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Uptown
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2/10/2019  5:56 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/10/2019  6:03 PM
CrushAlot wrote:
Knicksfan wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:Rockets up 22 at the half and go on to lose to OKC.

Celts up 28, lose to the Clippers by 11.

Kyries leaving...Kyries leaving...

That team was pegged as the Eastern conference favorites coming into the season but something is off with them...Fans accusing the Celts of selfish/individual play, especially from Rozier, Brown and Morris. When is Brad "The coaching genius" Stevens going to take some blame?

“It’s much more about the perception of the organization,” Fizdale said. “What I think we’ve done together with Steve [Mills] and Scott [Perry], Mr. Dolan and myself an
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2/11/2019  4:47 AM
Uptown wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
Knicksfan wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:Rockets up 22 at the half and go on to lose to OKC.

Celts up 28, lose to the Clippers by 11.

Kyries leaving...Kyries leaving...

That team was pegged as the Eastern conference favorites coming into the season but something is off with them...Fans accusing the Celts of selfish/individual play, especially from Rozier, Brown and Morris. When is Brad "The coaching genius" Stevens going to take some blame?

Issue definitely seems to be players not liking each other- get the impression Tatum, Rozier and Brown probably felt they did just fine without Kyrie, so when he returned and Brown and Rozier's play slumped they probably blamed him, then when he called them out, that probably added to their frustrations. I originally thought that meant Kyrie would walk (he seems to dislike the young guys), but if the Celtics trade the young guys for AD, that kills two birds with one stone.

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2/11/2019  1:12 PM
smackeddog wrote:
Uptown wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
Knicksfan wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:Rockets up 22 at the half and go on to lose to OKC.

Celts up 28, lose to the Clippers by 11.

Kyries leaving...Kyries leaving...

That team was pegged as the Eastern conference favorites coming into the season but something is off with them...Fans accusing the Celts of selfish/individual play, especially from Rozier, Brown and Morris. When is Brad "The coaching genius" Stevens going to take some blame?

Issue definitely seems to be players not liking each other- get the impression Tatum, Rozier and Brown probably felt they did just fine without Kyrie, so when he returned and Brown and Rozier's play slumped they probably blamed him, then when he called them out, that probably added to their frustrations. I originally thought that meant Kyrie would walk (he seems to dislike the young guys), but if the Celtics trade the young guys for AD, that kills two birds with one stone.

something to keep in mind. He didn't like playing with Lebron either: grass is always greener...

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2/11/2019  1:27 PM
Uptown wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
Knicksfan wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:Rockets up 22 at the half and go on to lose to OKC.

Celts up 28, lose to the Clippers by 11.

Kyries leaving...Kyries leaving...

That team was pegged as the Eastern conference favorites coming into the season but something is off with them...Fans accusing the Celts of selfish/individual play, especially from Rozier, Brown and Morris. When is Brad "The coaching genius" Stevens going to take some blame?

He has a history of taking it. Google it.
But Then what. Should he quit? Fire himself? Assuming "any coach is better than this....."?
Ainge built this thing? Is it just this year? Does the fix include trades in off season?
Kyrie and Horford are FA's. Blame might identify but rarely fixes.

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2/11/2019  2:31 PM
Lin bought out by the hawks and is joining the craptors, excellent move for them and good insurance in case Lowrys back breaks down
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2/11/2019  4:37 PM
smackeddog wrote:Lin bought out by the hawks and is joining the craptors, excellent move for them and good insurance in case Lowrys back breaks down

Calling this "Insurance" is like calling Wendy's a high end restaurant.

Just kidding. Think Lin will take the Raptors to the same heights he took Houston, Lakers, Hornets, Nets and Hawks.

Only reason he was brought in is because VanVleet is out 3 weeks. May be waived after that.

"Melo was the best thing that ever happened to the Knicks organization. Phil came in and fucked things up and got $60 Million to do so" -TripleThreat 11-13-2018
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2/11/2019  4:39 PM
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Love this for the bucks

Agree, he is another good threat from three that will keep defenses from helping on the Freak.

