newyorknewyork wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Allanfan20 wrote:Frank can be awesome starting tonight if he wants. His lack of aggresion is entirely in his mindset. If he finds it in him to change it, we’ll get the guy we all think we can see. If he doesn’t, then more of the same.

He takes lousy long range low percentage shots, why the hell you think he's shooting 34%, take the damn ball to the basket, Stop playing like a passive schmuck on wheels and grow a pair, you don't have to work at NASA to figure that out.

Or maybe his game and mind set is just suited for International play

While he does need to take it to the rack more. I don't believe its due to him being afraid of contact. Can't be afraid of contact yet fight as hard as he does through screens and fight as hard as he does when challenging forwards on the switch. Also not an "international" thing. (pretty ignorant statement, but what's new) Many international players have the art of getting the the FT line down.

To me it comes down lack of confidence in his ability to finish. VS Toronto he had a one on one swtich vs Siakam. Court was practically cleared out with perfect spacing to attempt something either by looking to beat Siakam off the dribble for a drive and kick or layup or jumper or something. Siakam sagged off him just a little preparing for him to drive at least as that would be what most guards in that situation would have done. And after 3 dribbles he passed the ball back out to the top of the key. No confidence in his ability to beat Siakam off the dribble and no confidence to take the 3 point shot with the space Siakam gave him.

Again this question is how does he go from willing to go after Klay Thompson who is a pretty damn good defender and utilize quality handle and footwork to get good shots off on him. To having no confidence in even his open looks let alone be willing to attack a one on one mathcup?

Franks getting over screen has nothing to do with him being a aggressive on defensive(you can barely breath on somebody without getting a whistle)..The dudes arms damn near touch the floor, and his long strides helps him cover ground quicker than most..

You sound very ignorant if you think getting to the FT line is why I stated his game could just be suited for where he learned how to play..You think AAU and International ball or the same...wake up dude an understand what im talking about

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That's Frank

knicks1248 wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Allanfan20 wrote:Frank can be awesome starting tonight if he wants. His lack of aggresion is entirely in his mindset. If he finds it in him to change it, we’ll get the guy we all think we can see. If he doesn’t, then more of the same.

He takes lousy long range low percentage shots, why the hell you think he's shooting 34%, take the damn ball to the basket, Stop playing like a passive schmuck on wheels and grow a pair, you don't have to work at NASA to figure that out.

Or maybe his game and mind set is just suited for International play

While he does need to take it to the rack more. I don't believe its due to him being afraid of contact. Can't be afraid of contact yet fight as hard as he does through screens and fight as hard as he does when challenging forwards on the switch. Also not an "international" thing. (pretty ignorant statement, but what's new) Many international players have the art of getting the the FT line down.

To me it comes down lack of confidence in his ability to finish. VS Toronto he had a one on one swtich vs Siakam. Court was practically cleared out with perfect spacing to attempt something either by looking to beat Siakam off the dribble for a drive and kick or layup or jumper or something. Siakam sagged off him just a little preparing for him to drive at least as that would be what most guards in that situation would have done. And after 3 dribbles he passed the ball back out to the top of the key. No confidence in his ability to beat Siakam off the dribble and no confidence to take the 3 point shot with the space Siakam gave him.

Again this question is how does he go from willing to go after Klay Thompson who is a pretty damn good defender and utilize quality handle and footwork to get good shots off on him. To having no confidence in even his open looks let alone be willing to attack a one on one mathcup?

Franks getting over screen has nothing to do with him being a aggressive on defensive(you can barely breath on somebody without getting a whistle)..The dudes arms damn near touch the floor, and his long strides helps him cover ground quicker than most..

You sound very ignorant if you think getting to the FT line is why I stated his game could just be suited for where he learned how to play..You think AAU and International ball or the same...wake up dude an understand what im talking about

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https://twitter.com/jerrymeyer247/status/551848222306877443

That's Frank

Dude your hate for the kid shines through. And don't respond with some horse**** about "I don't hate Frank....".
You don't really care about good basketball you care about scoring. Frank makes the team better when he is on the floor. But you think people should be judged based on whether they can take it to the hoop or not. There's a few of you out the that have harped on this from day one, you guys hate him because Phil picked him over your precious Dennis Smith. And from that it has evolved into this level of loathing.

Guess what? Frank's gonna be around for a long time, get used to it.

meloshouldgo wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Allanfan20 wrote:Frank can be awesome starting tonight if he wants. His lack of aggresion is entirely in his mindset. If he finds it in him to change it, we’ll get the guy we all think we can see. If he doesn’t, then more of the same.

