NBK wrote:Yup Frank took the keys tonight! He played well vs TOP competition. Let's see if he can keep em! Cant wait to see if he can continue this kinda play vs Brooklyn.

Granted Fish and Horny had Porzingis, but even so the way we are trying to play I don’t really like it on offense. We don’t play team basketball. We need an offense that requires more ball movement and better cutting/motion.

I guess if you had a great passer and superstars like Lebron and Wade in Miami, what Fiz is trying to do works. We don’t have those exceptional guard talent.

nyknickzingis wrote:What disappoints me is that I preferred the ball movement and offense under Fish and Hornachek vs so far with Fiz.

Granted Fish and Horny had Porzingis, but even so the way we are trying to play I don’t really like it on offense. We don’t play team basketball. We need an offense that requires more ball movement and better cutting/motion.

I guess if you had a great passer and superstars like Lebron and Wade in Miami, what Fiz is trying to do works. We don’t have those exceptional guard talent.

Your right

Sounds like your saying "the talent we have is not suited for the system the coach runs"

Hmmm, sounds like the knicks typical scenario, Like trying to turn chris dunn in to steve nash, or AA into Kobe/MJ

knicks1248 wrote:

nyknickzingis wrote:What disappoints me is that I preferred the ball movement and offense under Fish and Hornachek vs so far with Fiz.

Granted Fish and Horny had Porzingis, but even so the way we are trying to play I don’t really like it on offense. We don’t play team basketball. We need an offense that requires more ball movement and better cutting/motion.

I guess if you had a great passer and superstars like Lebron and Wade in Miami, what Fiz is trying to do works. We don’t have those exceptional guard talent.

Your right

Sounds like your saying "the talent we have is not suited for the system the coach runs"

Hmmm, sounds like the knicks typical scenario, Like trying to turn chris dunn in to steve nash, or AA into Kobe/MJ

Agree the ball movement could be better, wouldnt mind more P&Rs as well.

My concern with these shifting lineups, is running into some of the same problems we witnessed with Derek Fisher's team. He was moving guys in and out of the starting lineup all season. Players were reported to have been unreceptive to the constant roster shuffling. Made it hard for players to understand their role, get into a rhythm.

At first I was on board with Fisher tinkering with the lineup, but after a while it just looked directionless.

Im on board as a fan, with Fizdale trying out different lineups, early in the season. Especially with KP out, and rooks, 2nd year players to evaluate.

At some point however, Id like to see Fizdale settle on a lineup, and run with it for a while. Otherwise I could see it alienating vets, like it did with Fisher.

Jmpasq wrote:I've been rough on Frank but I'm really encouraged by what I saw last night. I've been so caught up on what he can't do kind of minimize what he does well. The team is more cohesive when he is on the floor. He gets everyone more involved. I think this team needs Lee back. I like Dotson and Frank on the floor together but leaving our 2 best reserve guards as Trier and Burke just doesn't work. There is some nice 2 way players on this team. It hasn't translated to wins yet but I think we are close. I can't believe a 30 point blowout has made me optimistic

Good for you

knicks1248 wrote:

nyknickzingis wrote:What disappoints me is that I preferred the ball movement and offense under Fish and Hornachek vs so far with Fiz.

Granted Fish and Horny had Porzingis, but even so the way we are trying to play I don’t really like it on offense. We don’t play team basketball. We need an offense that requires more ball movement and better cutting/motion.

I guess if you had a great passer and superstars like Lebron and Wade in Miami, what Fiz is trying to do works. We don’t have those exceptional guard talent.

Your right

Sounds like your saying "the talent we have is not suited for the system the coach runs"

Hmmm, sounds like the knicks typical scenario, Like trying to turn chris dunn in to steve nash, or AA into Kobe/MJ

Or thinking your thought process will offer clarity.

StarksEwing1 wrote:

TheGame wrote:I am just glad the Knicks have finally understood what needed to happen. You drafted this kid to be your pg. You need to just start him at the point and see what he can do. Frank is never going to become a starting caliber point guard unless he is given a full opportunity to develop at the position. Hopefully, Coach Fiz will keep Frank as the starting PG for the next 20-30 games, so we can really get a sense of what the kid can do at the position.

Yup I give credit to fiz for that. Im pretty sure we will see this starting lineup for the forseeable future. I do think Kanter and eventually knox will get plugged in at times

I expect a little more chaos when Mudiay enters the picture. I just want the young guys to have consistent, meaningful minutes.

StarksEwing1 wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

TheGame wrote:I am just glad the Knicks have finally understood what needed to happen. You drafted this kid to be your pg. You need to just start him at the point and see what he can do. Frank is never going to become a starting caliber point guard unless he is given a full opportunity to develop at the position. Hopefully, Coach Fiz will keep Frank as the starting PG for the next 20-30 games, so we can really get a sense of what the kid can do at the position.

Yup I give credit to fiz for that. Im pretty sure we will see this starting lineup for the forseeable future. I do think Kanter and eventually knox will get plugged in at times

I expect a little more chaos when Mudiay enters the picture. I just want the young guys to have consistent, meaningful minutes.

I dont see mudiay getting a lot of minutes. He looked bad in preseason and last year. I guess him and burke will compete for bench minutes but burke obviously has the advantage there

BigDaddyG wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

TheGame wrote:I am just glad the Knicks have finally understood what needed to happen. You drafted this kid to be your pg. You need to just start him at the point and see what he can do. Frank is never going to become a starting caliber point guard unless he is given a full opportunity to develop at the position. Hopefully, Coach Fiz will keep Frank as the starting PG for the next 20-30 games, so we can really get a sense of what the kid can do at the position.

Yup I give credit to fiz for that. Im pretty sure we will see this starting lineup for the forseeable future. I do think Kanter and eventually knox will get plugged in at times

I expect a little more chaos when Mudiay enters the picture. I just want the young guys to have consistent, meaningful minutes.

I dont see mudiay getting a lot of minutes. He looked bad in preseason and last year. I guess him and burke will compete for bench minutes but burke obviously has the advantage there

Coach seems to like Mudiay and his size does give the team more options defensively. I'm just speculating.