"Melo was the best thing that ever happened to the Knicks organization. Phil came in and fucked things up and got $60 Million to do so" -TripleThreat 11-13-2018
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2/11/2019  5:07 PM
HofstraBBall wrote:
smackeddog wrote:Lin bought out by the hawks and is joining the craptors, excellent move for them and good insurance in case Lowrys back breaks down

Calling this "Insurance" is like calling Wendy's a high end restaurant.

Just kidding. Think Lin will take the Raptors to the same heights he took Houston, Lakers, Hornets, Nets and Hawks.

Only reason he was brought in is because VanVleet is out 3 weeks. May be waived after that.

Lowry has also had low back issues, right? Feel like it's insurance for everyone

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2/11/2019  5:22 PM
martin wrote:
HofstraBBall wrote:
smackeddog wrote:Lin bought out by the hawks and is joining the craptors, excellent move for them and good insurance in case Lowrys back breaks down

Calling this "Insurance" is like calling Wendy's a high end restaurant.

Just kidding. Think Lin will take the Raptors to the same heights he took Houston, Lakers, Hornets, Nets and Hawks.

Only reason he was brought in is because VanVleet is out 3 weeks. May be waived after that.

Lowry has also had low back issues, right? Feel like it's insurance for everyone

I hope this time next year its us signing these ring chasing buy outs

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2/11/2019  7:08 PM
martin wrote:
HofstraBBall wrote:
smackeddog wrote:Lin bought out by the hawks and is joining the craptors, excellent move for them and good insurance in case Lowrys back breaks down

Calling this "Insurance" is like calling Wendy's a high end restaurant.

Just kidding. Think Lin will take the Raptors to the same heights he took Houston, Lakers, Hornets, Nets and Hawks.

Only reason he was brought in is because VanVleet is out 3 weeks. May be waived after that.

Lowry has also had low back issues, right? Feel like it's insurance for everyone

Possibly. Lowry looked pretty good the other night. Did seem to be a bit on cruise though. Specially in first quarter. Do think Lin was picked up for VanVleet though. We will see what happens to Lin once Vanvleet comes back. Do think Lin is a good back up for most teams though.

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2/11/2019  7:15 PM
Not sure if you guys seen this yet....Hilarious

“It’s much more about the perception of the organization,” Fizdale said. “What I think we’ve done together with Steve [Mills] and Scott [Perry], Mr. Dolan and myself an
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2/11/2019  7:19 PM
HofstraBBall wrote:
martin wrote:
HofstraBBall wrote:
smackeddog wrote:Lin bought out by the hawks and is joining the craptors, excellent move for them and good insurance in case Lowrys back breaks down

Calling this "Insurance" is like calling Wendy's a high end restaurant.

Just kidding. Think Lin will take the Raptors to the same heights he took Houston, Lakers, Hornets, Nets and Hawks.

Only reason he was brought in is because VanVleet is out 3 weeks. May be waived after that.

Lowry has also had low back issues, right? Feel like it's insurance for everyone

Possibly. Lowry looked pretty good the other night. Did seem to be a bit on cruise though. Specially in first quarter. Do think Lin was picked up for VanVleet though. We will see what happens to Lin once Vanvleet comes back. Do think Lin is a good back up for most teams though.

what's the scoop with Vanvleet. Wasn't he being praised just last year?

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2/11/2019  9:53 PM
Uptown wrote:Not sure if you guys seen this yet....Hilarious

That is funny!

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2/12/2019  4:16 AM
Uptown wrote:Not sure if you guys seen this yet....Hilarious

Hahahaha awesome!

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2/12/2019  5:09 PM
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2/14/2019  9:16 AM
Can somebody tell me how the hell Scott Layden gets a job with the TWolves after being out of the league for over 15 years?
Trading Jeff Van Gundy for a second rounder..... SMFH
Trades Ewing, signs Felton Spenser.

And no, I don't know why I care.

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2/14/2019  2:21 PM
I don't think you can blame Layden for signing Fatton. Also, Ewing forced the trade. You can blame him for the return the Knicks got tho.
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2/14/2019  2:37 PM
jrodmc wrote:Can somebody tell me how the hell Scott Layden gets a job with the TWolves after being out of the league for over 15 years?
Trading Jeff Van Gundy for a second rounder..... SMFH
Trades Ewing, signs Felton Spenser.