He takes lousy long range low percentage shots, why the hell you think he's shooting 34%, take the damn ball to the basket, Stop playing like a passive schmuck on wheels and grow a pair, you don't have to work at NASA to figure that out.

Or maybe his game and mind set is just suited for International play

While he does need to take it to the rack more. I don't believe its due to him being afraid of contact. Can't be afraid of contact yet fight as hard as he does through screens and fight as hard as he does when challenging forwards on the switch. Also not an "international" thing. (pretty ignorant statement, but what's new) Many international players have the art of getting the the FT line down.

To me it comes down lack of confidence in his ability to finish. VS Toronto he had a one on one swtich vs Siakam. Court was practically cleared out with perfect spacing to attempt something either by looking to beat Siakam off the dribble for a drive and kick or layup or jumper or something. Siakam sagged off him just a little preparing for him to drive at least as that would be what most guards in that situation would have done. And after 3 dribbles he passed the ball back out to the top of the key. No confidence in his ability to beat Siakam off the dribble and no confidence to take the 3 point shot with the space Siakam gave him.

Again this question is how does he go from willing to go after Klay Thompson who is a pretty damn good defender and utilize quality handle and footwork to get good shots off on him. To having no confidence in even his open looks let alone be willing to attack a one on one mathcup?

Franks getting over screen has nothing to do with him being a aggressive on defensive(you can barely breath on somebody without getting a whistle)..The dudes arms damn near touch the floor, and his long strides helps him cover ground quicker than most..

You sound very ignorant if you think getting to the FT line is why I stated his game could just be suited for where he learned how to play..You think AAU and International ball or the same...wake up dude an understand what im talking about

Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL:

https://twitter.com/jerrymeyer247/status/551848222306877443

That's Frank

Dude your hate for the kid shines through. And don't respond with some horse**** about "I don't hate Frank....".
You don't really care about good basketball you care about scoring. Frank makes the team better when he is on the floor. But you think people should be judged based on whether they can take it to the hoop or not. There's a few of you out the that have harped on this from day one, you guys hate him because Phil picked him over your precious Dennis Smith. And from that it has evolved into this level of loathing.

Guess what? Frank's gonna be around for a long time, get used to it.

awe1028 wrote:

Nalod wrote:NBK does a good breakdown.
Coaches will break down the game. No doubt Frank needs to drop some shots but the shyt show that was the game was done without Frank.
Team generally does not break down into blow out with him on the floor.

For a 20 year old when a fan defines frank with the words "He will always".....It's lost on me. Just like I can't say "Frank will....."
Its a process. Im sure the coaches been breaking down film and Fiz sees the good, bad and Ugly with Frank and everyone else.
Much more than any other fan. Kudo's to NBK for doing this. As a fan its informative. As a poster it makes Rainman1248 look even more ignorant. Not that he needs help.

This. The narrative that Frank has not improved his utter nonsense. Frank has continued to play well in the areas he has already proven to be very good defense PG duties running offense etc. He has also improved in the area he was most criticized - being more aggressive.

The problem is that Frank has shot historically badly and that poor shooting completely overshadows the other positives that he brings.

Its been 9 games since Fizdale installed Frank as the starting PG. He has three games in which he has generally thought to have played well and 6 games (6 of the last 7 games) he has played badly.
In the 3 "good games" he averaged 16 ppg on 47% from the field (16/34) and 50% (8/16) from 3. In the six bad games he shot less than 25% from the field (9/37) and 1/19 from 3 - that is 5.3 % !!!

These numbers as mentioned above show that when he has shot just reasonably the perception is that he has played well while the the awful shooting skews the perception of him to the negative. Frank needs to improve his shooting no question but this idea that he has not improved is just nonsense.

Wait...so based on this post where has Frank improved again? Defense is about the same, shooting is worse per this thread, there's still no playmaking...not saying you are wrong but just trying to understand where you are coming from.

StarksEwing1 wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Allanfan20 wrote:Frank can be awesome starting tonight if he wants. His lack of aggresion is entirely in his mindset. If he finds it in him to change it, we’ll get the guy we all think we can see. If he doesn’t, then more of the same.

He takes lousy long range low percentage shots, why the hell you think he's shooting 34%, take the damn ball to the basket, Stop playing like a passive schmuck on wheels and grow a pair, you don't have to work at NASA to figure that out.

Or maybe his game and mind set is just suited for International play

While he does need to take it to the rack more. I don't believe its due to him being afraid of contact. Can't be afraid of contact yet fight as hard as he does through screens and fight as hard as he does when challenging forwards on the switch. Also not an "international" thing. (pretty ignorant statement, but what's new) Many international players have the art of getting the the FT line down.

