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Nalod
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5/20/2022  12:38 PM
foosballnick wrote:
Philc1 wrote:
Jmpasq wrote:
HofstraBBall wrote:
fwk00 wrote:
TripleThreat wrote:
Philc1 wrote:It would have been essentially a 1 year deal. Who cares if it’s $19 million. We’re locked into Randle the black hole for $117 million over 4 years


There was no reason for Ntilikina to resign with the Knicks.

Thibs just won Coach Of The Year. So that means he'd get at least two more seasons as the Knicks head coach. Thibs was not playing Ntilikina and it was evident he'd never actually choose to give him minutes. It's because Frank N is a net negative player on the court and he doesn't actually do his job. His job is to do more than just play wing defense. He's got to help out in other aspects of the game.

Ntilikina's agent would tell him the truth. Go somewhere else and RESTART your Bird Rights clock. That's extremely critical for any NBA player who just had their rights, including their Full Bird Rights, renounced. Go somewhere else where you can get a fresh start and more minutes. And play for a coach who will actually give you minutes.

Consider "giving minutes" versus "earning minutes"

Frank N DID NOT EARN minutes with the Knicks. So he stopped getting them. Play better and you start to get more minutes, that's not rocket science.

Why would the Knicks resign a guy they renounced? Had they locked in that qualifying offer, that's over 7 million in cap space soaked into a player that refuses to help the Knicks win games and Thibs just doesn't like him. That's a waste of a roster spot and cap space.

The 19 million was the "cap hold" which limits FA timeline flexibility. Not his projectible salary. What are you even talking about? You clearly have no idea what you are talking about.

Anyone here saying the Knicks should have resigned Ntilikina to a one year deal, that makes no sense at all. It makes no sense from the Knicks side, from Thibs viewpoint and from Ntilikina's long term career (what's left of it) best pathway.

I didn't want Ntilikina back on the Knicks for any money and Thibs was the reason.

Let me just dispel a myth you are weaving about "earning" minutes.

Players are assets just like chess pieces. Each team gets 17 to do with as they please. It's the FO's job to maximize the flexibility that the coach has to operate with.

Once you devolve into the Barney Ruble mentality of players "earning" minutes you diminish the quality of the job a coach is tasked with. A coach isn't there to pick favorites or grade athletes like a Phys. Ed teacher. They are there to win games with the assets they have. Some coaches need a chess board full of queens to win their game. In the NBA you play with the pieces you have. Maybe you hate the pieces but that's life. Don't pout, don't "teach a player a lesson", maximize the F'n assets and win. Full stop.

When Thibs' Barney Ruble stuff was being exposed by Atlanta it showed his incompetence in creatively adjusting the rotation and play calling to fit the situation. We didn't lose because Frankie and anybody else who could have helped didn't practice hard enough.

That's BS.

I'm happy for Frankie. Good on the Mavs.

Your happy for Franky averaging 2 minutes more than the hell you claim he was in here? The DNP in Jazz series? He played more than 12 minutes in only ONE game of the Sun's series?

Thing with Frank fans is they have NO statistical evidence as to why the Knicks should have kept Frank. Nor do they care about the cost. Just their dreamt up visions that have been in their heads since 2017. With the new one being that a player who never proved much knows more than an experienced COY.


Dude has 12 points in 88 minutes played in the playoffs. Everyone talks about Frank like he is the reason for the Mavs defense. Meanwhile he played 4 minutes in the first half in Game 7 where the Suns scored 27 points

And meanwhile Evan Fournier is relaxing on the golf course with his $80 million contract. Yay us


- Fournier's contract is 3 Years $54M with a 4th year TEAM OPTION @ $19M. He also has $6M in incentives which are unlikely to be achieved.

- Fournier is sitting on the golf course because the Knicks best player decided to stop taking his Zoloft this year and because the Knicks decided to play PG'less for a significant portion of the year.

Details matter.

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5/20/2022  1:39 PM
Nalod wrote:
foosballnick wrote:
Philc1 wrote:
Jmpasq wrote:
HofstraBBall wrote:
fwk00 wrote:
TripleThreat wrote:
Philc1 wrote:It would have been essentially a 1 year deal. Who cares if it’s $19 million. We’re locked into Randle the black hole for $117 million over 4 years


There was no reason for Ntilikina to resign with the Knicks.

Thibs just won Coach Of The Year. So that means he'd get at least two more seasons as the Knicks head coach. Thibs was not playing Ntilikina and it was evident he'd never actually choose to give him minutes. It's because Frank N is a net negative player on the court and he doesn't actually do his job. His job is to do more than just play wing defense. He's got to help out in other aspects of the game.

Ntilikina's agent would tell him the truth. Go somewhere else and RESTART your Bird Rights clock. That's extremely critical for any NBA player who just had their rights, including their Full Bird Rights, renounced. Go somewhere else where you can get a fresh start and more minutes. And play for a coach who will actually give you minutes.

