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10/10/2018  5:03 PM
VDesai wrote:Idiots who liked the Mo Taylor trade man up!!!

Thought Mo was the next Juwan Howard.
You playTrey Burke... Wally Szcerbiak
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10/10/2018  5:06 PM    LAST EDITED: 10/10/2018  5:07 PM
knicks1248 wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:
Nalod wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:
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Got this from realgm.

Looks like our triangle that nobody runs anymore pg has a lot of teams interested in him. But y would that be? What is it about this triangle specific player that has teams interested. I cant put my finger on it?

Not only that, but the Knicks haven't had any interest in trading him. Despite a regime change. Y would they want this triangle player when there is no more triangle?

It don't make no sense?

there you have it.

When your being offered 2nd round picks and longer contracts, basically pure trash in return of course your going to Hang up the phone just like they did with offers for KOQ, Lee, Noah, THJ.

Besides I never said trade frank, I said if there's was an opportunity to get a better player that fits or a higher pick they should entertain it.

You are really starting to make yourself look foolish. If you honestly think that a team was just offering a **** return for frank then you are really lost.

seriously I like the kid but he is the only draft pick we have had in 15 yrs with a projected minus win pct

ESTIMATED WINS ADDED AVERAGE

Out of every pick we had, Frank is the worse on this list and KP and D Lee are the best since 2003. Now I'm not sure what goes into these stats, but he is the only player in RED

http://www.draftexpress.com/clubhouse/Knicks-3/draft-picks-and-trades

Your not only stupid, your lazy. At least your not color blind.

From John Hollinger:

EWA = Estimated Wins Added is Value Added divided by 30, giving the estimated number of wins a player adds to a team’s season total above what a "replacement player" would produce.

BTW, how does one quantify this number? You don't understand it but you use it? Who did he replace?
Since the rookies don't have a rating, and Frank's scoring average is not high, is it that simple?
Don't use stuff you don't understand.

Honestly I dont know why I even bother with that guy. If he wont at least be upfront with his dissatisfaction with Frank and his selection then he should at least present credible facts to justifywhy frank doesnt fit in our future plan. I mean everyone else seems to be fair,objective, but still excited that frank is apart of the future. So either knicks 1248 knows more than all of us and the knicks organization or maybe he should reassess what he is saying

you 2 sound like you have wet dreams about this kid...lol

You more obsess than Nix was about the triangle

Nolad, most of the time your not even worth responding to your such a narrow mind bafoon.

What are you 5 years old or something? Just because I dont agree with your bull**** narrative about frank doesnt mean I have "wet dreams about the kid" ive been very honest about the kid. I never once said he was ever gonna be an all star let alone a star. If you look around this thread NOBODY buys into what you are saying so figure it out
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10/10/2018  11:06 PM
knicks1248 wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:
Nalod wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:
newyorknewyork wrote:

Got this from realgm.

Looks like our triangle that nobody runs anymore pg has a lot of teams interested in him. But y would that be? What is it about this triangle specific player that has teams interested. I cant put my finger on it?

Not only that, but the Knicks haven't had any interest in trading him. Despite a regime change. Y would they want this triangle player when there is no more triangle?

It don't make no sense?

there you have it.

When your being offered 2nd round picks and longer contracts, basically pure trash in return of course your going to Hang up the phone just like they did with offers for KOQ, Lee, Noah, THJ.

Besides I never said trade frank, I said if there's was an opportunity to get a better player that fits or a higher pick they should entertain it.

You are really starting to make yourself look foolish. If you honestly think that a team was just offering a **** return for frank then you are really lost.

seriously I like the kid but he is the only draft pick we have had in 15 yrs with a projected minus win pct

ESTIMATED WINS ADDED AVERAGE

Out of every pick we had, Frank is the worse on this list and KP and D Lee are the best since 2003. Now I'm not sure what goes into these stats, but he is the only player in RED

http://www.draftexpress.com/clubhouse/Knicks-3/draft-picks-and-trades

Your not only stupid, your lazy. At least your not color blind.

From John Hollinger:

EWA = Estimated Wins Added is Value Added divided by 30, giving the estimated number of wins a player adds to a team’s season total above what a "replacement player" would produce.

BTW, how does one quantify this number? You don't understand it but you use it? Who did he replace?
Since the rookies don't have a rating, and Frank's scoring average is not high, is it that simple?
Don't use stuff you don't understand.