To me it comes down lack of confidence in his ability to finish. VS Toronto he had a one on one swtich vs Siakam. Court was practically cleared out with perfect spacing to attempt something either by looking to beat Siakam off the dribble for a drive and kick or layup or jumper or something. Siakam sagged off him just a little preparing for him to drive at least as that would be what most guards in that situation would have done. And after 3 dribbles he passed the ball back out to the top of the key. No confidence in his ability to beat Siakam off the dribble and no confidence to take the 3 point shot with the space Siakam gave him.

Again this question is how does he go from willing to go after Klay Thompson who is a pretty damn good defender and utilize quality handle and footwork to get good shots off on him. To having no confidence in even his open looks let alone be willing to attack a one on one mathcup?

Franks getting over screen has nothing to do with him being a aggressive on defensive(you can barely breath on somebody without getting a whistle)..The dudes arms damn near touch the floor, and his long strides helps him cover ground quicker than most..

You sound very ignorant if you think getting to the FT line is why I stated his game could just be suited for where he learned how to play..You think AAU and International ball or the same...wake up dude an understand what im talking about

Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL:

https://twitter.com/jerrymeyer247/status/551848222306877443

That's Frank

Dude your hate for the kid shines through. And don't respond with some horse**** about "I don't hate Frank....".
You don't really care about good basketball you care about scoring. Frank makes the team better when he is on the floor. But you think people should be judged based on whether they can take it to the hoop or not. There's a few of you out the that have harped on this from day one, you guys hate him because Phil picked him over your precious Dennis Smith. And from that it has evolved into this level of loathing.

Guess what? Frank's gonna be around for a long time, get used to it.

hit the nail on the head. Also he has basically admitted defense isnt really important so that gives you an idea how much he knows lol

knicks1248 wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Allanfan20 wrote:Frank can be awesome starting tonight if he wants. His lack of aggresion is entirely in his mindset. If he finds it in him to change it, we’ll get the guy we all think we can see. If he doesn’t, then more of the same.

He takes lousy long range low percentage shots, why the hell you think he's shooting 34%, take the damn ball to the basket, Stop playing like a passive schmuck on wheels and grow a pair, you don't have to work at NASA to figure that out.

Or maybe his game and mind set is just suited for International play

While he does need to take it to the rack more. I don't believe its due to him being afraid of contact. Can't be afraid of contact yet fight as hard as he does through screens and fight as hard as he does when challenging forwards on the switch. Also not an "international" thing. (pretty ignorant statement, but what's new) Many international players have the art of getting the the FT line down.

To me it comes down lack of confidence in his ability to finish. VS Toronto he had a one on one swtich vs Siakam. Court was practically cleared out with perfect spacing to attempt something either by looking to beat Siakam off the dribble for a drive and kick or layup or jumper or something. Siakam sagged off him just a little preparing for him to drive at least as that would be what most guards in that situation would have done. And after 3 dribbles he passed the ball back out to the top of the key. No confidence in his ability to beat Siakam off the dribble and no confidence to take the 3 point shot with the space Siakam gave him.

Again this question is how does he go from willing to go after Klay Thompson who is a pretty damn good defender and utilize quality handle and footwork to get good shots off on him. To having no confidence in even his open looks let alone be willing to attack a one on one mathcup?

Franks getting over screen has nothing to do with him being a aggressive on defensive(you can barely breath on somebody without getting a whistle)..The dudes arms damn near touch the floor, and his long strides helps him cover ground quicker than most..

You sound very ignorant if you think getting to the FT line is why I stated his game could just be suited for where he learned how to play..You think AAU and International ball or the same...wake up dude an understand what im talking about

Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL:

https://twitter.com/jerrymeyer247/status/551848222306877443

That's Frank

Dude your hate for the kid shines through. And don't respond with some horse**** about "I don't hate Frank....".
You don't really care about good basketball you care about scoring. Frank makes the team better when he is on the floor. But you think people should be judged based on whether they can take it to the hoop or not. There's a few of you out the that have harped on this from day one, you guys hate him because Phil picked him over your precious Dennis Smith. And from that it has evolved into this level of loathing.

Guess what? Frank's gonna be around for a long time, get used to it.

hit the nail on the head. Also he has basically admitted defense isnt really important so that gives you an idea how much he knows lol

Yeah, because we all know Knox with his long arms and strides is already a natural fighting through screens. Technique and aggressiveness play no part whatsoever lol I can't say 1248 doesn't bring up good points from time to time, but he has Sith level hate for Frank.