Consider "giving minutes" versus "earning minutes"

Frank N DID NOT EARN minutes with the Knicks. So he stopped getting them. Play better and you start to get more minutes, that's not rocket science.

Why would the Knicks resign a guy they renounced? Had they locked in that qualifying offer, that's over 7 million in cap space soaked into a player that refuses to help the Knicks win games and Thibs just doesn't like him. That's a waste of a roster spot and cap space.

The 19 million was the "cap hold" which limits FA timeline flexibility. Not his projectible salary. What are you even talking about? You clearly have no idea what you are talking about.

Anyone here saying the Knicks should have resigned Ntilikina to a one year deal, that makes no sense at all. It makes no sense from the Knicks side, from Thibs viewpoint and from Ntilikina's long term career (what's left of it) best pathway.

I didn't want Ntilikina back on the Knicks for any money and Thibs was the reason.

Let me just dispel a myth you are weaving about "earning" minutes.

Players are assets just like chess pieces. Each team gets 17 to do with as they please. It's the FO's job to maximize the flexibility that the coach has to operate with.

Once you devolve into the Barney Ruble mentality of players "earning" minutes you diminish the quality of the job a coach is tasked with. A coach isn't there to pick favorites or grade athletes like a Phys. Ed teacher. They are there to win games with the assets they have. Some coaches need a chess board full of queens to win their game. In the NBA you play with the pieces you have. Maybe you hate the pieces but that's life. Don't pout, don't "teach a player a lesson", maximize the F'n assets and win. Full stop.

When Thibs' Barney Ruble stuff was being exposed by Atlanta it showed his incompetence in creatively adjusting the rotation and play calling to fit the situation. We didn't lose because Frankie and anybody else who could have helped didn't practice hard enough.

That's BS.

I'm happy for Frankie. Good on the Mavs.

Your happy for Franky averaging 2 minutes more than the hell you claim he was in here? The DNP in Jazz series? He played more than 12 minutes in only ONE game of the Sun's series?

Thing with Frank fans is they have NO statistical evidence as to why the Knicks should have kept Frank. Nor do they care about the cost. Just their dreamt up visions that have been in their heads since 2017. With the new one being that a player who never proved much knows more than an experienced COY.


Dude has 12 points in 88 minutes played in the playoffs. Everyone talks about Frank like he is the reason for the Mavs defense. Meanwhile he played 4 minutes in the first half in Game 7 where the Suns scored 27 points

And meanwhile Evan Fournier is relaxing on the golf course with his $80 million contract. Yay us


- Fournier's contract is 3 Years $54M with a 4th year TEAM OPTION @ $19M. He also has $6M in incentives which are unlikely to be achieved.

- Fournier is sitting on the golf course because the Knicks best player decided to stop taking his Zoloft this year and because the Knicks decided to play PG'less for a significant portion of the year.

Details matter.

wrecks the narrative tho

Fournier has 2 years left at $37mm (combined) and was one of the best 3 point shooters in the league last year. (#4 in makes, #8 in attempts)

"winning is more fun... then fun is fun" -Thibs
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5/20/2022  1:46 PM
Marv wrote:
Chandler wrote:
Marv wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote:
Chandler wrote:Am I the only one who thinks TT’s squirrel should be the official mascot for UK forum and knicks fans more generally?

Probably.

no i'm down

that squirrel is boss

we gotta give him a name that exemplifies the franchise for the last 20 years

i vote for marbs the squirrel

next episode shows the little bastard scurrying to get the lid off a vaseline jar

the twirly feeder thing symbolizes team success

and we/squirrel get spun around and flung every time

nice one

personally i like to be a layer away from identifying directly with the squirrel

allows for a little more frivolity and a little less futility

not to mention preserving my mood for my upcoming day of boulevardiering and daydrinking in the great city of nyc

I get it, you guys like the twirly, swingers type

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5/21/2022  7:36 AM
foosballnick wrote:
Philc1 wrote:
Jmpasq wrote:
HofstraBBall wrote:
fwk00 wrote:
TripleThreat wrote:
Philc1 wrote:It would have been essentially a 1 year deal. Who cares if it’s $19 million. We’re locked into Randle the black hole for $117 million over 4 years


There was no reason for Ntilikina to resign with the Knicks.

Thibs just won Coach Of The Year. So that means he'd get at least two more seasons as the Knicks head coach. Thibs was not playing Ntilikina and it was evident he'd never actually choose to give him minutes. It's because Frank N is a net negative player on the court and he doesn't actually do his job. His job is to do more than just play wing defense. He's got to help out in other aspects of the game.