Honestly I dont know why I even bother with that guy. If he wont at least be upfront with his dissatisfaction with Frank and his selection then he should at least present credible facts to justifywhy frank doesnt fit in our future plan. I mean everyone else seems to be fair,objective, but still excited that frank is apart of the future. So either knicks 1248 knows more than all of us and the knicks organization or maybe he should reassess what he is saying

you 2 sound like you have wet dreams about this kid...lol

You more obsess than Nix was about the triangle

Nolad, most of the time your not even worth responding to your such a narrow mind bafoon.



Your correct. When you lack credibility requests for validity are not worth responding to.
Knicks1248: 1. Dolan should be more involved! 2. Why would any knick fan want pick 8, when that spot has a history of producing marginal NBA taken. (He prefers pick 9th instead)
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10/10/2018  11:07 PM
knicks1248 wrote:I think frank shots selection is his number 1 problem, those long ass 2's(that he would take in a triangle set) are very low percentage shots, and it doesn't help his confidence when they brick off the rim. Every player has a sweet spot, whats his?

One thing is for certain..he's not a 2g or a Pg so maybe his best position is Sf

Thjr only thing for certain is you have an axe to grind. Go right for Dallas and Dennis Smith Jr.

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10/11/2018  1:41 PM
They need to free Frank. I get that last year he was not ready and Jeff was trying to save his job. But this year. There is no reason anyone other that Frank should be starting at pg. Mudiay is garbage. The guy is not good enough defensively or offensively to be a starter. Burke is solid but he gets shot-happy and he is going to get abused on defense. Not saying he does not play hard but there is only so much you can do at his height on defense. Frank is clearly the best defender of the three, and he can run the pick and roll. The Knicks need to just give this guy a full season as the man to see what he can really do as a starter. Frank was not ready last year but I think he will be surprisely good as a starter this year if they allow him to run the point. His preseason numbers translate to about 13 pts per game with solid percentages. As a starter, Frank likely would average 14-16 pts, 7-8 ast, 5 rebounds, 2 steals, and 1 block. That is solid production.
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10/11/2018  2:58 PM    LAST EDITED: 10/11/2018  2:59 PM
TheGame wrote:They need to free Frank. I get that last year he was not ready and Jeff was trying to save his job. But this year. There is no reason anyone other that Frank should be starting at pg. Mudiay is garbage. The guy is not good enough defensively or offensively to be a starter. Burke is solid but he gets shot-happy and he is going to get abused on defense. Not saying he does not play hard but there is only so much you can do at his height on defense. Frank is clearly the best defender of the three, and he can run the pick and roll. The Knicks need to just give this guy a full season as the man to see what he can really do as a starter. Frank was not ready last year but I think he will be surprisely good as a starter this year if they allow him to run the point. His preseason numbers translate to about 13 pts per game with solid percentages. As a starter, Frank likely would average 14-16 pts, 7-8 ast, 5 rebounds, 2 steals, and 1 block. That is solid production.

Wet dreaming

Knicks1248: 1. Dolan should be more involved! 2. Why would any knick fan want pick 8, when that spot has a history of producing marginal NBA taken. (He prefers pick 9th instead)
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10/11/2018  3:46 PM
Nalod wrote:
TheGame wrote:They need to free Frank. I get that last year he was not ready and Jeff was trying to save his job. But this year. There is no reason anyone other that Frank should be starting at pg. Mudiay is garbage. The guy is not good enough defensively or offensively to be a starter. Burke is solid but he gets shot-happy and he is going to get abused on defense. Not saying he does not play hard but there is only so much you can do at his height on defense. Frank is clearly the best defender of the three, and he can run the pick and roll. The Knicks need to just give this guy a full season as the man to see what he can really do as a starter. Frank was not ready last year but I think he will be surprisely good as a starter this year if they allow him to run the point. His preseason numbers translate to about 13 pts per game with solid percentages. As a starter, Frank likely would average 14-16 pts, 7-8 ast, 5 rebounds, 2 steals, and 1 block. That is solid production.

Wet dreaming

Wet dreaming? That's straight up Pornhub material.