As long as frank is in the rotation playing like that, we will continue to get blown out, and that's not good for him, The team, the coach and the FO, This goes for every player on the the whole team

If you for one minute believe that players get better by watching other players struggle, You're insane.

When you continue to lose, you start playing selfish (which we are seeing) you stop playing with effort (which we are seeing) and eventually you don't even give a fck, it becomes a habit, and the development is out the damn window like we saw under JH.

You take 1 struggling player coming from a losing environment like a (THJ) and you put him around a winning team like the (hawks) and watch his development progress increase significantly.

But you take 10 struggling players and put them together, WTF you think is going to happen

This is what you got out of watching games??? We are getting blown out because Frank is in the rotation?
Every fukking player on the team sucks ass and you have decided we are getting blown out because of the one guy playing defense at a high level? Go root for Dallas.

meloshouldgo wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Allanfan20 wrote:Frank can be awesome starting tonight if he wants. His lack of aggresion is entirely in his mindset. If he finds it in him to change it, we’ll get the guy we all think we can see. If he doesn’t, then more of the same.

He takes lousy long range low percentage shots, why the hell you think he's shooting 34%, take the damn ball to the basket, Stop playing like a passive schmuck on wheels and grow a pair, you don't have to work at NASA to figure that out.

Or maybe his game and mind set is just suited for International play

While he does need to take it to the rack more. I don't believe its due to him being afraid of contact. Can't be afraid of contact yet fight as hard as he does through screens and fight as hard as he does when challenging forwards on the switch. Also not an "international" thing. (pretty ignorant statement, but what's new) Many international players have the art of getting the the FT line down.

To me it comes down lack of confidence in his ability to finish. VS Toronto he had a one on one swtich vs Siakam. Court was practically cleared out with perfect spacing to attempt something either by looking to beat Siakam off the dribble for a drive and kick or layup or jumper or something. Siakam sagged off him just a little preparing for him to drive at least as that would be what most guards in that situation would have done. And after 3 dribbles he passed the ball back out to the top of the key. No confidence in his ability to beat Siakam off the dribble and no confidence to take the 3 point shot with the space Siakam gave him.

Again this question is how does he go from willing to go after Klay Thompson who is a pretty damn good defender and utilize quality handle and footwork to get good shots off on him. To having no confidence in even his open looks let alone be willing to attack a one on one mathcup?

Franks getting over screen has nothing to do with him being a aggressive on defensive(you can barely breath on somebody without getting a whistle)..The dudes arms damn near touch the floor, and his long strides helps him cover ground quicker than most..

You sound very ignorant if you think getting to the FT line is why I stated his game could just be suited for where he learned how to play..You think AAU and International ball or the same...wake up dude an understand what im talking about

Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL:

https://twitter.com/jerrymeyer247/status/551848222306877443

That's Frank

Dude your hate for the kid shines through. And don't respond with some horse**** about "I don't hate Frank....".
You don't really care about good basketball you care about scoring. Frank makes the team better when he is on the floor. But you think people should be judged based on whether they can take it to the hoop or not. There's a few of you out the that have harped on this from day one, you guys hate him because Phil picked him over your precious Dennis Smith. And from that it has evolved into this level of loathing.

Guess what? Frank's gonna be around for a long time, get used to it.

hit the nail on the head. Also he has basically admitted defense isnt really important so that gives you an idea how much he knows lol

Yeah, because we all know Knox with his long arms and strides is already a natural fighting through screens. Technique and aggressiveness play no part whatsoever lol I can't say 1248 doesn't bring up good points from time to time, but he has Sith level hate for Frank.

As long as frank is in the rotation playing like that, we will continue to get blown out, and that's not good for him, The team, the coach and the FO, This goes for every player on the the whole team

If you for one minute believe that players get better by watching other players struggle, You're insane.

When you continue to lose, you start playing selfish (which we are seeing) you stop playing with effort (which we are seeing) and eventually you don't even give a fck, it becomes a habit, and the development is out the damn window like we saw under JH.

You take 1 struggling player coming from a losing environment like a (THJ) and you put him around a winning team like the (hawks) and watch his development progress increase significantly.

But you take 10 struggling players and put them together, WTF you think is going to happen

This is what you got out of watching games??? We are getting blown out because Frank is in the rotation?
Every fukking player on the team sucks ass and you have decided we are getting blown out because of the one guy playing defense at a high level? Go root for Dallas.

Thats exactly what im saying, you got struggling players learning from other struggling players.