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martin
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11/4/2018  12:35 PM
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11/4/2018  12:51 PM
martin wrote:Ugh

yuck

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11/4/2018  1:30 PM
smackeddog wrote:
Welpee wrote:
Uptown wrote:Smart pick up by the Lakers! They desperately need another big....Could use a shooter as well...

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/tyson-chandler-plans-to-sign-with-lakers-after-finalizing-buyout-with-suns-per-reports/44

Also shows how useless Noah is to the rest of the league.

His only hope is if thibs manages to include deing in the butler trade.

I do wonder if there was something else going on with noah as we were adamant at not bringing him back and no team even wanted to give him a try out in preseason.

I think it was a consideration until Fiz met with Noah in the off-season. I think Noah said something during their conversation that made Fiz think Noah is a no-go.

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11/4/2018  1:53 PM
Uptown wrote:Smart pick up by the Lakers! They desperately need another big....Could use a shooter as well...

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/tyson-chandler-plans-to-sign-with-lakers-after-finalizing-buyout-with-suns-per-reports/44


Chandler is better than what they had, but it's not much more.

Lakers have no rim protection aside from McGee. Beasley interesting enough has done pretty well considering the situation.

LBJ gets teams to sign who he wants, but he never seems to want rim protection. Odd.

Lakers should offer Ingram and Ball for Zinger. They need rim protecion and shooters and since LBJ is really your primary ball handler anyway, Ingram and Ball are sort of roleless since both shoot like pure ****.

"Should have paid Lin and rid ourselves of Melo. Lin makes every team better." - HofstraBBall 11/12/2018
martin
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11/4/2018  2:08 PM
TripleThreat wrote:
Uptown wrote:Smart pick up by the Lakers! They desperately need another big....Could use a shooter as well...

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/tyson-chandler-plans-to-sign-with-lakers-after-finalizing-buyout-with-suns-per-reports/44


Chandler is better than what they had, but it's not much more.

Lakers have no rim protection aside from McGee. Beasley interesting enough has done pretty well considering the situation.

LBJ gets teams to sign who he wants, but he never seems to want rim protection. Odd.

Lakers should offer Ingram and Ball for Zinger. They need rim protecion and shooters and since LBJ is really your primary ball handler anyway, Ingram and Ball are sort of roleless since both shoot like pure ****.

You mean locked to the bench? Dude has played exactly 10 minutes across all of Lakers 9 games.

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11/4/2018  3:59 PM
TripleThreat wrote:
Uptown wrote:Smart pick up by the Lakers! They desperately need another big....Could use a shooter as well...

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/tyson-chandler-plans-to-sign-with-lakers-after-finalizing-buyout-with-suns-per-reports/44


Chandler is better than what they had, but it's not much more.

Lakers have no rim protection aside from McGee. Beasley interesting enough has done pretty well considering the situation.

LBJ gets teams to sign who he wants, but he never seems to want rim protection. Odd.

Lakers should offer Ingram and Ball for Zinger. They need rim protecion and shooters and since LBJ is really your primary ball handler anyway, Ingram and Ball are sort of roleless since both shoot like pure ****.

Your are wrong on many levels here...I have watched every single Laker game....First, Beasley hasn't played much at all this season, so not sure how you figure he's done well unless you mean he's been a good cheerleader.

Second, Rondo has done an outstanding job running the point and alleviating Lebron from primary ball handling responsibilities...Rondo was great last night running the show (yes he and Lebron took turns at times) and on top of that, for the first time since Lebron played along side Wade, Rondo, not Lebron was barking instructions, huddling the team, talking during timeouts and getting guys into position. Also, Ball handles the rock quite a bit when he ie in the game too....

Third, you say Lebron never wants rim protectors, yet they signed McGee this summer (he has been outstanding protecting the rim by the way, 6 big blocks last night) and now they are adding Chandler....You are correct on one level; the Lakers absolutely need one more shooter...

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11/4/2018  6:11 PM
Uptown wrote:
TripleThreat wrote:
Uptown wrote:Smart pick up by the Lakers! They desperately need another big....Could use a shooter as well...

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/tyson-chandler-plans-to-sign-with-lakers-after-finalizing-buyout-with-suns-per-reports/44


Chandler is better than what they had, but it's not much more.

