Dude is averaging 26 pts on 41% from 3....He's probably in the lead for most improved player this year....He is making an Oladipo like jumpt this year. Hopefully it continues and he continues to improve....You can tell when a player has arrived when people on this board dont even mention when he puts up big time numbers. Its expected now!

StarksEwing1 wrote:I always loved hardaway coming back. I just felt we could of shaved some money off without the hawks matching. But so far this year he has earned it so I dont have any issues with it anymore. Honestly we are in a good position at SG. If Timmy has taken the step thats tremendous.

The money. We really only have opinion as to what he could have been gotten for. Also have to look at the very moment we signed him because Knicks were in Turmoil. We drafted Frank who we knew to be not but a 2. In hindsight Mitchell would have been the proper choice but that's not what happened. Melo was out the door and we did not know what he'd bring via trade. Phil was just fired.
And free agency starts.
and Knicks are not exactly a place free agents would be looking for stability. Phil out, coach on one year left on contract are not components of stability.
Timing is everything. ATL also neutered Bud and bought in new leadership with new owner. I know we paid more. Not sure if it was also years as well. 4 vs. three. It was thought ATL would offer 45mm but not sure if that was for 3 or 4 years. No doubt knicks had to go in fast and high. If conviction was high on him then "price is only an issue in the absence of value".
Growth. He went from a late season starter in ATL during his resurrection and became what knicks thought he could be. He was then to become the no. 2 option a new role for him. Then the no. 1 option when KP went down. Should an 18mm guy be able to handle all of that at once? If money is the measure, I would agree with that. If we take the money out and look at his career and the potential based on his actual performance in ATL? Looks a bit different. But "Money Matters" for sure!
I was an offseason supporter of this guy and liked that he was being quiet about the current season. Do the work and let the game speak for himself. I think the surge in responsibility last year made him press too much. He got hurt and he did not let the game come to him. Things in that role he had to digest. I think tried to do too much last year. This year he seems to be picking his spots better. he was "efficient" last nite according to his stats and JVG mentioned.
If he stays or is trade fodder its a good thing! he is playing up to his contract this young season. Mills looks good, Fiz looks good, he looks good and none of that is bad!! Lots of games to go!

Nalod wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:I always loved hardaway coming back. I just felt we could of shaved some money off without the hawks matching. But so far this year he has earned it so I dont have any issues with it anymore. Honestly we are in a good position at SG. If Timmy has taken the step thats tremendous.

The money. We really only have opinion as to what he could have been gotten for. Also have to look at the very moment we signed him because Knicks were in Turmoil. We drafted Frank who we knew to be not but a 2. In hindsight Mitchell would have been the proper choice but that's not what happened. Melo was out the door and we did not know what he'd bring via trade. Phil was just fired.
And free agency starts.
and Knicks are not exactly a place free agents would be looking for stability. Phil out, coach on one year left on contract are not components of stability.
Timing is everything. ATL also neutered Bud and bought in new leadership with new owner. I know we paid more. Not sure if it was also years as well. 4 vs. three. It was thought ATL would offer 45mm but not sure if that was for 3 or 4 years. No doubt knicks had to go in fast and high. If conviction was high on him then "price is only an issue in the absence of value".
Growth. He went from a late season starter in ATL during his resurrection and became what knicks thought he could be. He was then to become the no. 2 option a new role for him. Then the no. 1 option when KP went down. Should an 18mm guy be able to handle all of that at once? If money is the measure, I would agree with that. If we take the money out and look at his career and the potential based on his actual performance in ATL? Looks a bit different. But "Money Matters" for sure!
I was an offseason supporter of this guy and liked that he was being quiet about the current season. Do the work and let the game speak for himself. I think the surge in responsibility last year made him press too much. He got hurt and he did not let the game come to him. Things in that role he had to digest. I think tried to do too much last year. This year he seems to be picking his spots better. he was "efficient" last nite according to his stats and JVG mentioned.
If he stays or is trade fodder its a good thing! he is playing up to his contract this young season. Mills looks good, Fiz looks good, he looks good and none of that is bad!! Lots of games to go!

GustavBahler wrote:Was against the move, started a thread about it. Went in that thread soon after the season started, THJ started playing, and said that he deserved some patience from fans. Because Timmy was doing the right things, albeit unsuccessfully to that point.

Was against the signing, but it didnt take long for me to see that Timmy was a different player than he was in NY the last time, different attitude.

Im hesitant to heap praise on Mills because he did what this franchise has done too much of, going for the familiar. Would Mills have signed Hardaway if he hadnt been a Knick? Doubt it.

Be it a system, execs, coaches who arent worth a head coaching gig, players, the Knicks have up until this point gone too often with the familiar.

Thats why I liked Mills signing of Perry. He thought outside the box, didnt look to hire Allan Houston, or someone else in the org. Thats what Mills really should be praised for IMO.

GustavBahler wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:Was against the move, started a thread about it. Went in that thread soon after the season started, THJ started playing, and said that he deserved some patience from fans. Because Timmy was doing the right things, albeit unsuccessfully to that point.

Was against the signing, but it didnt take long for me to see that Timmy was a different player than he was in NY the last time, different attitude.

Im hesitant to heap praise on Mills because he did what this franchise has done too much of, going for the familiar. Would Mills have signed Hardaway if he hadnt been a Knick? Doubt it.

Be it a system, execs, coaches who arent worth a head coaching gig, players, the Knicks have up until this point gone too often with the familiar.

Thats why I liked Mills signing of Perry. He thought outside the box, didnt look to hire Allan Houston, or someone else in the org. Thats what Mills really should be praised for IMO.

im pretty sure there are no complaints about perry. His drafting and trades have been great so far as well as bringing in reclamation projects like Vonleh

Wasnt even close to suggesting what you just wrote.

fishmike wrote:I mean just curios. This signing was generally blasted here. Hardaway continues to improve and is a pretty good ball player. Of Bazemore, Evan Turner, Allan Crabbe... those guys who were getting those deal THj is probably the only one worth it.

What are people's thoughts on having him here and his contract moving forward?

if he becomes an all star this year, i'll come around :)

Cartman718 wrote:

fishmike wrote:I mean just curios. This signing was generally blasted here. Hardaway continues to improve and is a pretty good ball player. Of Bazemore, Evan Turner, Allan Crabbe... those guys who were getting those deal THj is probably the only one worth it.

What are people's thoughts on having him here and his contract moving forward?

if he becomes an all star this year, i'll come around :)

Believe Timmy is earning his contract, All-Star nod would be gravy.
If Frank can keep his progress at PG going, KP/Knox/Timmy/Frank/
(not sure who the last starter would be) that lineup should get us contending for the ECF, in a season or two.

fishmike wrote:I mean just curios. This signing was generally blasted here. Hardaway continues to improve and is a pretty good ball player. Of Bazemore, Evan Turner, Allan Crabbe... those guys who were getting those deal THj is probably the only one worth it.

What are people's thoughts on having him here and his contract moving forward?

He can fill it up on the offensive side. But last night's stat line is all too familiar. 37 points and the worst plus/minus on the team at -14, in a 6 point loss.