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10/11/2018  3:56 PM
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Nalod wrote:
TheGame wrote:They need to free Frank. I get that last year he was not ready and Jeff was trying to save his job. But this year. There is no reason anyone other that Frank should be starting at pg. Mudiay is garbage. The guy is not good enough defensively or offensively to be a starter. Burke is solid but he gets shot-happy and he is going to get abused on defense. Not saying he does not play hard but there is only so much you can do at his height on defense. Frank is clearly the best defender of the three, and he can run the pick and roll. The Knicks need to just give this guy a full season as the man to see what he can really do as a starter. Frank was not ready last year but I think he will be surprisely good as a starter this year if they allow him to run the point. His preseason numbers translate to about 13 pts per game with solid percentages. As a starter, Frank likely would average 14-16 pts, 7-8 ast, 5 rebounds, 2 steals, and 1 block. That is solid production.

Wet dreaming

Wet dreaming? That's straight up Pornhub material.

He was referencing knicks1248 who claimed myself, Nalod, and others were "wet dreaming" Frank becoming a superstar just because we didnt agree with his assessment of Frank
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10/11/2018  4:02 PM
TheGame wrote:They need to free Frank. I get that last year he was not ready and Jeff was trying to save his job. But this year. There is no reason anyone other that Frank should be starting at pg. Mudiay is garbage. The guy is not good enough defensively or offensively to be a starter. Burke is solid but he gets shot-happy and he is going to get abused on defense. Not saying he does not play hard but there is only so much you can do at his height on defense. Frank is clearly the best defender of the three, and he can run the pick and roll. The Knicks need to just give this guy a full season as the man to see what he can really do as a starter. Frank was not ready last year but I think he will be surprisely good as a starter this year if they allow him to run the point. His preseason numbers translate to about 13 pts per game with solid percentages. As a starter, Frank likely would average 14-16 pts, 7-8 ast, 5 rebounds, 2 steals, and 1 block. That is solid production.

very solid

But all 3 have major flaws and your just going to have to use these guys as you see fit...

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10/11/2018  4:20 PM
knicks1248 wrote:
TheGame wrote:They need to free Frank. I get that last year he was not ready and Jeff was trying to save his job. But this year. There is no reason anyone other that Frank should be starting at pg. Mudiay is garbage. The guy is not good enough defensively or offensively to be a starter. Burke is solid but he gets shot-happy and he is going to get abused on defense. Not saying he does not play hard but there is only so much you can do at his height on defense. Frank is clearly the best defender of the three, and he can run the pick and roll. The Knicks need to just give this guy a full season as the man to see what he can really do as a starter. Frank was not ready last year but I think he will be surprisely good as a starter this year if they allow him to run the point. His preseason numbers translate to about 13 pts per game with solid percentages. As a starter, Frank likely would average 14-16 pts, 7-8 ast, 5 rebounds, 2 steals, and 1 block. That is solid production.

very solid

But all 3 have major flaws and your just going to have to use these guys as you see fit...

If Frank averaged 13-14 pts 7-8 ast 5 rebs 2stls 1 blk per game as a 20 yr old 2nd yr player. It would mean he was budding star

But he won't average that.

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newyorknewyork wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
TheGame wrote:They need to free Frank. I get that last year he was not ready and Jeff was trying to save his job. But this year. There is no reason anyone other that Frank should be starting at pg. Mudiay is garbage. The guy is not good enough defensively or offensively to be a starter. Burke is solid but he gets shot-happy and he is going to get abused on defense. Not saying he does not play hard but there is only so much you can do at his height on defense. Frank is clearly the best defender of the three, and he can run the pick and roll. The Knicks need to just give this guy a full season as the man to see what he can really do as a starter. Frank was not ready last year but I think he will be surprisely good as a starter this year if they allow him to run the point. His preseason numbers translate to about 13 pts per game with solid percentages. As a starter, Frank likely would average 14-16 pts, 7-8 ast, 5 rebounds, 2 steals, and 1 block. That is solid production.

very solid

But all 3 have major flaws and your just going to have to use these guys as you see fit...