Lakers have no rim protection aside from McGee. Beasley interesting enough has done pretty well considering the situation.

LBJ gets teams to sign who he wants, but he never seems to want rim protection. Odd.

Lakers should offer Ingram and Ball for Zinger. They need rim protecion and shooters and since LBJ is really your primary ball handler anyway, Ingram and Ball are sort of roleless since both shoot like pure ****.

Your are wrong on many levels here...I have watched every single Laker game....First, Beasley hasn't played much at all this season, so not sure how you figure he's done well unless you mean he's been a good cheerleader.

Second, Rondo has done an outstanding job running the point and alleviating Lebron from primary ball handling responsibilities...Rondo was great last night running the show (yes he and Lebron took turns at times) and on top of that, for the first time since Lebron played along side Wade, Rondo, not Lebron was barking instructions, huddling the team, talking during timeouts and getting guys into position. Also, Ball handles the rock quite a bit when he ie in the game too....

Third, you say Lebron never wants rim protectors, yet they signed McGee this summer (he has been outstanding protecting the rim by the way, 6 big blocks last night) and now they are adding Chandler....You are correct on one level; the Lakers absolutely need one more shooter...


Beasley has had a career long love affair with his girlfriend, Mary Jane, which impacts his play and how teams look at him, and apparently the love affair has become torrid since he went to LA. How he has managed to stay on that roster and active is a feat of LBJ's pure social power in the league. Beasley being on an active NBA roster right now and still garnering service time is right up there with Rich Kotite managing to not get torn apart by fans after his 15,835th horrible decision.

Rondo can't shoot for **** ( making their shooting problems worse) and his defense is woefully inconsistent. Given that he doesn't space the floor, he should be putting more effort on his D, but he doesn't. He doesn't fit the Kyrie Irving/Dwayne Wade mold, which means when LBJ is not the only ball dominant player on the roster, that player actually has to be able to consistently create his own shot. LBJ is doing more off ball because this team has no shooters, but how long that's sustainable is not clear. He plays a certain way and has done so for a long time. He operates typically with another ball dominant iso scorer to trade off with and a ton of shooters on a veteran team. Ball is not a good shooter at all. But he's not a sunk cost like Rondo and is a better defender and moves better off the ball. Also this team needs to see more of what they have in Ball during his rookie contract.

Heat - Joel Anthony, Big Z, Dampier. They were fortunate Chris Bosh radically changed his game and the amnesty provided Birdman
Cavs Part 2 - Tristan Thompson/Kevin Love
Lakers - Signed JaVale McGee, but lost Brook Lopez and forced Zubac and Kuzma into roles they are not suited/experienced enough for and it shows.

Pivot has consistently been a problem wherever LBJ goes. He seems hell bent on making sure Mike Miller, Haslem, Korver, Thompson and the like get paid, but not a stable rim protector. McGee can't play every minute. You need more than 1 rim protector on your roster.

What goes often unnoticed is how much Bosh and Love radically changed their games/play style to better complement LBJ. He did not make those players better. They had to adjust to find success with LBJ's tradeoffs on the floor.

Rondo has no future with this team. He's blocking a younger player who might have a future there. His negative tradeoffs (no shooting/**** defense) only compound the Lakers existing problems. Nothing in his play style suits what LBJ has done most of his career with other teammates that has worked ( somewhat)

The Lakers desperately need more shooters. Their floor spacing is putrid. Sadly, my bet is LBJ will force this team to get more Klutch Sports guys next offseason. LBJ is a great player, a generational player. He, however, does not improve the play of young players/rookies ( mostly because he wants veteran teams) and the true difference makers in the league who will/can/do move, they aren't rushing to play with him. LBJ totally ****ed Bosh and Love in the press. They sacrificed their games and LBJ just ****ed them over. They were bombarded by trade rumors/blame hit piece articles for forever. Why would any player with choices want to be subjected to that ****?