Ntilikina's agent would tell him the truth. Go somewhere else and RESTART your Bird Rights clock. That's extremely critical for any NBA player who just had their rights, including their Full Bird Rights, renounced. Go somewhere else where you can get a fresh start and more minutes. And play for a coach who will actually give you minutes.

Consider "giving minutes" versus "earning minutes"

Frank N DID NOT EARN minutes with the Knicks. So he stopped getting them. Play better and you start to get more minutes, that's not rocket science.

Why would the Knicks resign a guy they renounced? Had they locked in that qualifying offer, that's over 7 million in cap space soaked into a player that refuses to help the Knicks win games and Thibs just doesn't like him. That's a waste of a roster spot and cap space.

The 19 million was the "cap hold" which limits FA timeline flexibility. Not his projectible salary. What are you even talking about? You clearly have no idea what you are talking about.

Anyone here saying the Knicks should have resigned Ntilikina to a one year deal, that makes no sense at all. It makes no sense from the Knicks side, from Thibs viewpoint and from Ntilikina's long term career (what's left of it) best pathway.

I didn't want Ntilikina back on the Knicks for any money and Thibs was the reason.

Let me just dispel a myth you are weaving about "earning" minutes.

Players are assets just like chess pieces. Each team gets 17 to do with as they please. It's the FO's job to maximize the flexibility that the coach has to operate with.

Once you devolve into the Barney Ruble mentality of players "earning" minutes you diminish the quality of the job a coach is tasked with. A coach isn't there to pick favorites or grade athletes like a Phys. Ed teacher. They are there to win games with the assets they have. Some coaches need a chess board full of queens to win their game. In the NBA you play with the pieces you have. Maybe you hate the pieces but that's life. Don't pout, don't "teach a player a lesson", maximize the F'n assets and win. Full stop.

When Thibs' Barney Ruble stuff was being exposed by Atlanta it showed his incompetence in creatively adjusting the rotation and play calling to fit the situation. We didn't lose because Frankie and anybody else who could have helped didn't practice hard enough.

That's BS.

I'm happy for Frankie. Good on the Mavs.

Your happy for Franky averaging 2 minutes more than the hell you claim he was in here? The DNP in Jazz series? He played more than 12 minutes in only ONE game of the Sun's series?

Thing with Frank fans is they have NO statistical evidence as to why the Knicks should have kept Frank. Nor do they care about the cost. Just their dreamt up visions that have been in their heads since 2017. With the new one being that a player who never proved much knows more than an experienced COY.


Dude has 12 points in 88 minutes played in the playoffs. Everyone talks about Frank like he is the reason for the Mavs defense. Meanwhile he played 4 minutes in the first half in Game 7 where the Suns scored 27 points

And meanwhile Evan Fournier is relaxing on the golf course with his $80 million contract. Yay us


- Fournier's contract is 3 Years $54M with a 4th year TEAM OPTION @ $19M. He also has $6M in incentives which are unlikely to be achieved.

- Fournier is sitting on the golf course because the Knicks best player decided to stop taking his Zoloft this year and because the Knicks decided to play PG'less for a significant portion of the year.

- still a bad contract that prevents us from signing Brunson or Tyus Jones this offseason

- our best players are Mitch and RJ. Mitch is about to leave and RJ might be tempted to demand a trade next season way things are going

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5/21/2022  3:05 PM
Philc1 wrote:
foosballnick wrote:
Philc1 wrote:
Jmpasq wrote:
HofstraBBall wrote:
fwk00 wrote:
TripleThreat wrote:
Philc1 wrote:It would have been essentially a 1 year deal. Who cares if it’s $19 million. We’re locked into Randle the black hole for $117 million over 4 years


There was no reason for Ntilikina to resign with the Knicks.

Thibs just won Coach Of The Year. So that means he'd get at least two more seasons as the Knicks head coach. Thibs was not playing Ntilikina and it was evident he'd never actually choose to give him minutes. It's because Frank N is a net negative player on the court and he doesn't actually do his job. His job is to do more than just play wing defense. He's got to help out in other aspects of the game.

Ntilikina's agent would tell him the truth. Go somewhere else and RESTART your Bird Rights clock. That's extremely critical for any NBA player who just had their rights, including their Full Bird Rights, renounced. Go somewhere else where you can get a fresh start and more minutes. And play for a coach who will actually give you minutes.

Consider "giving minutes" versus "earning minutes"

Frank N DID NOT EARN minutes with the Knicks. So he stopped getting them. Play better and you start to get more minutes, that's not rocket science.

Why would the Knicks resign a guy they renounced? Had they locked in that qualifying offer, that's over 7 million in cap space soaked into a player that refuses to help the Knicks win games and Thibs just doesn't like him. That's a waste of a roster spot and cap space.

The 19 million was the "cap hold" which limits FA timeline flexibility. Not his projectible salary. What are you even talking about? You clearly have no idea what you are talking about.