If Frank averaged 13-14 pts 7-8 ast 5 rebs 2stls 1 blk per game as a 20 yr old 2nd yr player. It would mean he was budding star

But he won't average that.


if you could combine there skills and physical attributes into one person, we would have a really good pg
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10/11/2018  5:29 PM    LAST EDITED: 10/11/2018  5:31 PM
newyorknewyork wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
TheGame wrote:They need to free Frank. I get that last year he was not ready and Jeff was trying to save his job. But this year. There is no reason anyone other that Frank should be starting at pg. Mudiay is garbage. The guy is not good enough defensively or offensively to be a starter. Burke is solid but he gets shot-happy and he is going to get abused on defense. Not saying he does not play hard but there is only so much you can do at his height on defense. Frank is clearly the best defender of the three, and he can run the pick and roll. The Knicks need to just give this guy a full season as the man to see what he can really do as a starter. Frank was not ready last year but I think he will be surprisely good as a starter this year if they allow him to run the point. His preseason numbers translate to about 13 pts per game with solid percentages. As a starter, Frank likely would average 14-16 pts, 7-8 ast, 5 rebounds, 2 steals, and 1 block. That is solid production.

very solid

But all 3 have major flaws and your just going to have to use these guys as you see fit...

If Frank averaged 13-14 pts 7-8 ast 5 rebs 2stls 1 blk per game as a 20 yr old 2nd yr player. It would mean he was budding star

But he won't average that.

Oh really. He won't average that you say. In four games in preseason if you turned his 17 minutss a game into 34 minutes, he would be averaging 13 pts, 4 rebounds, 3 assists, 2 steals, and 1 block a game on 44% shooting for the field and 50% shooting from three. That was with him playing pg only a small fraction of the time on the court. If he is the full-time pg, the assists would go up into the 7-8 range. The kid is nearly there now, the Knicks just need to unleash him.

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10/11/2018  5:40 PM
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VDesai wrote:Idiots who liked the Mo Taylor trade man up!!!

Thought Mo was the next Juwan Howard.

oh man, i was just talking about this to someone. i was pumped about the mo taylor trade. he was a power forward from michigan. CWeb 2.0.

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10/11/2018  6:22 PM
StarksEwing1 wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote:
Nalod wrote:
TheGame wrote:They need to free Frank. I get that last year he was not ready and Jeff was trying to save his job. But this year. There is no reason anyone other that Frank should be starting at pg. Mudiay is garbage. The guy is not good enough defensively or offensively to be a starter. Burke is solid but he gets shot-happy and he is going to get abused on defense. Not saying he does not play hard but there is only so much you can do at his height on defense. Frank is clearly the best defender of the three, and he can run the pick and roll. The Knicks need to just give this guy a full season as the man to see what he can really do as a starter. Frank was not ready last year but I think he will be surprisely good as a starter this year if they allow him to run the point. His preseason numbers translate to about 13 pts per game with solid percentages. As a starter, Frank likely would average 14-16 pts, 7-8 ast, 5 rebounds, 2 steals, and 1 block. That is solid production.

Wet dreaming

Wet dreaming? That's straight up Pornhub material.

He was referencing knicks1248 who claimed myself, Nalod, and others were "wet dreaming" Frank becoming a superstar just because we didnt agree with his assessment of Frank

Oh! I though he was referencing TheGame's projected stat line lol I think Frank will be up and down this season, but I expect him to improve.

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Fiz is right in line with how I'm thinking, this kid is more suited for sf in this system.

ya'll keep thinking I don't like him, when it's more about me not liking him as a PG.

Ntilikina won’t be starting at point guard Friday as he did Monday against the Wizards — instead, Ron Baker will be the fourth different Knick to start there in five preseason games — but Fizdale wants to see Ntilikina guard the four, potentially another way to increase his minutes.

Though the coach said he wouldn’t put the 6-foot-6 Frenchman “on a big old beast four,” he figured the Nets — with perhaps DeMarre Carroll or Rondae Hollis-Jefferson at the position — might offer a good opportunity to begin trying it.

“Brooklyn is fast-paced, they usually play four perimeters and a big guy. Why not? Let’s see it,” Fizdale said. “The fours that play in our league now … how teams are playing, they’re playing perimeter guys at that spot. Frank, that’s why I said he gives me so many options for having a ball-handler that can do multiple things and guard multiple people. So that’s where I think the flexibility comes in.”

That's what I love about this coach, he is going to find the best possible way for you to capitalize on your strength.

I just think you prolong his development "in this system" if you force point guard responsibilities on him, too much thinking and not enough reacting. The kid just spent 4 yrs learning how to play the game a different way(and you know how you absorb info as a teenager)so he's 2 yrs in the hole compared to these AAu players who come in more NBA ready.....L him defend and be a glue guy and take the open shot. I think Point fwd is a good role for him (in this fast pace system).

