and did not make much of a difference. He was also a minus 13 for the game. Did not think Mudiay played well but he was on the floor when the Knicks cut a 12 point lead to tie. Either way, semantics. We just did not have a very good game all around.