TheGame wrote:They need to free Frank. I get that last year he was not ready and Jeff was trying to save his job. But this year. There is no reason anyone other that Frank should be starting at pg. Mudiay is garbage. The guy is not good enough defensively or offensively to be a starter. Burke is solid but he gets shot-happy and he is going to get abused on defense. Not saying he does not play hard but there is only so much you can do at his height on defense. Frank is clearly the best defender of the three, and he can run the pick and roll. The Knicks need to just give this guy a full season as the man to see what he can really do as a starter. Frank was not ready last year but I think he will be surprisely good as a starter this year if they allow him to run the point. His preseason numbers translate to about 13 pts per game with solid percentages. As a starter, Frank likely would average 14-16 pts, 7-8 ast, 5 rebounds, 2 steals, and 1 block. That is solid production.

Wet dreaming

BigDaddyG wrote:

Nalod wrote:

TheGame wrote:They need to free Frank. I get that last year he was not ready and Jeff was trying to save his job. But this year. There is no reason anyone other that Frank should be starting at pg. Mudiay is garbage. The guy is not good enough defensively or offensively to be a starter. Burke is solid but he gets shot-happy and he is going to get abused on defense. Not saying he does not play hard but there is only so much you can do at his height on defense. Frank is clearly the best defender of the three, and he can run the pick and roll. The Knicks need to just give this guy a full season as the man to see what he can really do as a starter. Frank was not ready last year but I think he will be surprisely good as a starter this year if they allow him to run the point. His preseason numbers translate to about 13 pts per game with solid percentages. As a starter, Frank likely would average 14-16 pts, 7-8 ast, 5 rebounds, 2 steals, and 1 block. That is solid production.

Wet dreaming

Wet dreaming? That's straight up Pornhub material.

knicks1248 wrote:

TheGame wrote:They need to free Frank. I get that last year he was not ready and Jeff was trying to save his job. But this year. There is no reason anyone other that Frank should be starting at pg. Mudiay is garbage. The guy is not good enough defensively or offensively to be a starter. Burke is solid but he gets shot-happy and he is going to get abused on defense. Not saying he does not play hard but there is only so much you can do at his height on defense. Frank is clearly the best defender of the three, and he can run the pick and roll. The Knicks need to just give this guy a full season as the man to see what he can really do as a starter. Frank was not ready last year but I think he will be surprisely good as a starter this year if they allow him to run the point. His preseason numbers translate to about 13 pts per game with solid percentages. As a starter, Frank likely would average 14-16 pts, 7-8 ast, 5 rebounds, 2 steals, and 1 block. That is solid production.

very solid

But all 3 have major flaws and your just going to have to use these guys as you see fit...

If Frank averaged 13-14 pts 7-8 ast 5 rebs 2stls 1 blk per game as a 20 yr old 2nd yr player. It would mean he was budding star

But he won't average that.

newyorknewyork wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

TheGame wrote:They need to free Frank. I get that last year he was not ready and Jeff was trying to save his job. But this year. There is no reason anyone other that Frank should be starting at pg. Mudiay is garbage. The guy is not good enough defensively or offensively to be a starter. Burke is solid but he gets shot-happy and he is going to get abused on defense. Not saying he does not play hard but there is only so much you can do at his height on defense. Frank is clearly the best defender of the three, and he can run the pick and roll. The Knicks need to just give this guy a full season as the man to see what he can really do as a starter. Frank was not ready last year but I think he will be surprisely good as a starter this year if they allow him to run the point. His preseason numbers translate to about 13 pts per game with solid percentages. As a starter, Frank likely would average 14-16 pts, 7-8 ast, 5 rebounds, 2 steals, and 1 block. That is solid production.

very solid

But all 3 have major flaws and your just going to have to use these guys as you see fit...

If Frank averaged 13-14 pts 7-8 ast 5 rebs 2stls 1 blk per game as a 20 yr old 2nd yr player. It would mean he was budding star

But he won't average that.

Oh really. He won't average that you say. In four games in preseason if you turned his 17 minutss a game into 34 minutes, he would be averaging 13 pts, 4 rebounds, 3 assists, 2 steals, and 1 block a game on 44% shooting for the field and 50% shooting from three. That was with him playing pg only a small fraction of the time on the court. If he is the full-time pg, the assists would go up into the 7-8 range. The kid is nearly there now, the Knicks just need to unleash him.

StarksEwing1 wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

Nalod wrote:

TheGame wrote:They need to free Frank. I get that last year he was not ready and Jeff was trying to save his job. But this year. There is no reason anyone other that Frank should be starting at pg. Mudiay is garbage. The guy is not good enough defensively or offensively to be a starter. Burke is solid but he gets shot-happy and he is going to get abused on defense. Not saying he does not play hard but there is only so much you can do at his height on defense. Frank is clearly the best defender of the three, and he can run the pick and roll. The Knicks need to just give this guy a full season as the man to see what he can really do as a starter. Frank was not ready last year but I think he will be surprisely good as a starter this year if they allow him to run the point. His preseason numbers translate to about 13 pts per game with solid percentages. As a starter, Frank likely would average 14-16 pts, 7-8 ast, 5 rebounds, 2 steals, and 1 block. That is solid production.