That's all I'm saying, it's never been about me not liking him, at least Fiz is thinking outside the box

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10/11/2018  7:49 PM
knicks1248 wrote:Fiz is right in line with how I'm thinking, this kid is more suited for sf in this system.

ya'll keep thinking I don't like him, when it's more about me not liking him as a PG.

Ntilikina won’t be starting at point guard Friday as he did Monday against the Wizards — instead, Ron Baker will be the fourth different Knick to start there in five preseason games — but Fizdale wants to see Ntilikina guard the four, potentially another way to increase his minutes.

Though the coach said he wouldn’t put the 6-foot-6 Frenchman “on a big old beast four,” he figured the Nets — with perhaps DeMarre Carroll or Rondae Hollis-Jefferson at the position — might offer a good opportunity to begin trying it.

“Brooklyn is fast-paced, they usually play four perimeters and a big guy. Why not? Let’s see it,” Fizdale said. “The fours that play in our league now … how teams are playing, they’re playing perimeter guys at that spot. Frank, that’s why I said he gives me so many options for having a ball-handler that can do multiple things and guard multiple people. So that’s where I think the flexibility comes in.”

That's what I love about this coach, he is going to find the best possible way for you to capitalize on your strength.

I just think you prolong his development "in this system" if you force point guard responsibilities on him, too much thinking and not enough reacting. The kid just spent 4 yrs learning how to play the game a different way(and you know how you absorb info as a teenager)so he's 2 yrs in the hole compared to these AAu players who come in more NBA ready.....L him defend and be a glue guy and take the open shot. I think Point fwd is a good role for him (in this fast pace system).

That's all I'm saying, it's never been about me not liking him, at least Fiz is thinking outside the box

You have couple 100 posts in here somewhere saying Frank isn't anywhere close to being an NBA player. Backtracking much?

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10/11/2018  8:00 PM
TheGame wrote:
newyorknewyork wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
TheGame wrote:They need to free Frank. I get that last year he was not ready and Jeff was trying to save his job. But this year. There is no reason anyone other that Frank should be starting at pg. Mudiay is garbage. The guy is not good enough defensively or offensively to be a starter. Burke is solid but he gets shot-happy and he is going to get abused on defense. Not saying he does not play hard but there is only so much you can do at his height on defense. Frank is clearly the best defender of the three, and he can run the pick and roll. The Knicks need to just give this guy a full season as the man to see what he can really do as a starter. Frank was not ready last year but I think he will be surprisely good as a starter this year if they allow him to run the point. His preseason numbers translate to about 13 pts per game with solid percentages. As a starter, Frank likely would average 14-16 pts, 7-8 ast, 5 rebounds, 2 steals, and 1 block. That is solid production.

very solid

But all 3 have major flaws and your just going to have to use these guys as you see fit...

If Frank averaged 13-14 pts 7-8 ast 5 rebs 2stls 1 blk per game as a 20 yr old 2nd yr player. It would mean he was budding star

But he won't average that.

Oh really. He won't average that you say. In four games in preseason if you turned his 17 minutss a game into 34 minutes, he would be averaging 13 pts, 4 rebounds, 3 assists, 2 steals, and 1 block a game on 44% shooting for the field and 50% shooting from three. That was with him playing pg only a small fraction of the time on the court. If he is the full-time pg, the assists would go up into the 7-8 range. The kid is nearly there now, the Knicks just need to unleash him.

5rebs, 7-8ast, 2stls, 1blk is All NBA level numbers. He isn't ready yet for that level of production. He will have nights where he has those #s and he will have nights where he has minimal box stats. He will then average out to I would say 9-10pts 4rebs 4ast 1-2stls like 0.7blks or something of that nature on 44-46% fg 35-37% from 3.

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10/11/2018  8:10 PM
newyorknewyork wrote:
TheGame wrote:
newyorknewyork wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
TheGame wrote:They need to free Frank. I get that last year he was not ready and Jeff was trying to save his job. But this year. There is no reason anyone other that Frank should be starting at pg. Mudiay is garbage. The guy is not good enough defensively or offensively to be a starter. Burke is solid but he gets shot-happy and he is going to get abused on defense. Not saying he does not play hard but there is only so much you can do at his height on defense. Frank is clearly the best defender of the three, and he can run the pick and roll. The Knicks need to just give this guy a full season as the man to see what he can really do as a starter. Frank was not ready last year but I think he will be surprisely good as a starter this year if they allow him to run the point. His preseason numbers translate to about 13 pts per game with solid percentages. As a starter, Frank likely would average 14-16 pts, 7-8 ast, 5 rebounds, 2 steals, and 1 block. That is solid production.

very solid

But all 3 have major flaws and your just going to have to use these guys as you see fit...

