BigDaddyG wrote:

Uptown wrote:

Marv wrote:

Uptown wrote:

Marv wrote:i know people get tired of the chauncey reference but man, he languished in the league for 7 years as a meh player. 7 years! and 5 teams! then he took off and was all-world for years. i think detroit was glad they had a player like that for years of his prime.

Billups was a different prospect than Frank. Billup was one of if not the best HS BB player in the state of Colorado. Billups was a way more advanced scorer in HS and College than Frank was at the same age. He averaged 18pts per in college over the course of 55 games...

all true. but frank did average 20 ppg in his final euro championships which is very high level ball . . .

In what year? I pulled some stats and it came up as Euro 2016 championships....if that's the one you are talking about, he averaged 15 pts per over 6 games.

http://www.draftexpress.com/article/frank-ntilikina-u18-european-championship-scouting-analysis-5821/

French guard and potential lottery pick Frank Ntilikina turned in an impressive six-game performance at the 2016 FIBA U18 European Championships in December, leading France to a title despite battling an illness early on in the tournament. After scoring only 7.3 points per game through the first three contests, Ntilikina finished the tournament averaging 22.7 points, 6.7 assists, 3.2 steals, 1.7 blocks and 5.0 turnovers per 40 minutes on 42.4% from two-point range and 58.6% from three-point range

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Thanks for finding it...the potential to hunt for his shot is there. However, Thus far, I haven't seen any indication that Frank can come anywhere near putting up similar numbers in the NBA. Its more mental than physical at this point. He shot ain't broke and he can get to the basket, but he still hesitates at times and other times he doesn't even look at the basket. Hopefully, Fizdale can instill some confidence in him. Knox, Trier and Mario for damn sure have no problems jacking them up.

the NY Post wrote:David Fizdale’s decision to start Frank Ntilikina at the swing position paid off, and the coach didn’t care an iota about Ntilikina’s modest five-point, one-assist, 2-of-7 showing. Ntilikina did what he did best: defend. He notched three steals, five rebounds, a block and one big deflection that created a fast-break hoop for Tim Hardaway Jr. in 33 minutes.

“I thought he played a great game,” Fizdale said. “I know you don’t see it on the stat sheet, but he really defended. It stood out. You can’t say you didn’t see it. He got after it. He made it tough — every catch, every entry pass, every shot was contested, every rotation was right. He’s an elite defender.”

It should be noted he scored the first bucket of the season — a 3-pointer after the Knicks missed their first nine shots. Fizdale came to town with a defensive reputation from the Pat Riley school, and the Knicks were active with ball pressure and created 12 steals. Fizdale loved the “effort level and communication” and commended Trey Burke and Ron Baker for “setting the tone, picking up the ball [early] every possession.”

Panos wrote:

fishmike wrote:

the NY Post wrote:David Fizdale's decision to start Frank Ntilikina at the swing position paid off, and the coach didn't care an iota about Ntilikina;s modest five-point, one-assist, 2-of-7 showing. Ntilikina did what he did best: defend. He notched three steals, five rebounds, a block and one big deflection that created a fast-break hoop for Tim Hardaway Jr. in 33 minutes.

"I thought he played a great game," Fizdale said. "I know you don't see it on the stat sheet, but he really defended. It stood out. You can't say you didn't see it. He got after it. He made it tough " every catch, every entry pass, every shot was contested, every rotation was right. He's an elite defender."

It should be noted he scored the first bucket of the season " a 3-pointer after the Knicks missed their first nine shots. Fizdale came to town with a defensive reputation from the Pat Riley school, and the Knicks were active with ball pressure and created 12 steals. Fizdale loved the "effort level and communication" and commended Trey Burke and Ron Baker for "setting the tone, picking up the ball [early] every possession.";

He still had the worst +/- on the team. The team won by 20 pts and he was -2. That stat takes defense and ball moving into account, if I'm not mistaken.