And no, I don't know why I care.

Layden was brought in with the intention of being the number cruncher/admin for Dave Checketts, who would be making all the decisions. However shortly afterwards Checketts was forced out, and Layden ended up being the shot caller (which was never the intention when Checketts hired him), a role for which he was terribly suited.

Ironically, Thibs hired him at the Twolves with the intention of him being the number cruncher/admin, only to get ousted, thus leaving Layden once again as the decision maker. Look out Twolves!

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2/15/2019  10:04 AM
smackeddog wrote:
jrodmc wrote:Can somebody tell me how the hell Scott Layden gets a job with the TWolves after being out of the league for over 15 years?
Trading Jeff Van Gundy for a second rounder..... SMFH
Trades Ewing, signs Felton Spenser.

And no, I don't know why I care.

Layden was brought in with the intention of being the number cruncher/admin for Dave Checketts, who would be making all the decisions. However shortly afterwards Checketts was forced out, and Layden ended up being the shot caller (which was never the intention when Checketts hired him), a role for which he was terribly suited.

Ironically, Thibs hired him at the Twolves with the intention of him being the number cruncher/admin, only to get ousted, thus leaving Layden once again as the decision maker. Look out Twolves!

They've already mentioned the owner has a replacement GM in mind. Number cruncher/admin? Why not just buy a new version of Excel spreadsheet?

Hope is a good thing. And nothing good ever dies, but it just may not make the playoffs.
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2/15/2019  11:39 AM    LAST EDITED: 2/15/2019  11:44 AM
jrodmc wrote:
smackeddog wrote:
jrodmc wrote:Can somebody tell me how the hell Scott Layden gets a job with the TWolves after being out of the league for over 15 years?
Trading Jeff Van Gundy for a second rounder..... SMFH
Trades Ewing, signs Felton Spenser.

And no, I don't know why I care.

Layden was brought in with the intention of being the number cruncher/admin for Dave Checketts, who would be making all the decisions. However shortly afterwards Checketts was forced out, and Layden ended up being the shot caller (which was never the intention when Checketts hired him), a role for which he was terribly suited.

Ironically, Thibs hired him at the Twolves with the intention of him being the number cruncher/admin, only to get ousted, thus leaving Layden once again as the decision maker. Look out Twolves!

They've already mentioned the owner has a replacement GM in mind. Number cruncher/admin? Why not just buy a new version of Excel spreadsheet?

I used to hate Layden so much back then- even that picture of him at the Knicks practice with him wearing sandals pushed me over the edge!

Those nifty moves in full:

Scott Layden became Knicks GM in 99.

Draft, trade and signing history:

Trade 2000 1st rounder to Suns in Ewing deal
Trade 2001 1st rounder along with Childs to Raptors for Mark Jackson and Mugsy

02: drafts Nene and trades him along with M. Jackson, Camby to Denver for McDyess fresh off major knee surgery, a 2nd rounder and Frank Williams. McDyess ended up playing only 18 games for them in 2 years.

03: Drafts Sweetney over David West, Diaw, Pietrus, Ridnour, Outlaw, Barbosa and Josh Howard

Also took Lampe in 2nd round over Mo Williams and Kyle Korver

In 1999 he resigns Sprewell for 5ry $62 mil.
In 2000 he traded Ewing for Glen Rice, Longley and Travis Knight and Vernon Maxwell.

In 2001 he traded Erick Strickland, a first and 2nd round pick to Grizzlies for Othella Harrington. (first round pick turned out to be Jamal Tinsley)

In the 01/02 season he resigned Allan Houston for 6yr $100 mil. He also traded Rice and Bogues in a 3 team deal that landed them Howard Eisley and Shandon Anderson. That deal put them on the hook for 6yrs each at a combined $77 mil, which was about $47 mil more worth of contracts that they traded away and put them deeper against the cap.

In the 03/04 season he traded Sprewell in a 4 team trade that landed them Van Horn. Signed Mutombo to 2yr deal.

In Dec 03 he was fired.

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