Anyone here saying the Knicks should have resigned Ntilikina to a one year deal, that makes no sense at all. It makes no sense from the Knicks side, from Thibs viewpoint and from Ntilikina's long term career (what's left of it) best pathway.

I didn't want Ntilikina back on the Knicks for any money and Thibs was the reason.

Let me just dispel a myth you are weaving about "earning" minutes.

Players are assets just like chess pieces. Each team gets 17 to do with as they please. It's the FO's job to maximize the flexibility that the coach has to operate with.

Once you devolve into the Barney Ruble mentality of players "earning" minutes you diminish the quality of the job a coach is tasked with. A coach isn't there to pick favorites or grade athletes like a Phys. Ed teacher. They are there to win games with the assets they have. Some coaches need a chess board full of queens to win their game. In the NBA you play with the pieces you have. Maybe you hate the pieces but that's life. Don't pout, don't "teach a player a lesson", maximize the F'n assets and win. Full stop.

When Thibs' Barney Ruble stuff was being exposed by Atlanta it showed his incompetence in creatively adjusting the rotation and play calling to fit the situation. We didn't lose because Frankie and anybody else who could have helped didn't practice hard enough.

That's BS.

I'm happy for Frankie. Good on the Mavs.

Your happy for Franky averaging 2 minutes more than the hell you claim he was in here? The DNP in Jazz series? He played more than 12 minutes in only ONE game of the Sun's series?

Thing with Frank fans is they have NO statistical evidence as to why the Knicks should have kept Frank. Nor do they care about the cost. Just their dreamt up visions that have been in their heads since 2017. With the new one being that a player who never proved much knows more than an experienced COY.


Dude has 12 points in 88 minutes played in the playoffs. Everyone talks about Frank like he is the reason for the Mavs defense. Meanwhile he played 4 minutes in the first half in Game 7 where the Suns scored 27 points

And meanwhile Evan Fournier is relaxing on the golf course with his $80 million contract. Yay us


- Fournier's contract is 3 Years $54M with a 4th year TEAM OPTION @ $19M. He also has $6M in incentives which are unlikely to be achieved.

- Fournier is sitting on the golf course because the Knicks best player decided to stop taking his Zoloft this year and because the Knicks decided to play PG'less for a significant portion of the year.

- still a bad contract that prevents us from signing Brunson or Tyus Jones this offseason

- our best players are Mitch and RJ. Mitch is about to leave and RJ might be tempted to demand a trade next season way things are going

Why So negative PhilC??
It will be alright..... Hey we may even get Franky back Did you write this article?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/dailyknicks.com/2022/05/21/3-radar-free-agent-options-knicks-pursue/amp/

'Knicks focus should be on players that have grown up playing soccer or cricket' - Triplethreat 8/28/2020
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5/21/2022  8:20 PM
Nalod wrote:
Details matter.

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5/22/2022  10:20 AM
TripleThreat wrote:
Kemet wrote:
The reason Frank is not a Knicks, because he FIRED the Knicks President Leon Rose as an agent, a agent who took that to swindled his way into becoming the Knicks president. Frank was never giving a playing-time lineup chance on the Knicks to build an Identity for himself in a lineup. From either President Mills/Perry's 9 player roster change each offseason, plus having 3 different head coaches in 3 seasons.
And Rose/Perry/and Thibs treated Franks 4th season in the NBA the same way Thibs treated Rookie McBride throughout this season.

If the Knicks gave Payton & Frank decent minutes to slow down Trae Young for 3 quarters in the Atlanta Hawks post season games last year, so a refresh PG D.Rose & Quickley's dynamic transition performance could start & take control of the 4th quarter to give the Knicks at least two or 4 wins in that series.
Taking Payton & Frank out of the Knicks rotation after the series was Tied 1-1 .. meant FIRE the COY for 3 straight losses (1-4). Keeping the COY ....
The same COY took Kemba Walker out of the regular season rotation when the Knicks had a 11-9 record 20 games into the season .. No Kemba gave the Knicks a 13-17 record in the next 10 games (Fire the COY) !!!


Kemet, thank you for responding to this topic. And for the most part I understand your point and agree on some. Didn’t realize his former agent was Leon Rose. So your response is an interesting thought. Not sure what the hell TTT is smoking. Whatever it is, I don’t want any of that. I do not understand majority of his posts and gave up trying for years.

But the COY mishandled Kemba and I said that earlier in the season. I agree Kemba should’ve been removed but not at that time. And that’s why he was put back in the lineup. COY should’ve waited until mid season or the trade deadline. What COY did was damage his trade value early in my opinion. Which tied the hands of the FO and made it difficult to trade him.

But I’m willing to see if COY has learned anything. See if this old dog learned any new tricks. I want to see if the FO has learned how to manage the COY as well, by reducing his options and forcing him to play certain players significant mins.

