I want Frank playing 30 minutes a night, Dotson 20, Trier 20. Right now what we are showing is that we have put together a very good young bench with high energy. It's to bad Voleah is only signed for a year. Perfect guy to come off the bench with a little muscle.

Future looks bright if we can develop these guys, loose a bunch of games and compete, while adding a top flight talent in the draft.

MS wrote:It's to bad Voleah is only signed for a year. Perfect guy to come off the bench with a little muscle.

SOMEBODY is going to get any extra cap space or the room exception.

SupremeCommander wrote:I can't believe how many people don't want to see what Mudiay can or cannot do with an opportunity. Unlike some of our other projects, we invested something into Mudiay. I wan to know 100% for sure if this guy is the scrub that he appears to be. If you let him start once he's healthy and he scrubs it out, I don't think Mudiay sticks around that much longer. So its a win-win. Maybe by some act of God Mudiay turns into the player Larry Brown told everyone he'd become. Or maybe he looks like the out-of-shape trrbl basketball player I know. Either way, I see figuring this out definitively - sooner than later - as a good thing

I'm not very bullish on him learning how to absorb contact. I don't think that's a teachable skill.

First time I remember a player just being different in that skillset was Rod Strickland. He just had an innate ability day 1 in the NBA how to adjust his body and finish. I wanted Anthony and Ward to have those skills, they just didn't.

And Mudiay not only doesn't have that ability, he actually has the rare opposite of it. Forget putting the ball in the basket, he can't stay upright.

Whatever he does or doesn't become, that's always going to be a huge wart.

Vmart wrote:The Knicks can’t continually have a losers mentality. Time is valuable giving Mudiay opportunities holds development back. You have your starter in Frank just what is it you want to see? Do you want to see if Mudiay is starting material? He isn’t role player I see it. Don’t waste time of player development.

My theory has always been don’t jerk players around and mess with their groove. Frank is getting into a comfortable groove last thing that is needed is tinkering with something that doesn’t needed to be tinkered with. This will create resentment and it will lead to a path that possibly could devastate Frank’s path. That is what happened to Mudiay and that is why he is in the state he is in today same with Burke.

Fiz was brought here to develop players, and this is a sport where anyone can go down in a split second, if that player happens to be frank, and he has to be put on the shelf for a few wks, and mudiay comes in a shine, should that be the end of frank..I don't think so

Everybody gets the same opportunity, all your doing is being bias like all frank lovers.

Clearly they're e no favorites in FIZ book, everybody gets a fair shot, and that should always be the case

Vmart wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Vmart wrote:The Knicks can’t continually have a losers mentality. Time is valuable giving Mudiay opportunities holds development back. You have your starter in Frank just what is it you want to see? Do you want to see if Mudiay is starting material? He isn’t role player I see it. Don’t waste time of player development.

My theory has always been don’t jerk players around and mess with their groove. Frank is getting into a comfortable groove last thing that is needed is tinkering with something that doesn’t needed to be tinkered with. This will create resentment and it will lead to a path that possibly could devastate Frank’s path. That is what happened to Mudiay and that is why he is in the state he is in today same with Burke.

Fiz was brought here to develop players, and this is a sport where anyone can go down in a split second, if that player happens to be frank, and he has to be put on the shelf for a few wks, and mudiay comes in a shine, should that be the end of frank..I don't think so

Everybody gets the same opportunity, all your doing is being bias like all frank lovers.

Clearly they're e no favorites in FIZ book, everybody gets a fair shot, and that should always be the case

Like your not biased against Frank. I’m not biased against Mudiay I’m the guy who wanted to draft him. It’s just that my eyes have no longer deceive me. I already know what Mudiay is.

My preference to have frank play off the ball, should never be considered bias, he's just not the type of PG i like (others are ok with him at pg, so be it), but you never heard me say I didn't want him on the team or I'm done with him.

You only saw a hand full of preseason games that mudiay played in( too small of a window), and trust me. i wasn't thrilled at all with his play, and i to thought he looked like trash. The one thing I did like about him was the pace he plays at and is penetration, he's also unselfish.

Nalod wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Vmart wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Vmart wrote:The Knicks can’t continually have a losers mentality. Time is valuable giving Mudiay opportunities holds development back. You have your starter in Frank just what is it you want to see? Do you want to see if Mudiay is starting material? He isn’t role player I see it. Don’t waste time of player development.

My theory has always been don’t jerk players around and mess with their groove. Frank is getting into a comfortable groove last thing that is needed is tinkering with something that doesn’t needed to be tinkered with. This will create resentment and it will lead to a path that possibly could devastate Frank’s path. That is what happened to Mudiay and that is why he is in the state he is in today same with Burke.