Wet dreaming

Wet dreaming? That's straight up Pornhub material.

He was referencing knicks1248 who claimed myself, Nalod, and others were "wet dreaming" Frank becoming a superstar just because we didnt agree with his assessment of Frank

Oh! I though he was referencing TheGame's projected stat line lol I think Frank will be up and down this season, but I expect him to improve.

knicks1248 wrote:Fiz is right in line with how I'm thinking, this kid is more suited for sf in this system.

ya'll keep thinking I don't like him, when it's more about me not liking him as a PG.

Ntilikina won’t be starting at point guard Friday as he did Monday against the Wizards — instead, Ron Baker will be the fourth different Knick to start there in five preseason games — but Fizdale wants to see Ntilikina guard the four, potentially another way to increase his minutes.

Though the coach said he wouldn’t put the 6-foot-6 Frenchman “on a big old beast four,” he figured the Nets — with perhaps DeMarre Carroll or Rondae Hollis-Jefferson at the position — might offer a good opportunity to begin trying it.

“Brooklyn is fast-paced, they usually play four perimeters and a big guy. Why not? Let’s see it,” Fizdale said. “The fours that play in our league now … how teams are playing, they’re playing perimeter guys at that spot. Frank, that’s why I said he gives me so many options for having a ball-handler that can do multiple things and guard multiple people. So that’s where I think the flexibility comes in.”

That's what I love about this coach, he is going to find the best possible way for you to capitalize on your strength.

I just think you prolong his development "in this system" if you force point guard responsibilities on him, too much thinking and not enough reacting. The kid just spent 4 yrs learning how to play the game a different way(and you know how you absorb info as a teenager)so he's 2 yrs in the hole compared to these AAu players who come in more NBA ready.....L him defend and be a glue guy and take the open shot. I think Point fwd is a good role for him (in this fast pace system).

That's all I'm saying, it's never been about me not liking him, at least Fiz is thinking outside the box

You have couple 100 posts in here somewhere saying Frank isn't anywhere close to being an NBA player. Backtracking much?

newyorknewyork wrote:

TheGame wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

TheGame wrote:They need to free Frank. I get that last year he was not ready and Jeff was trying to save his job. But this year. There is no reason anyone other that Frank should be starting at pg. Mudiay is garbage. The guy is not good enough defensively or offensively to be a starter. Burke is solid but he gets shot-happy and he is going to get abused on defense. Not saying he does not play hard but there is only so much you can do at his height on defense. Frank is clearly the best defender of the three, and he can run the pick and roll. The Knicks need to just give this guy a full season as the man to see what he can really do as a starter. Frank was not ready last year but I think he will be surprisely good as a starter this year if they allow him to run the point. His preseason numbers translate to about 13 pts per game with solid percentages. As a starter, Frank likely would average 14-16 pts, 7-8 ast, 5 rebounds, 2 steals, and 1 block. That is solid production.

very solid

But all 3 have major flaws and your just going to have to use these guys as you see fit...

If Frank averaged 13-14 pts 7-8 ast 5 rebs 2stls 1 blk per game as a 20 yr old 2nd yr player. It would mean he was budding star

But he won't average that.

Oh really. He won't average that you say. In four games in preseason if you turned his 17 minutss a game into 34 minutes, he would be averaging 13 pts, 4 rebounds, 3 assists, 2 steals, and 1 block a game on 44% shooting for the field and 50% shooting from three. That was with him playing pg only a small fraction of the time on the court. If he is the full-time pg, the assists would go up into the 7-8 range. The kid is nearly there now, the Knicks just need to unleash him.

5rebs, 7-8ast, 2stls, 1blk is All NBA level numbers. He isn't ready yet for that level of production. He will have nights where he has those #s and he will have nights where he has minimal box stats. He will then average out to I would say 9-10pts 4rebs 4ast 1-2stls like 0.7blks or something of that nature on 44-46% fg 35-37% from 3.

Frank averaged 3 assists a game last year playing backup point guard but somehow he could not average 7-8 assists as a starter with one year of experience under his belt. Hopefully the Knicks wise up, give this kid 34 minutes at the point, and let him do his thing. Cut Mudiay.

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TheGame wrote:

Allanfan20 wrote:

TheGame wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

TheGame wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

TheGame wrote:They need to free Frank. I get that last year he was not ready and Jeff was trying to save his job. But this year. There is no reason anyone other that Frank should be starting at pg. Mudiay is garbage. The guy is not good enough defensively or offensively to be a starter. Burke is solid but he gets shot-happy and he is going to get abused on defense. Not saying he does not play hard but there is only so much you can do at his height on defense. Frank is clearly the best defender of the three, and he can run the pick and roll. The Knicks need to just give this guy a full season as the man to see what he can really do as a starter. Frank was not ready last year but I think he will be surprisely good as a starter this year if they allow him to run the point. His preseason numbers translate to about 13 pts per game with solid percentages. As a starter, Frank likely would average 14-16 pts, 7-8 ast, 5 rebounds, 2 steals, and 1 block. That is solid production.

very solid

But all 3 have major flaws and your just going to have to use these guys as you see fit...