You give him vets to play and COY will play those vets over the yoots, it’s that simple. So let’s hope next season is different. And if we bring Frank back, ok fine with me. If we don’t, ok fine with me. I’m a fan of any knick player who simply comes in and does his job without complaining about it. Never understood the hate and extra discussion on a role player picked in the top 10.

Born in Brooklyn, Raised in Queens, Lives in Maryland. The future is bright, I'm a Knicks fan for life!
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5/23/2022  9:17 AM
HofstraBBall wrote:
Philc1 wrote:
foosballnick wrote:
Philc1 wrote:
Jmpasq wrote:
HofstraBBall wrote:
fwk00 wrote:
TripleThreat wrote:
Philc1 wrote:It would have been essentially a 1 year deal. Who cares if it’s $19 million. We’re locked into Randle the black hole for $117 million over 4 years


There was no reason for Ntilikina to resign with the Knicks.

Thibs just won Coach Of The Year. So that means he'd get at least two more seasons as the Knicks head coach. Thibs was not playing Ntilikina and it was evident he'd never actually choose to give him minutes. It's because Frank N is a net negative player on the court and he doesn't actually do his job. His job is to do more than just play wing defense. He's got to help out in other aspects of the game.

Ntilikina's agent would tell him the truth. Go somewhere else and RESTART your Bird Rights clock. That's extremely critical for any NBA player who just had their rights, including their Full Bird Rights, renounced. Go somewhere else where you can get a fresh start and more minutes. And play for a coach who will actually give you minutes.

Consider "giving minutes" versus "earning minutes"

Frank N DID NOT EARN minutes with the Knicks. So he stopped getting them. Play better and you start to get more minutes, that's not rocket science.

Why would the Knicks resign a guy they renounced? Had they locked in that qualifying offer, that's over 7 million in cap space soaked into a player that refuses to help the Knicks win games and Thibs just doesn't like him. That's a waste of a roster spot and cap space.

The 19 million was the "cap hold" which limits FA timeline flexibility. Not his projectible salary. What are you even talking about? You clearly have no idea what you are talking about.

Anyone here saying the Knicks should have resigned Ntilikina to a one year deal, that makes no sense at all. It makes no sense from the Knicks side, from Thibs viewpoint and from Ntilikina's long term career (what's left of it) best pathway.

I didn't want Ntilikina back on the Knicks for any money and Thibs was the reason.

Let me just dispel a myth you are weaving about "earning" minutes.

Players are assets just like chess pieces. Each team gets 17 to do with as they please. It's the FO's job to maximize the flexibility that the coach has to operate with.

Once you devolve into the Barney Ruble mentality of players "earning" minutes you diminish the quality of the job a coach is tasked with. A coach isn't there to pick favorites or grade athletes like a Phys. Ed teacher. They are there to win games with the assets they have. Some coaches need a chess board full of queens to win their game. In the NBA you play with the pieces you have. Maybe you hate the pieces but that's life. Don't pout, don't "teach a player a lesson", maximize the F'n assets and win. Full stop.

When Thibs' Barney Ruble stuff was being exposed by Atlanta it showed his incompetence in creatively adjusting the rotation and play calling to fit the situation. We didn't lose because Frankie and anybody else who could have helped didn't practice hard enough.

That's BS.

I'm happy for Frankie. Good on the Mavs.

Your happy for Franky averaging 2 minutes more than the hell you claim he was in here? The DNP in Jazz series? He played more than 12 minutes in only ONE game of the Sun's series?

Thing with Frank fans is they have NO statistical evidence as to why the Knicks should have kept Frank. Nor do they care about the cost. Just their dreamt up visions that have been in their heads since 2017. With the new one being that a player who never proved much knows more than an experienced COY.


Dude has 12 points in 88 minutes played in the playoffs. Everyone talks about Frank like he is the reason for the Mavs defense. Meanwhile he played 4 minutes in the first half in Game 7 where the Suns scored 27 points

And meanwhile Evan Fournier is relaxing on the golf course with his $80 million contract. Yay us


- Fournier's contract is 3 Years $54M with a 4th year TEAM OPTION @ $19M. He also has $6M in incentives which are unlikely to be achieved.

- Fournier is sitting on the golf course because the Knicks best player decided to stop taking his Zoloft this year and because the Knicks decided to play PG'less for a significant portion of the year.