Fiz was brought here to develop players, and this is a sport where anyone can go down in a split second, if that player happens to be frank, and he has to be put on the shelf for a few wks, and mudiay comes in a shine, should that be the end of frank..I don't think so

Everybody gets the same opportunity, all your doing is being bias like all frank lovers.

Clearly they're e no favorites in FIZ book, everybody gets a fair shot, and that should always be the case

Like your not biased against Frank. I’m not biased against Mudiay I’m the guy who wanted to draft him. It’s just that my eyes have no longer deceive me. I already know what Mudiay is.

My preference to have frank play off the ball, should never be considered bias, he's just not the type of PG i like (others are ok with him at pg, so be it), but you never heard me say I didn't want him on the team or I'm done with him.

You only saw a hand full of preseason games that mudiay played in( too small of a window), and trust me. i wasn't thrilled at all with his play, and i to thought he looked like trash. The one thing I did like about him was the pace he plays at and is penetration, he's also unselfish.

RainMan1248 has bias against your bias.
Penetration is important!

knicks1248 wrote:

Vmart wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Vmart wrote:The Knicks can’t continually have a losers mentality. Time is valuable giving Mudiay opportunities holds development back. You have your starter in Frank just what is it you want to see? Do you want to see if Mudiay is starting material? He isn’t role player I see it. Don’t waste time of player development.

My theory has always been don’t jerk players around and mess with their groove. Frank is getting into a comfortable groove last thing that is needed is tinkering with something that doesn’t needed to be tinkered with. This will create resentment and it will lead to a path that possibly could devastate Frank’s path. That is what happened to Mudiay and that is why he is in the state he is in today same with Burke.

Fiz was brought here to develop players, and this is a sport where anyone can go down in a split second, if that player happens to be frank, and he has to be put on the shelf for a few wks, and mudiay comes in a shine, should that be the end of frank..I don't think so

Everybody gets the same opportunity, all your doing is being bias like all frank lovers.

Clearly they're e no favorites in FIZ book, everybody gets a fair shot, and that should always be the case

Like your not biased against Frank. I’m not biased against Mudiay I’m the guy who wanted to draft him. It’s just that my eyes have no longer deceive me. I already know what Mudiay is.

My preference to have frank play off the ball, should never be considered bias, he's just not the type of PG i like (others are ok with him at pg, so be it), but you never heard me say I didn't want him on the team or I'm done with him.

You only saw a hand full of preseason games that mudiay played in( too small of a window), and trust me. i wasn't thrilled at all with his play, and i to thought he looked like trash. The one thing I did like about him was the pace he plays at and is penetration, he's also unselfish.

We get it you don’t like the Billups type of PG or the Derek Harper type. Mudiay doesn’t play defense he is atrocious at it. Frank at least give you effort in both ends gets player involved and they seem to respond to Frank looking for them it keeps the entire team involved which is what PG is suppose to do. I don’t expect you to agree with me as it is your preference.

SupremeCommander wrote:I can't believe how many people don't want to see what Mudiay can or cannot do with an opportunity. Unlike some of our other projects, we invested something into Mudiay. I wan to know 100% for sure if this guy is the scrub that he appears to be. If you let him start once he's healthy and he scrubs it out, I don't think Mudiay sticks around that much longer. So its a win-win. Maybe by some act of God Mudiay turns into the player Larry Brown told everyone he'd become. Or maybe he looks like the out-of-shape trrbl basketball player I know. Either way, I see figuring this out definitively - sooner than later - as a good thing

The Knicks starting PG job was for the taking all late last year, this preseason and even now.

If Mudiay wanted it, he could have taken it with his play.

You don't back into a job and win it, you just go out and ****ing take it and make it yours with your play.

What is this Mudiay is waiting for an opportunity stuff? Every time he walks on the court in a Knicks uniform is an opportunity.

He is not on this roster because of some "investment" into him. The Knicks spent their cap poorly, have problems on the roster they can't dump and have/had no money to get any PG help, thus Mudiay is here. That's it.

I'd like to see Frank and Mudiay as the backcourt, and rotate Dotson and Burke in, depending on matchups, needs.

If Mudiay doesn't show he belongs, fine, move on.

Beggers can't be chosers, and we have to find some diamonds on the trash heap of the NBA.

Vmart wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

Vmart wrote:Not a fan of anyone getting a shot at pg. It’s Franks and no one should interfere with his development.

Based on what I have seen from Mudiay, I have to agree. The more we experiment the less these guys develop into their roles. But I also think everyone deserves a shot. So not really sure how I feel about this overall.

This how you also destroy careers that are promising all in the name of chance. Mudiay got his shot when he was in Denver. It didn’t happen for him then and it 99% won’t happen for him here. Now is Fizz willing to lose Frank for this so called chance for Mudiay. Absolutely would be a dumb move by Fizz.

You got your best player on the floor playing his position already why f around for shyts and giggles.

This is why I am not sure what the right decision is