Marv wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Marv wrote:

Gudris wrote:We are 8th seed 100% this year, east are super weak

be interested to hear your breakdown on how this team looks on the court that leads to 41 wins this year.

You can be a little over avg simply by playing hard, focus and being well prepared, then become elite when you add a couple of top tier players.

with this current squad at this stage of its development? seriously i'd love for someone to forecast how this happens this year. with some specifics given our personnel.

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knicks1248 wrote:Him not signing a max deal is a clear sign that him and his camp are motivated by wins not money.

More Rainman thinking he is in KP's head.
Its likely Knicks gave KP and his team the choice. Sign now and get the money, or it will be there anyway and maybe have more money to sign players.
If your gullible to Media intrigue and then thinking your do as KP, then your making shyt up.
Logic.
KP can flat out not look at any restricted deals from anyone and be totally free in two years. If he really wants that he can have it. Knicks still can offer him most money by far. He can sign with a winning team. Which "winning teams" will have super max money in two years? Quantify that and you have something to talk about.
Reality is two years is a long time. KP gives up multi generational wealth if his breaks again.
Personally I don't get rainman type redundant KP anxiety. I like Knicks are waiting for all the reasons that are logical.

Marv wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:
29 wins will be a disaster for everybody, and no matter how good I feel about fiz, we have seen reputations get shattered within months. From larry, to Lenny, to phil, to walsh, the list is crazy, it was all a great big fuzzy feeling when they all hopped on board.

If Fiz have these players looking like crap and losing 7 tp 10 in a row, watch how fast the kum-ba-ya crowd disperse

But if he starts beating the odds, he'll be the king of NY.

This is a really important season

i really can't believe that:

a. you would expect this team wouild possibly win more than 29 games

b. you would believe that the success of this season is predicated on wins

imo this is a developmental season. period. develop the rookies and frank to be our upcoming core. see who can play out of the other young players and who's moving forward with us. prepare the young team that's going to add kp, a high #1 and a FA or 2 next year. it's a rebuild.

That hit me just right. The Knicks will be adding a high #1, KP and a possible FA (this coming year or next) to the roster. That's nice.

Marv wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:Him not signing a max deal is a clear sign that him and his camp are motivated by wins not money.

and arranging this so the knicks get an extra $10M for FA's in 2019 isn't a mutual investment in winning???

fishmike wrote:

Marv wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:Him not signing a max deal is a clear sign that him and his camp are motivated by wins not money.

and arranging this so the knicks get an extra $10M for FA's in 2019 isn't a mutual investment in winning???

There goes Marv... confusing folks with logic again. Dick move

StarksEwing1 wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:Look we all want the knicks to win. But lets be realistic we are a young team who will be without our best player for most if not all the year. KP isnt going anywhere no matter how many games we win. Free agents understand the situation but they also understand the knicks are compiling a lot of good young talent that makes us more attractive than previous year. Also getting another top pick is another great thing.

I agree that KP will stay with us. And that we will surprise some this year. However, you cant rule out the possibility that his team may want him to be in a winning situation over signing the max with the Knicks. As other top tier players (LBJ, KD) have shown, it is not that important, to them, to sign max extensions anymore. They would rather keep flexibility and be on a winning team. It is more about building their brands then getting an extra year on one contract. I think that if the Knicks don't show signs of winning or get a key free agent in the summer, there is a good chance he does not sign a long term deal which starts his way out.

But KP is coming off his rookie deal and is a RFA so it doesnt matter. All bigtime players coming off their rookie deals have no leverage to sign with another team, it rarely happens. Lebron and KD were coming off their second deals

Didnt say he can leave in 2019. Said he doeant have to sign with anyone on long term deal and can wait to be an unrestricted FA in 2020. Specially if his team sees the same ole losing story here.

I think we will sign a solid FA and he will want to stay. We also have a nice young core. But cant deny anything is possible. Including him leaving. Dont think money will factor in as much as some think.

knicks1248 wrote:It's hilarious around here and so damn bias..

Some of you refuse to entertain signing kyrie and others because of an injured history, but feel obligated to sign KP just because we drafted him although he's been injured every single yr he's been in the league.

yeah lets max him out.

If im mills i'm offering him a (just coming off major injury) contract, about 18 mill per for 2 yrs

I agree with you in part- we should not be maxing him out.

Unfortunately in the NBA, there is no middle ground.

Three years, $45m would be uber fair - I'd give him a 4th year team option at $15m.

But that world doesn't exist in the NBA - its all or nothing, pretty much.

Look at the money that has been thrown around to players like THjr?

I've been worried about him turning into Ralph Sampson 2.0, but I don't want to lose him for nothing.

Maybe if he is hesitant to stay, we ship his rear out for some picks?

But, my hope is he will become the player we saw the first 10-15 games last year, or close to it. And that is the kind of player you win with.

We probably have to accept that he will miss games.

Nalod wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:Look we all want the knicks to win. But lets be realistic we are a young team who will be without our best player for most if not all the year. KP isnt going anywhere no matter how many games we win. Free agents understand the situation but they also understand the knicks are compiling a lot of good young talent that makes us more attractive than previous year. Also getting another top pick is another great thing.

I agree that KP will stay with us. And that we will surprise some this year. However, you cant rule out the possibility that his team may want him to be in a winning situation over signing the max with the Knicks. As other top tier players (LBJ, KD) have shown, it is not that important, to them, to sign max extensions anymore. They would rather keep flexibility and be on a winning team. It is more about building their brands then getting an extra year on one contract. I think that if the Knicks don't show signs of winning or get a key free agent in the summer, there is a good chance he does not sign a long term deal which starts his way out.

But KP is coming off his rookie deal and is a RFA so it doesnt matter. All bigtime players coming off their rookie deals have no leverage to sign with another team, it rarely happens. Lebron and KD were coming off their second deals

Didnt say he can leave in 2019. Said he doeant have to sign with anyone on long term deal and can wait to be an unrestricted FA in 2020. Specially if his team sees the same ole losing story here.

I think we will sign a solid FA and he will want to stay. We also have a nice young core. But cant deny anything is possible. Including him leaving. Dont think money will factor in as much as some think.

You know kp financial priorities? I don't doubt winning is good but isn't a culture of progress and being at the epicenter of it also important? Him breaking did pull the franchise back. In reverence to him we booted Phil, and then Hornacek to move forward. Everything has been done with him in mind. Money, winning and a culture of progress all adds up.

Don't know anyone's financial priorities. Do know he is not staying just because Phil and JH were pushed out or because he will get an extra year on his next deal. Just mentioned that the trend among high tier players is not just on one max contract anymore. Its all based on building a brand. Which definitely includes winning. That's proving to all ads up to a lot more money for these guys than any contract can offer.