If Frank averaged 13-14 pts 7-8 ast 5 rebs 2stls 1 blk per game as a 20 yr old 2nd yr player. It would mean he was budding star

But he won't average that.

Oh really. He won't average that you say. In four games in preseason if you turned his 17 minutss a game into 34 minutes, he would be averaging 13 pts, 4 rebounds, 3 assists, 2 steals, and 1 block a game on 44% shooting for the field and 50% shooting from three. That was with him playing pg only a small fraction of the time on the court. If he is the full-time pg, the assists would go up into the 7-8 range. The kid is nearly there now, the Knicks just need to unleash him.

5rebs, 7-8ast, 2stls, 1blk is All NBA level numbers. He isn't ready yet for that level of production. He will have nights where he has those #s and he will have nights where he has minimal box stats. He will then average out to I would say 9-10pts 4rebs 4ast 1-2stls like 0.7blks or something of that nature on 44-46% fg 35-37% from 3.

Frank averaged 3 assists a game last year playing backup point guard but somehow he could not average 7-8 assists as a starter with one year of experience under his belt. Hopefully the Knicks wise up, give this kid 34 minutes at the point, and let him do his thing. Cut Mudiay.

It’s fair to say that he holds himself back. He definitely does immediately look for someone to pass too as soon as he can at times when there are scoring opportunities if he played aggresive. IMO, it’s a matter of him developing confidence. If he develops it, he could have really good production this season. If not, he can end up having a 5-3-1-1, 35% from the field season. Up to him. Hopefully it’s the former or at the least, somewhere in between.

That is what I am saying. The Knicks need to let this kid know that they believe in him, and tell him to go make it happen, so he can develop some confidence. The kid will grow in confidence if they tell him he is the pg. guys like Fox and Smith don't have scrubs like Mudiay taking minutes from them. The Knicks need to give this kid a real chance and start him and give him 33-35 minutes and tell him this is his team to guide. If by the end of the year he looks terrible, then at least you know what you got, but I don't think they are really giving him a fair chance to develop as the team's pg. we will see how it all plays out this year.

I agree. This is why this Front Office is weird to me. They talk about developing young players and then get complete garbage like Mudiay to come in and take minutes away from the people they are supposed to be developing. Dotson had promised too but couldn't ever get on court because of the logjam created by Mills and Perry. And to make it worse we have THJR, who isn't part of any future team but eats up starter minutes.

newyorknewyork wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:Fiz is right in line with how I'm thinking, this kid is more suited for sf in this system.

ya'll keep thinking I don't like him, when it's more about me not liking him as a PG.

Ntilikina won’t be starting at point guard Friday as he did Monday against the Wizards — instead, Ron Baker will be the fourth different Knick to start there in five preseason games — but Fizdale wants to see Ntilikina guard the four, potentially another way to increase his minutes.

Though the coach said he wouldn’t put the 6-foot-6 Frenchman “on a big old beast four,” he figured the Nets — with perhaps DeMarre Carroll or Rondae Hollis-Jefferson at the position — might offer a good opportunity to begin trying it.

“Brooklyn is fast-paced, they usually play four perimeters and a big guy. Why not? Let’s see it,” Fizdale said. “The fours that play in our league now … how teams are playing, they’re playing perimeter guys at that spot. Frank, that’s why I said he gives me so many options for having a ball-handler that can do multiple things and guard multiple people. So that’s where I think the flexibility comes in.”

That's what I love about this coach, he is going to find the best possible way for you to capitalize on your strength.

I just think you prolong his development "in this system" if you force point guard responsibilities on him, too much thinking and not enough reacting. The kid just spent 4 yrs learning how to play the game a different way(and you know how you absorb info as a teenager)so he's 2 yrs in the hole compared to these AAu players who come in more NBA ready.....L him defend and be a glue guy and take the open shot. I think Point fwd is a good role for him (in this fast pace system).

That's all I'm saying, it's never been about me not liking him, at least Fiz is thinking outside the box

Interesting that you feel Fizz is thinking outside the box when you routinely try to keep Frank in a box. Frank is going to play all over the court in a position less basketball setting. That is the luxury of drafting a 6'5, 7ft wingspan 19 yr old with guard skills and solid IQ.

I like the notion of him developing as much guard skills as possible as that will only enhance him has a player where ever he lines up. Your vision seems to be don't really develop him into a complete basketball player and just try to hid him.

There will be times when Frank should play PG to stop the PNR. There will be times when Frank will play Forward to provide multiple ball handlers and shooters. These are visions not necessarily this specific season but for seasons to come. The more complete a player he becomes, the more effective he will be regardless of where he lines up on the floor.