If Frank averaged 13-14 pts 7-8 ast 5 rebs 2stls 1 blk per game as a 20 yr old 2nd yr player. It would mean he was budding star

But he won't average that.

Oh really. He won't average that you say. In four games in preseason if you turned his 17 minutss a game into 34 minutes, he would be averaging 13 pts, 4 rebounds, 3 assists, 2 steals, and 1 block a game on 44% shooting for the field and 50% shooting from three. That was with him playing pg only a small fraction of the time on the court. If he is the full-time pg, the assists would go up into the 7-8 range. The kid is nearly there now, the Knicks just need to unleash him.

5rebs, 7-8ast, 2stls, 1blk is All NBA level numbers. He isn't ready yet for that level of production. He will have nights where he has those #s and he will have nights where he has minimal box stats. He will then average out to I would say 9-10pts 4rebs 4ast 1-2stls like 0.7blks or something of that nature on 44-46% fg 35-37% from 3.

Frank averaged 3 assists a game last year playing backup point guard but somehow he could not average 7-8 assists as a starter with one year of experience under his belt. Hopefully the Knicks wise up, give this kid 34 minutes at the point, and let him do his thing. Cut Mudiay.

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10/11/2018  8:34 PM
TheGame wrote:
newyorknewyork wrote:
TheGame wrote:
newyorknewyork wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
TheGame wrote:They need to free Frank. I get that last year he was not ready and Jeff was trying to save his job. But this year. There is no reason anyone other that Frank should be starting at pg. Mudiay is garbage. The guy is not good enough defensively or offensively to be a starter. Burke is solid but he gets shot-happy and he is going to get abused on defense. Not saying he does not play hard but there is only so much you can do at his height on defense. Frank is clearly the best defender of the three, and he can run the pick and roll. The Knicks need to just give this guy a full season as the man to see what he can really do as a starter. Frank was not ready last year but I think he will be surprisely good as a starter this year if they allow him to run the point. His preseason numbers translate to about 13 pts per game with solid percentages. As a starter, Frank likely would average 14-16 pts, 7-8 ast, 5 rebounds, 2 steals, and 1 block. That is solid production.

very solid

But all 3 have major flaws and your just going to have to use these guys as you see fit...

If Frank averaged 13-14 pts 7-8 ast 5 rebs 2stls 1 blk per game as a 20 yr old 2nd yr player. It would mean he was budding star

But he won't average that.

Oh really. He won't average that you say. In four games in preseason if you turned his 17 minutss a game into 34 minutes, he would be averaging 13 pts, 4 rebounds, 3 assists, 2 steals, and 1 block a game on 44% shooting for the field and 50% shooting from three. That was with him playing pg only a small fraction of the time on the court. If he is the full-time pg, the assists would go up into the 7-8 range. The kid is nearly there now, the Knicks just need to unleash him.

5rebs, 7-8ast, 2stls, 1blk is All NBA level numbers. He isn't ready yet for that level of production. He will have nights where he has those #s and he will have nights where he has minimal box stats. He will then average out to I would say 9-10pts 4rebs 4ast 1-2stls like 0.7blks or something of that nature on 44-46% fg 35-37% from 3.

Frank averaged 3 assists a game last year playing backup point guard but somehow he could not average 7-8 assists as a starter with one year of experience under his belt. Hopefully the Knicks wise up, give this kid 34 minutes at the point, and let him do his thing. Cut Mudiay.

It’s fair to say that he holds himself back. He definitely does immediately look for someone to pass too as soon as he can at times when there are scoring opportunities if he played aggresive. IMO, it’s a matter of him developing confidence. If he develops it, he could have really good production this season. If not, he can end up having a 5-3-1-1, 35% from the field season. Up to him. Hopefully it’s the former or at the least, somewhere in between.

Title odds are 200:1. So you're saying there's a chance!
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10/11/2018  8:36 PM
VDesai wrote:Idiots who liked the Mo Taylor trade man up!!!

I tend to enjoy finer things in life such as beautiful women, good food, animals and forgetting about trades like that which happened during that era.

Title odds are 200:1. So you're saying there's a chance!
Frank haters can suck it

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