"Should have paid Lin and rid ourselves of Melo. Lin makes every team better." - HofstraBBall 11/12/2018
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11/5/2018  3:25 AM
Never thought Sexton was a top 10 guy in the last draft, but this a bit much. Cleveland is even more of a crap show than it was the first time LeBron left and they wasted the first overall pick on Anthony Bennett.
http://www.sportingnews.com/us/nba/news/cavaliers-collin-sexton-veterans-frustrated-cant-play-tyronn-lue-nba-news-larry-drew-magic/1llld947oexzn15e0eljldtyex

Per the report: "It's becoming increasingly clear that when you hear a Cavs veteran talk about younger players not knowing their role, or knowing how to win, or what to do on the court, they mean Sexton. Throughout the organization, the line on Sexton is that he does not 'know how to play.'"
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11/5/2018  10:38 AM
its almost too bad Briggs isnt around to troll a bit. Its funny how I immediately think of him when I see certain players.
For example Frank Kaminsky (sure fire high end player) is out of the rotation and is on a trajectory to be a scrapheap league min player. Meanwhile one of the keys behind the Kings strong start has been the emergence of WCS who has become a very good 2-way center.

Here's an eye popper: Marcus Smart after getting paid: 5ppg, 4assist, 24mpg, 30% FGs, $12mm bucks. Good thing he's really good at playing that there d-fence

martin
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11/5/2018  1:27 PM
fishmike wrote:its almost too bad Briggs isnt around to troll a bit. Its funny how I immediately think of him when I see certain players.
For example Frank Kaminsky (sure fire high end player) is out of the rotation and is on a trajectory to be a scrapheap league min player. Meanwhile one of the keys behind the Kings strong start has been the emergence of WCS who has become a very good 2-way center.

Here's an eye popper: Marcus Smart after getting paid: 5ppg, 4assist, 24mpg, 30% FGs, $12mm bucks. Good thing he's really good at playing that there d-fence

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11/5/2018  2:27 PM
BigDaddyG wrote:Never thought Sexton was a top 10 guy in the last draft, but this a bit much. Cleveland is even more of a crap show than it was the first time LeBron left and they wasted the first overall pick on Anthony Bennett.
http://www.sportingnews.com/us/nba/news/cavaliers-collin-sexton-veterans-frustrated-cant-play-tyronn-lue-nba-news-larry-drew-magic/1llld947oexzn15e0eljldtyex

Per the report: "It's becoming increasingly clear that when you hear a Cavs veteran talk about younger players not knowing their role, or knowing how to win, or what to do on the court, they mean Sexton. Throughout the organization, the line on Sexton is that he does not 'know how to play.'"

really shoddy behaviour from so called veterans. He's 19, and doesn't even have 10 games under his belt- if he's doing something wrong, help teach him, don't go criticizing him to the press.

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11/5/2018  3:34 PM
smackeddog wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote:Never thought Sexton was a top 10 guy in the last draft, but this a bit much. Cleveland is even more of a crap show than it was the first time LeBron left and they wasted the first overall pick on Anthony Bennett.
http://www.sportingnews.com/us/nba/news/cavaliers-collin-sexton-veterans-frustrated-cant-play-tyronn-lue-nba-news-larry-drew-magic/1llld947oexzn15e0eljldtyex

Per the report: "It's becoming increasingly clear that when you hear a Cavs veteran talk about younger players not knowing their role, or knowing how to win, or what to do on the court, they mean Sexton. Throughout the organization, the line on Sexton is that he does not 'know how to play.'"

really shoddy behaviour from so called veterans. He's 19, and doesn't even have 10 games under his belt- if he's doing something wrong, help teach him, don't go criticizing him to the press.


You can't deny that Phil was spot on with at least one trade.
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11/5/2018  4:17 PM    LAST EDITED: 11/5/2018  4:18 PM
meloshouldgo wrote:
martin wrote:Ugh

yuck

It just never made sense to me to through a bunch of young kids on the court a let them learn the hard way

Report suggests Cavs' veterans unimpressed with Sexton
Field Level MediaReuters
Posted at Nov 05 2018 10:05 AM


It apparently has taken some Cleveland Cavaliers veteran players nine games to decide that first-round draft pick Collin Sexton doesn't "know how to play."

A report in The Athletic zeroes in on Sexton, the eighth pick overall in the NBA draft in June, who apparently was viewed as a player to build around in the wake of the end of the LeBron James era.

The 19-year-old Sexton, who spent one season at Alabama, is averaging 23.7 minutes per game, with 11.1 points, 2.4 rebounds and 2.2 assists on 41.3 percent shooting.