Panos wrote:

fishmike wrote:

the NY Post wrote:David Fizdale's decision to start Frank Ntilikina at the swing position paid off, and the coach didn't care an iota about Ntilikina;s modest five-point, one-assist, 2-of-7 showing. Ntilikina did what he did best: defend. He notched three steals, five rebounds, a block and one big deflection that created a fast-break hoop for Tim Hardaway Jr. in 33 minutes.

"I thought he played a great game," Fizdale said. "I know you don't see it on the stat sheet, but he really defended. It stood out. You can't say you didn't see it. He got after it. He made it tough " every catch, every entry pass, every shot was contested, every rotation was right. He's an elite defender."

It should be noted he scored the first bucket of the season " a 3-pointer after the Knicks missed their first nine shots. Fizdale came to town with a defensive reputation from the Pat Riley school, and the Knicks were active with ball pressure and created 12 steals. Fizdale loved the "effort level and communication" and commended Trey Burke and Ron Baker for "setting the tone, picking up the ball [early] every possession.";

He still had the worst +/- on the team. The team won by 20 pts and he was -2. That stat takes defense and ball moving into account, if I'm not mistaken.

Frank has a whole season of data showing that of all the positive lineups the Knicks put out. He was involved in like 85% of them. And we are talking about a ton of lineup combinations.

His plus/minus hasnt been much of an issue so far in his career. It's his ability to consistently produce box stats.

newyorknewyork wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

Panos wrote:

fishmike wrote:

the NY Post wrote:David Fizdale's decision to start Frank Ntilikina at the swing position paid off, and the coach didn't care an iota about Ntilikina;s modest five-point, one-assist, 2-of-7 showing. Ntilikina did what he did best: defend. He notched three steals, five rebounds, a block and one big deflection that created a fast-break hoop for Tim Hardaway Jr. in 33 minutes.

"I thought he played a great game," Fizdale said. "I know you don't see it on the stat sheet, but he really defended. It stood out. You can't say you didn't see it. He got after it. He made it tough " every catch, every entry pass, every shot was contested, every rotation was right. He's an elite defender."

It should be noted he scored the first bucket of the season " a 3-pointer after the Knicks missed their first nine shots. Fizdale came to town with a defensive reputation from the Pat Riley school, and the Knicks were active with ball pressure and created 12 steals. Fizdale loved the "effort level and communication" and commended Trey Burke and Ron Baker for "setting the tone, picking up the ball [early] every possession.";

He still had the worst +/- on the team. The team won by 20 pts and he was -2. That stat takes defense and ball moving into account, if I'm not mistaken.

I noticed that as well.

34 Minutes with Frank on the Floor Knicks -2
14 minutes Frank off the Floor Knicks +21

And I will wait for the spin

I mean your replying to a direct quote from the head coach lol.

But I will play. Did you watch the game? If you did you will notice the Knicks missed their first 8 shots. Frank was on the floor for that. Indeed it was Frank's 3 that started the offense. Then when the 2nd unit came in they, like the starters also struggled. Frank was the only starter on the floor, but he was there for the two stretches during the game the Knicks struggled. Its not that hard to figure out.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/201810170NYK.html

Frank did have the 2nd highest defensive rating behind Mario. Eye test confirms as both guys were excellent on D and gave up very little.

fishmike wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

Panos wrote:

fishmike wrote:

the NY Post wrote:David Fizdale's decision to start Frank Ntilikina at the swing position paid off, and the coach didn't care an iota about Ntilikina;s modest five-point, one-assist, 2-of-7 showing. Ntilikina did what he did best: defend. He notched three steals, five rebounds, a block and one big deflection that created a fast-break hoop for Tim Hardaway Jr. in 33 minutes.

"I thought he played a great game," Fizdale said. "I know you don't see it on the stat sheet, but he really defended. It stood out. You can't say you didn't see it. He got after it. He made it tough " every catch, every entry pass, every shot was contested, every rotation was right. He's an elite defender."

It should be noted he scored the first bucket of the season " a 3-pointer after the Knicks missed their first nine shots. Fizdale came to town with a defensive reputation from the Pat Riley school, and the Knicks were active with ball pressure and created 12 steals. Fizdale loved the "effort level and communication" and commended Trey Burke and Ron Baker for "setting the tone, picking up the ball [early] every possession.";

He still had the worst +/- on the team. The team won by 20 pts and he was -2. That stat takes defense and ball moving into account, if I'm not mistaken.