- still a bad contract that prevents us from signing Brunson or Tyus Jones this offseason

- our best players are Mitch and RJ. Mitch is about to leave and RJ might be tempted to demand a trade next season way things are going

Why So negative PhilC??
It will be alright..... Hey we may even get Franky back Did you write this article?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/dailyknicks.com/2022/05/21/3-radar-free-agent-options-knicks-pursue/amp/


Maybe we could just send Fournier to Cuban and give Frankie Fournier's contract? I mean, it's evident that 12 minutes per game of stellar [insert interstellar animal vid?] defense is worth 80 million, right? And it's probably a fair bet Frankie would not be hitting any of Fournier's incentives, right?
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5/23/2022  10:58 AM
jrodmc wrote:
HofstraBBall wrote:
Philc1 wrote:
foosballnick wrote:
Philc1 wrote:
Jmpasq wrote:
HofstraBBall wrote:
fwk00 wrote:
TripleThreat wrote:
Philc1 wrote:It would have been essentially a 1 year deal. Who cares if it’s $19 million. We’re locked into Randle the black hole for $117 million over 4 years


There was no reason for Ntilikina to resign with the Knicks.

Thibs just won Coach Of The Year. So that means he'd get at least two more seasons as the Knicks head coach. Thibs was not playing Ntilikina and it was evident he'd never actually choose to give him minutes. It's because Frank N is a net negative player on the court and he doesn't actually do his job. His job is to do more than just play wing defense. He's got to help out in other aspects of the game.

Ntilikina's agent would tell him the truth. Go somewhere else and RESTART your Bird Rights clock. That's extremely critical for any NBA player who just had their rights, including their Full Bird Rights, renounced. Go somewhere else where you can get a fresh start and more minutes. And play for a coach who will actually give you minutes.

Consider "giving minutes" versus "earning minutes"

Frank N DID NOT EARN minutes with the Knicks. So he stopped getting them. Play better and you start to get more minutes, that's not rocket science.

Why would the Knicks resign a guy they renounced? Had they locked in that qualifying offer, that's over 7 million in cap space soaked into a player that refuses to help the Knicks win games and Thibs just doesn't like him. That's a waste of a roster spot and cap space.

The 19 million was the "cap hold" which limits FA timeline flexibility. Not his projectible salary. What are you even talking about? You clearly have no idea what you are talking about.

Anyone here saying the Knicks should have resigned Ntilikina to a one year deal, that makes no sense at all. It makes no sense from the Knicks side, from Thibs viewpoint and from Ntilikina's long term career (what's left of it) best pathway.

I didn't want Ntilikina back on the Knicks for any money and Thibs was the reason.

Let me just dispel a myth you are weaving about "earning" minutes.

Players are assets just like chess pieces. Each team gets 17 to do with as they please. It's the FO's job to maximize the flexibility that the coach has to operate with.

Once you devolve into the Barney Ruble mentality of players "earning" minutes you diminish the quality of the job a coach is tasked with. A coach isn't there to pick favorites or grade athletes like a Phys. Ed teacher. They are there to win games with the assets they have. Some coaches need a chess board full of queens to win their game. In the NBA you play with the pieces you have. Maybe you hate the pieces but that's life. Don't pout, don't "teach a player a lesson", maximize the F'n assets and win. Full stop.

When Thibs' Barney Ruble stuff was being exposed by Atlanta it showed his incompetence in creatively adjusting the rotation and play calling to fit the situation. We didn't lose because Frankie and anybody else who could have helped didn't practice hard enough.

That's BS.

I'm happy for Frankie. Good on the Mavs.

Your happy for Franky averaging 2 minutes more than the hell you claim he was in here? The DNP in Jazz series? He played more than 12 minutes in only ONE game of the Sun's series?

Thing with Frank fans is they have NO statistical evidence as to why the Knicks should have kept Frank. Nor do they care about the cost. Just their dreamt up visions that have been in their heads since 2017. With the new one being that a player who never proved much knows more than an experienced COY.


Dude has 12 points in 88 minutes played in the playoffs. Everyone talks about Frank like he is the reason for the Mavs defense. Meanwhile he played 4 minutes in the first half in Game 7 where the Suns scored 27 points

And meanwhile Evan Fournier is relaxing on the golf course with his $80 million contract. Yay us


- Fournier's contract is 3 Years $54M with a 4th year TEAM OPTION @ $19M. He also has $6M in incentives which are unlikely to be achieved.

- Fournier is sitting on the golf course because the Knicks best player decided to stop taking his Zoloft this year and because the Knicks decided to play PG'less for a significant portion of the year.

- still a bad contract that prevents us from signing Brunson or Tyus Jones this offseason

- our best players are Mitch and RJ. Mitch is about to leave and RJ might be tempted to demand a trade next season way things are going

Why So negative PhilC??
It will be alright..... Hey we may even get Franky back Did you write this article?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/dailyknicks.com/2022/05/21/3-radar-free-agent-options-knicks-pursue/amp/


Maybe we could just send Fournier to Cuban and give Frankie Fournier's contract? I mean, it's evident that 12 minutes per game of stellar [insert interstellar animal vid?] defense is worth 80 million, right? And it's probably a fair bet Frankie would not be hitting any of Fournier's incentives, right?

