SupremeCommander wrote:I can't believe how many people don't want to see what Mudiay can or cannot do with an opportunity. Unlike some of our other projects, we invested something into Mudiay. I wan to know 100% for sure if this guy is the scrub that he appears to be. If you let him start once he's healthy and he scrubs it out, I don't think Mudiay sticks around that much longer. So its a win-win. Maybe by some act of God Mudiay turns into the player Larry Brown told everyone he'd become. Or maybe he looks like the out-of-shape trrbl basketball player I know. Either way, I see figuring this out definitively - sooner than later - as a good thing

Most people think it was already figured out before he became a Knick.

Right now, our starting lineup is made 100% of guys that earned their way there with their defense and their effort both on practice and in games. Fiz has let them all know that if you earn it, you keep it. So Frank has nothing to worry about as long as he keeps working hard and improving.

Mudiay will have his chance to contribute to the team. Not giving him one is illogical no matter what. Will that be with the starting lineup? Only if he takes it away from Frank, which would mean that Frank has regressed and the way he is working, I don’t see that happening even if he hits a rough stretch shooting.

So in the end, if this starting lineup keeps working hard, the only changes that will come is when our two big guns (Knox and KP) come back. And even then, Dotson and Vonleh will keep getting minutes. Mudiay can earn them if he proves his worth. If he is as bad as some of you make him to be, he will not play. But not giving him a chance and calling him a lost cause given his age and NBA experience would not make sense.

jrodmc wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:Can someone explain what Mudiay is supposed to be good at?
He can't Shoot
He can't defend
He can't finish at the rim
He isn't athletic
and he has a low Basketball IQ
I'm not sure what else we need to see.
Dude just sucks

This.
If the guy wasn't a first round pick, he'd be Chris Smith.
Did we ever start Chris Smith?

Big differences between Mudiay and Smith.....Mudiay can dunk with two hands. Is not the brother of JR Smith

Agree that he is getting more of a look becuase he is a former lotto pick. But he should. He is also under contract through 2020. The team has shown they are focused on giving some young athletes, that have failed to shine, a chance. Why not him? Shit, Vonleh has been the biggest surprise this year. He should be in India right now. Burke last year. Why not give Mudiay a chance? Its not like we are benching anyone substantial for him.

Agree he has not lived up to potential or is anyone that has shown to be an important asset to a playoff team. But we can say that about most of our current roster. And they are showing it was worth the shot.

jrodmc wrote:Where the hell is Tony Wroten, anyway...?

I thought I saw him out trying to recruit Mudiay to his bandwagon

Welpee wrote:

Marv wrote:^ the power of youtube to cherrypick a guy's highlights.

So in other words, disregard anything promising the guy does just focus on everything negative?

I think YouTube videos with cool music and a guy not missing a shot can infuence objectivity. Briggs was big on posting videos claiming to have “discovered a player” then post the video as if he had produced it. This happens to all of us too.

Nalod wrote:

Welpee wrote:

Marv wrote:^ the power of youtube to cherrypick a guy's highlights.

So in other words, disregard anything promising the guy does just focus on everything negative?

I think YouTube videos with cool music and a guy not missing a shot can infuence objectivity. Briggs was big on posting videos claiming to have “discovered a player” then post the video as if he had produced it. This happens to all of us too.

Marv wrote:

Welpee wrote:

Nalod wrote:

Welpee wrote:

Marv wrote:^ the power of youtube to cherrypick a guy's highlights.

So in other words, disregard anything promising the guy does just focus on everything negative?

I think YouTube videos with cool music and a guy not missing a shot can infuence objectivity. Briggs was big on posting videos claiming to have “discovered a player” then post the video as if he had produced it. This happens to all of us too.

I don't think anybody said take a nine minute youtube video and evaluate a player based solely on highlights. However, it indicates the guy has some ability, unless you just want to pretend what he displayed never happened.

I think this is all about context. Yeah he can make these plays. And also yeah, teams have been giving him fewer and fewer minutes in his career, he's never displayed growth or even consistency and he was given away in his 3rd year - a 6'5" lottery pick point guard. So the key question to me isn't what CAN he do - it's WHY can't he do it consistently and build on it and why did he convince a team to cut their losses already with him? If we can't figure that out and decide if it's something we can address then he's gonna continue on a downward trend, wouldn't you say, regardless of what he does occasionally enough to merit his 9 minutes of youtube glory?

Isn't this what we are all advocating and what the Knicks are now doing? Don't think anyone is saying sign him to a max extension. Most are just saying he is worth taking a LOOK at. And that we have nothing to lose. Cant say that the process has already played itself out in just 22 games, with a completely new cast of players. How bout we wait and see how he looks, after having some familiarity with his new team, before we claim he should be sent back to China, at 22 years old.

jrodmc wrote:Where the hell is Tony Wroten, anyway...?

On October 21, 2017, Wroten was selected by the Rio Grande Valley Vipers in Round 2 with the 23rd pick in the 2017 NBA Development League Draft.[26] On March 21, 2018, he was waived by the Vipers.[27]