I noticed that as well.

34 Minutes with Frank on the Floor Knicks -2
14 minutes Frank off the Floor Knicks +21

And I will wait for the spin

I mean your replying to a direct quote from the head coach lol.

I know... "the spin" comes from Fizdale.

But I will play. Did you watch the game? If you did you will notice the Knicks missed their first 8 shots. Frank was on the floor for that. Indeed it was Frank's 3 that started the offense. Then when the 2nd unit came in they, like the starters also struggled. Frank was the only starter on the floor, but he was there for the two stretches during the game the Knicks struggled. Its not that hard to figure out.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/201810170NYK.html

Frank did have the 2nd highest defensive rating behind Mario. Eye test confirms as both guys were excellent on D and gave up very little.

fishmike wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

Panos wrote:

fishmike wrote:

the NY Post wrote:David Fizdale's decision to start Frank Ntilikina at the swing position paid off, and the coach didn't care an iota about Ntilikina;s modest five-point, one-assist, 2-of-7 showing. Ntilikina did what he did best: defend. He notched three steals, five rebounds, a block and one big deflection that created a fast-break hoop for Tim Hardaway Jr. in 33 minutes.

"I thought he played a great game," Fizdale said. "I know you don't see it on the stat sheet, but he really defended. It stood out. You can't say you didn't see it. He got after it. He made it tough " every catch, every entry pass, every shot was contested, every rotation was right. He's an elite defender."

It should be noted he scored the first bucket of the season " a 3-pointer after the Knicks missed their first nine shots. Fizdale came to town with a defensive reputation from the Pat Riley school, and the Knicks were active with ball pressure and created 12 steals. Fizdale loved the "effort level and communication" and commended Trey Burke and Ron Baker for "setting the tone, picking up the ball [early] every possession.";

He still had the worst +/- on the team. The team won by 20 pts and he was -2. That stat takes defense and ball moving into account, if I'm not mistaken.

I noticed that as well.

34 Minutes with Frank on the Floor Knicks -2
14 minutes Frank off the Floor Knicks +21

And I will wait for the spin

I mean your replying to a direct quote from the head coach lol.

I know... "the spin" comes from Fizdale.

But I will play. Did you watch the game? If you did you will notice the Knicks missed their first 8 shots. Frank was on the floor for that. Indeed it was Frank's 3 that started the offense. Then when the 2nd unit came in they, like the starters also struggled. Frank was the only starter on the floor, but he was there for the two stretches during the game the Knicks struggled. Its not that hard to figure out.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/201810170NYK.html

Frank did have the 2nd highest defensive rating behind Mario. Eye test confirms as both guys were excellent on D and gave up very little.

Look I don't have a problem with Frank he will be an above average NBA player I just enjoy the mental gymnastics that are continually used to prove that he is better than he is. The goalposts have been really moved since drafting him. I had posters telling me he was better than Jason Kidd, than when it was clear he wasn't a PG, he was a SF like Kawahii, now he is compared to Aaron Mckie.

Jmpasq wrote:

fishmike wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

Panos wrote:

fishmike wrote:

the NY Post wrote:David Fizdale's decision to start Frank Ntilikina at the swing position paid off, and the coach didn't care an iota about Ntilikina;s modest five-point, one-assist, 2-of-7 showing. Ntilikina did what he did best: defend. He notched three steals, five rebounds, a block and one big deflection that created a fast-break hoop for Tim Hardaway Jr. in 33 minutes.

"I thought he played a great game," Fizdale said. "I know you don't see it on the stat sheet, but he really defended. It stood out. You can't say you didn't see it. He got after it. He made it tough " every catch, every entry pass, every shot was contested, every rotation was right. He's an elite defender."