You're underestimating PhilC and the power of Franky. Frank fans would definitely give Frank EF's $20m per. They would probably throw in Randle if they could.

Funny part about the article is how it completely ignores that our COY was not on the Franky fan train.

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5/23/2022  12:36 PM
Those blogs are so inaccurate they are not worth the bandwidth to pull it down. They are slightly more accurate than what is written in the UK.
click bait is mostly what they are.
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5/23/2022  3:51 PM
Philc1 wrote:
foosballnick wrote:
Philc1 wrote:
Jmpasq wrote:
HofstraBBall wrote:
fwk00 wrote:
TripleThreat wrote:
Philc1 wrote:It would have been essentially a 1 year deal. Who cares if it’s $19 million. We’re locked into Randle the black hole for $117 million over 4 years


There was no reason for Ntilikina to resign with the Knicks.

Thibs just won Coach Of The Year. So that means he'd get at least two more seasons as the Knicks head coach. Thibs was not playing Ntilikina and it was evident he'd never actually choose to give him minutes. It's because Frank N is a net negative player on the court and he doesn't actually do his job. His job is to do more than just play wing defense. He's got to help out in other aspects of the game.

Ntilikina's agent would tell him the truth. Go somewhere else and RESTART your Bird Rights clock. That's extremely critical for any NBA player who just had their rights, including their Full Bird Rights, renounced. Go somewhere else where you can get a fresh start and more minutes. And play for a coach who will actually give you minutes.

Consider "giving minutes" versus "earning minutes"

Frank N DID NOT EARN minutes with the Knicks. So he stopped getting them. Play better and you start to get more minutes, that's not rocket science.

Why would the Knicks resign a guy they renounced? Had they locked in that qualifying offer, that's over 7 million in cap space soaked into a player that refuses to help the Knicks win games and Thibs just doesn't like him. That's a waste of a roster spot and cap space.

The 19 million was the "cap hold" which limits FA timeline flexibility. Not his projectible salary. What are you even talking about? You clearly have no idea what you are talking about.

Anyone here saying the Knicks should have resigned Ntilikina to a one year deal, that makes no sense at all. It makes no sense from the Knicks side, from Thibs viewpoint and from Ntilikina's long term career (what's left of it) best pathway.

I didn't want Ntilikina back on the Knicks for any money and Thibs was the reason.

Let me just dispel a myth you are weaving about "earning" minutes.

Players are assets just like chess pieces. Each team gets 17 to do with as they please. It's the FO's job to maximize the flexibility that the coach has to operate with.

Once you devolve into the Barney Ruble mentality of players "earning" minutes you diminish the quality of the job a coach is tasked with. A coach isn't there to pick favorites or grade athletes like a Phys. Ed teacher. They are there to win games with the assets they have. Some coaches need a chess board full of queens to win their game. In the NBA you play with the pieces you have. Maybe you hate the pieces but that's life. Don't pout, don't "teach a player a lesson", maximize the F'n assets and win. Full stop.

When Thibs' Barney Ruble stuff was being exposed by Atlanta it showed his incompetence in creatively adjusting the rotation and play calling to fit the situation. We didn't lose because Frankie and anybody else who could have helped didn't practice hard enough.

That's BS.

I'm happy for Frankie. Good on the Mavs.

Your happy for Franky averaging 2 minutes more than the hell you claim he was in here? The DNP in Jazz series? He played more than 12 minutes in only ONE game of the Sun's series?

Thing with Frank fans is they have NO statistical evidence as to why the Knicks should have kept Frank. Nor do they care about the cost. Just their dreamt up visions that have been in their heads since 2017. With the new one being that a player who never proved much knows more than an experienced COY.


Dude has 12 points in 88 minutes played in the playoffs. Everyone talks about Frank like he is the reason for the Mavs defense. Meanwhile he played 4 minutes in the first half in Game 7 where the Suns scored 27 points

And meanwhile Evan Fournier is relaxing on the golf course with his $80 million contract. Yay us


- Fournier's contract is 3 Years $54M with a 4th year TEAM OPTION @ $19M. He also has $6M in incentives which are unlikely to be achieved.

- Fournier is sitting on the golf course because the Knicks best player decided to stop taking his Zoloft this year and because the Knicks decided to play PG'less for a significant portion of the year.

- still a bad contract that prevents us from signing Brunson or Tyus Jones this offseason

- our best players are Mitch and RJ. Mitch is about to leave and RJ might be tempted to demand a trade next season way things are going

Do you even understand how the cap works wrt signing free agents?

Anyone up for trading Philc1 back to the Jets board and re-aquiring NYKMentality?

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5/23/2022  4:25 PM
foosballnick wrote:
Philc1 wrote:
foosballnick wrote:
Philc1 wrote:
Jmpasq wrote:
HofstraBBall wrote:
fwk00 wrote:
TripleThreat wrote:
Philc1 wrote:It would have been essentially a 1 year deal. Who cares if it’s $19 million. We’re locked into Randle the black hole for $117 million over 4 years


There was no reason for Ntilikina to resign with the Knicks.