The Cavaliers have begun the season 1-8, which cost coach Tyronn Lue his job, and their best player, power forward Kevin Love is out for up to six weeks with a foot injury.

Joe Vardon of The Athletic writes:

"It's becoming increasingly clear that when you hear a Cavs veteran talk about younger players not knowing their role, or knowing how to win, or what to do on the court, they mean Sexton," according to the article.

"Throughout the organization, the line on Sexton is that he does not 'know how to play.' He doesn't know how to defend the pick and roll. He doesn't know how to set up teammates as a point guard. ... and they're discouraged when, after these losses, he doesn't seem bothered by them."

For the 8th pick in the draft the _________ select

2018-sexton
2017-frank
2016-marquese
2015-stanley
2014-stauskas
2013-caldwell pope
2012-terrence ross
2011-Farouq Aminu
2010-brandon knight

Something about that 8th pick that never produces a star or even close to it, I wanted to trade that pick so bad, move up, down, just not the 8th pick

ES
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11/5/2018  9:14 PM
I just came to realize that utAh got gobert and donovan fro
Draft day trades w Denver

New draft plan. Trade w Denver

DJMUSIC: Fisher talked a good game in Post game but aside from that Derek Fisher was ALL CHIT CHAT SH_t and produced nothing!
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11/6/2018  10:27 PM
knicks1248 wrote:
meloshouldgo wrote:
martin wrote:Ugh

yuck

It just never made sense to me to through a bunch of young kids on the court a let them learn the hard way

Report suggests Cavs' veterans unimpressed with Sexton
Field Level MediaReuters
Posted at Nov 05 2018 10:05 AM


It apparently has taken some Cleveland Cavaliers veteran players nine games to decide that first-round draft pick Collin Sexton doesn't "know how to play."

A report in The Athletic zeroes in on Sexton, the eighth pick overall in the NBA draft in June, who apparently was viewed as a player to build around in the wake of the end of the LeBron James era.

The 19-year-old Sexton, who spent one season at Alabama, is averaging 23.7 minutes per game, with 11.1 points, 2.4 rebounds and 2.2 assists on 41.3 percent shooting.

The Cavaliers have begun the season 1-8, which cost coach Tyronn Lue his job, and their best player, power forward Kevin Love is out for up to six weeks with a foot injury.

Joe Vardon of The Athletic writes:

"It's becoming increasingly clear that when you hear a Cavs veteran talk about younger players not knowing their role, or knowing how to win, or what to do on the court, they mean Sexton," according to the article.

"Throughout the organization, the line on Sexton is that he does not 'know how to play.' He doesn't know how to defend the pick and roll. He doesn't know how to set up teammates as a point guard. ... and they're discouraged when, after these losses, he doesn't seem bothered by them."

For the 8th pick in the draft the _________ select

2018-sexton
2017-frank
2016-marquese
2015-stanley
2014-stauskas
2013-caldwell pope
2012-terrence ross
2011-Farouq Aminu
2010-brandon knight

Something about that 8th pick that never produces a star or even close to it, I wanted to trade that pick so bad, move up, down, just not the 8th pick

This was about Jabari Parker but you had to make it about Frank using Sexton as an excuse. 😀
Your way of looking at basketball is history, consider coming over to the other side. And drop your hate fir Frank, he'll be around for a long time.

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11/7/2018  12:52 PM    LAST EDITED: 11/7/2018  12:55 PM
meloshouldgo wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
meloshouldgo wrote:
martin wrote:Ugh

yuck

It just never made sense to me to through a bunch of young kids on the court a let them learn the hard way

Report suggests Cavs' veterans unimpressed with Sexton
Field Level MediaReuters
Posted at Nov 05 2018 10:05 AM


It apparently has taken some Cleveland Cavaliers veteran players nine games to decide that first-round draft pick Collin Sexton doesn't "know how to play."

A report in The Athletic zeroes in on Sexton, the eighth pick overall in the NBA draft in June, who apparently was viewed as a player to build around in the wake of the end of the LeBron James era.

The 19-year-old Sexton, who spent one season at Alabama, is averaging 23.7 minutes per game, with 11.1 points, 2.4 rebounds and 2.2 assists on 41.3 percent shooting.

The Cavaliers have begun the season 1-8, which cost coach Tyronn Lue his job, and their best player, power forward Kevin Love is out for up to six weeks with a foot injury.