It should be noted he scored the first bucket of the season " a 3-pointer after the Knicks missed their first nine shots. Fizdale came to town with a defensive reputation from the Pat Riley school, and the Knicks were active with ball pressure and created 12 steals. Fizdale loved the "effort level and communication" and commended Trey Burke and Ron Baker for "setting the tone, picking up the ball [early] every possession.";

He still had the worst +/- on the team. The team won by 20 pts and he was -2. That stat takes defense and ball moving into account, if I'm not mistaken.

I noticed that as well.

34 Minutes with Frank on the Floor Knicks -2
14 minutes Frank off the Floor Knicks +21

And I will wait for the spin

I mean your replying to a direct quote from the head coach lol.

I know... "the spin" comes from Fizdale.

But I will play. Did you watch the game? If you did you will notice the Knicks missed their first 8 shots. Frank was on the floor for that. Indeed it was Frank's 3 that started the offense. Then when the 2nd unit came in they, like the starters also struggled. Frank was the only starter on the floor, but he was there for the two stretches during the game the Knicks struggled. Its not that hard to figure out.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/201810170NYK.html

Frank did have the 2nd highest defensive rating behind Mario. Eye test confirms as both guys were excellent on D and gave up very little.

Look I don't have a problem with Frank he will be an above average NBA player I just enjoy the mental gymnastics that are continually used to prove that he is better than he is. The goalposts have been really moved since drafting him. I had posters telling me he was better than Jason Kidd, than when it was clear he wasn't a PG, he was a SF like Kawahii, now he is compared to Aaron Mckie.

just tell those people, “u’re idiots. it’s clear he’s the next chauncey billups.”

Jmpasq wrote:

fishmike wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

Panos wrote:

fishmike wrote:

the NY Post wrote:David Fizdale's decision to start Frank Ntilikina at the swing position paid off, and the coach didn't care an iota about Ntilikina;s modest five-point, one-assist, 2-of-7 showing. Ntilikina did what he did best: defend. He notched three steals, five rebounds, a block and one big deflection that created a fast-break hoop for Tim Hardaway Jr. in 33 minutes.

"I thought he played a great game," Fizdale said. "I know you don't see it on the stat sheet, but he really defended. It stood out. You can't say you didn't see it. He got after it. He made it tough " every catch, every entry pass, every shot was contested, every rotation was right. He's an elite defender."

It should be noted he scored the first bucket of the season " a 3-pointer after the Knicks missed their first nine shots. Fizdale came to town with a defensive reputation from the Pat Riley school, and the Knicks were active with ball pressure and created 12 steals. Fizdale loved the "effort level and communication" and commended Trey Burke and Ron Baker for "setting the tone, picking up the ball [early] every possession.";

He still had the worst +/- on the team. The team won by 20 pts and he was -2. That stat takes defense and ball moving into account, if I'm not mistaken.

I noticed that as well.

34 Minutes with Frank on the Floor Knicks -2
14 minutes Frank off the Floor Knicks +21

And I will wait for the spin

I mean your replying to a direct quote from the head coach lol.

I know... "the spin" comes from Fizdale.

But I will play. Did you watch the game? If you did you will notice the Knicks missed their first 8 shots. Frank was on the floor for that. Indeed it was Frank's 3 that started the offense. Then when the 2nd unit came in they, like the starters also struggled. Frank was the only starter on the floor, but he was there for the two stretches during the game the Knicks struggled. Its not that hard to figure out.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/201810170NYK.html

Frank did have the 2nd highest defensive rating behind Mario. Eye test confirms as both guys were excellent on D and gave up very little.

Look I don't have a problem with Frank he will be an above average NBA player I just enjoy the mental gymnastics that are continually used to prove that he is better than he is. The goalposts have been really moved since drafting him. I had posters telling me he was better than Jason Kidd, than when it was clear he wasn't a PG, he was a SF like Kawahii, now he is compared to Aaron Mckie.

Can't take anyone serious when they say he was better than Jason Kidd. That's not worth commenting about. He has also been called a Kwahi and Aron Mckie type player since the draft. Those aren't new comparisons, and its not based purely off of stats.

Frank has shown good defensive ability, flashes on offense and he is still one of the youngest players in the league. Just let him develop, when he is in the last year of his rookie contract then we can start to decide what he is.