Thibs just won Coach Of The Year. So that means he'd get at least two more seasons as the Knicks head coach. Thibs was not playing Ntilikina and it was evident he'd never actually choose to give him minutes. It's because Frank N is a net negative player on the court and he doesn't actually do his job. His job is to do more than just play wing defense. He's got to help out in other aspects of the game.

Ntilikina's agent would tell him the truth. Go somewhere else and RESTART your Bird Rights clock. That's extremely critical for any NBA player who just had their rights, including their Full Bird Rights, renounced. Go somewhere else where you can get a fresh start and more minutes. And play for a coach who will actually give you minutes.

Consider "giving minutes" versus "earning minutes"

Frank N DID NOT EARN minutes with the Knicks. So he stopped getting them. Play better and you start to get more minutes, that's not rocket science.

Why would the Knicks resign a guy they renounced? Had they locked in that qualifying offer, that's over 7 million in cap space soaked into a player that refuses to help the Knicks win games and Thibs just doesn't like him. That's a waste of a roster spot and cap space.

The 19 million was the "cap hold" which limits FA timeline flexibility. Not his projectible salary. What are you even talking about? You clearly have no idea what you are talking about.

Anyone here saying the Knicks should have resigned Ntilikina to a one year deal, that makes no sense at all. It makes no sense from the Knicks side, from Thibs viewpoint and from Ntilikina's long term career (what's left of it) best pathway.

I didn't want Ntilikina back on the Knicks for any money and Thibs was the reason.

Let me just dispel a myth you are weaving about "earning" minutes.

Players are assets just like chess pieces. Each team gets 17 to do with as they please. It's the FO's job to maximize the flexibility that the coach has to operate with.

Once you devolve into the Barney Ruble mentality of players "earning" minutes you diminish the quality of the job a coach is tasked with. A coach isn't there to pick favorites or grade athletes like a Phys. Ed teacher. They are there to win games with the assets they have. Some coaches need a chess board full of queens to win their game. In the NBA you play with the pieces you have. Maybe you hate the pieces but that's life. Don't pout, don't "teach a player a lesson", maximize the F'n assets and win. Full stop.

When Thibs' Barney Ruble stuff was being exposed by Atlanta it showed his incompetence in creatively adjusting the rotation and play calling to fit the situation. We didn't lose because Frankie and anybody else who could have helped didn't practice hard enough.

That's BS.

I'm happy for Frankie. Good on the Mavs.

Your happy for Franky averaging 2 minutes more than the hell you claim he was in here? The DNP in Jazz series? He played more than 12 minutes in only ONE game of the Sun's series?

Thing with Frank fans is they have NO statistical evidence as to why the Knicks should have kept Frank. Nor do they care about the cost. Just their dreamt up visions that have been in their heads since 2017. With the new one being that a player who never proved much knows more than an experienced COY.


Dude has 12 points in 88 minutes played in the playoffs. Everyone talks about Frank like he is the reason for the Mavs defense. Meanwhile he played 4 minutes in the first half in Game 7 where the Suns scored 27 points

And meanwhile Evan Fournier is relaxing on the golf course with his $80 million contract. Yay us


- Fournier's contract is 3 Years $54M with a 4th year TEAM OPTION @ $19M. He also has $6M in incentives which are unlikely to be achieved.

- Fournier is sitting on the golf course because the Knicks best player decided to stop taking his Zoloft this year and because the Knicks decided to play PG'less for a significant portion of the year.

- still a bad contract that prevents us from signing Brunson or Tyus Jones this offseason

- our best players are Mitch and RJ. Mitch is about to leave and RJ might be tempted to demand a trade next season way things are going

Do you even understand how the cap works wrt signing free agents?

Anyone up for trading Philc1 back to the Jets board and re-aquiring NYKMentality?

They do seem over time very related to each other.

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5/24/2022  11:03 PM
Triggered a lot of snowflakes here. Still trying to figure out the 4-D chess of the Randle and Fournier contracts from last year
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5/25/2022  10:52 AM
Philc1 wrote:Triggered a lot of snowflakes here. Still trying to figure out the 4-D chess of the Randle and Fournier contracts from last year

I guess snowflakes is what you call folks who get it, but scream that you don't? Your still trying to figure out Randle and EF contracts? How many links have we provided you?
How many descriptors do you need? SOme of it is subjective which you lean on with parroting narratives. The other is the hard facts.
Nobody is telling you Randle is without his warts, but the simpleton one liners you repeat do paint you as one not capable of more. That makes you either inept or obnoxious. You do have moments of clarity so Im really not sure.

Frank haters can suck it

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