Joe Vardon of The Athletic writes:

"It's becoming increasingly clear that when you hear a Cavs veteran talk about younger players not knowing their role, or knowing how to win, or what to do on the court, they mean Sexton," according to the article.

"Throughout the organization, the line on Sexton is that he does not 'know how to play.' He doesn't know how to defend the pick and roll. He doesn't know how to set up teammates as a point guard. ... and they're discouraged when, after these losses, he doesn't seem bothered by them."

For the 8th pick in the draft the _________ select

2018-sexton
2017-frank
2016-marquese
2015-stanley
2014-stauskas
2013-caldwell pope
2012-terrence ross
2011-Farouq Aminu
2010-brandon knight

Something about that 8th pick that never produces a star or even close to it, I wanted to trade that pick so bad, move up, down, just not the 8th pick

This was about Jabari Parker but you had to make it about Frank using Sexton as an excuse. 😀
Your way of looking at basketball is history, consider coming over to the other side. And drop your hate fir Frank, he'll be around for a long time.

I don't hate frank, I hate that he can't shoot, dribble, or get to the FT line, in other words I hate passive players when we are in need of aggressive players

You have your reason you Hate Melo and THJ, who have done 10x more than frank

ES
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11/7/2018  1:20 PM
knicks1248 wrote:
Something about that 8th pick that never produces a star or even close to it, I wanted to trade that pick so bad, move up, down, just not the 8th pick

That line of thinking is 100% superstition, you might as well be looking at player's astrology signs.

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11/7/2018  4:05 PM
miles bridges . . . my goodness.

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11/7/2018  10:43 PM
Whiteside had 29/21/9 game!!! Almost did what KP promised and pulled off the first ever triple double in Pts/rebs/Blks
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11/8/2018  9:58 AM
knicks1248 wrote:
meloshouldgo wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
meloshouldgo wrote:
martin wrote:Ugh

yuck

It just never made sense to me to through a bunch of young kids on the court a let them learn the hard way

Report suggests Cavs' veterans unimpressed with Sexton
Field Level MediaReuters
Posted at Nov 05 2018 10:05 AM


It apparently has taken some Cleveland Cavaliers veteran players nine games to decide that first-round draft pick Collin Sexton doesn't "know how to play."

A report in The Athletic zeroes in on Sexton, the eighth pick overall in the NBA draft in June, who apparently was viewed as a player to build around in the wake of the end of the LeBron James era.

The 19-year-old Sexton, who spent one season at Alabama, is averaging 23.7 minutes per game, with 11.1 points, 2.4 rebounds and 2.2 assists on 41.3 percent shooting.

The Cavaliers have begun the season 1-8, which cost coach Tyronn Lue his job, and their best player, power forward Kevin Love is out for up to six weeks with a foot injury.

Joe Vardon of The Athletic writes:

"It's becoming increasingly clear that when you hear a Cavs veteran talk about younger players not knowing their role, or knowing how to win, or what to do on the court, they mean Sexton," according to the article.

"Throughout the organization, the line on Sexton is that he does not 'know how to play.' He doesn't know how to defend the pick and roll. He doesn't know how to set up teammates as a point guard. ... and they're discouraged when, after these losses, he doesn't seem bothered by them."

For the 8th pick in the draft the _________ select

2018-sexton
2017-frank
2016-marquese
2015-stanley
2014-stauskas
2013-caldwell pope
2012-terrence ross
2011-Farouq Aminu
2010-brandon knight

Something about that 8th pick that never produces a star or even close to it, I wanted to trade that pick so bad, move up, down, just not the 8th pick

This was about Jabari Parker but you had to make it about Frank using Sexton as an excuse. 😀
Your way of looking at basketball is history, consider coming over to the other side. And drop your hate fir Frank, he'll be around for a long time.

I don't hate frank, I hate that he can't shoot, dribble, or get to the FT line, in other words I hate passive players when we are in need of aggressive players

You have your reason you Hate Melo and THJ, who have done 10x more than frank

whats funny is you wanted to be like Miami. We hired a Miami guy, we play hard hard for 48 minutes and the type of coach YOU pined for has Burke sitting and Frank starting. What is funny to some here is you dont know why and are puzzled by this.
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