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GustavBahler
Posts: 41138 Alba Posts: 15 Joined: 7/12/2010 Member: #3186 |
9/25/2018 10:41 AM LAST EDITED: 9/25/2018 10:42 AM
Nice seeing drama from a distance. Butler is leaving his long time coach out to dry. Interesting to see where he lands. Not NY please.
Report: Tom Thibodeau met with Jimmy Butler Monday, tried to convince him to come to camp |
BigDaddyG
Posts: 37497 Alba Posts: 9 Joined: 1/22/2010 Member: #3049 |
9/25/2018 11:49 AM
GustavBahler wrote:Nice seeing drama from a distance. Butler is leaving his long time coach out to dry. Interesting to see where he lands. Not NY please. I don't see it that way. The fact that Towns agreed to an extension shortly after this mess, along with rumors and tweets that have circulated, makes it clear the organization doesn't want Butler. Thibodeau still wants Butler, sure. But the ownership, as expected is ptting their chips on the younger more talented player. Why would Butler stay? The situation has turned toxic. Always... always remember: Less is less. More is more. More is better and twice as much is good too. Not enough is bad, and too much is never enough except when it's just about right.
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GustavBahler
Posts: 41138 Alba Posts: 15 Joined: 7/12/2010 Member: #3186 |
9/25/2018 11:59 AM LAST EDITED: 9/25/2018 12:00 PM
BigDaddyG wrote:GustavBahler wrote:Nice seeing drama from a distance. Butler is leaving his long time coach out to dry. Interesting to see where he lands. Not NY please. I was under the impression that Butler wanted out first. We heard all summer about Butler not liking the effort from Towns/Wiggins. Sounds like Towns heard enough. |
TripleThreat
Posts: 23106 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 2/24/2012 Member: #3997 |
9/25/2018 6:31 PM
GustavBahler wrote:Nice seeing drama from a distance. Butler is leaving his long time coach out to dry. Interesting to see where he lands. Not NY please.
The argument that Thibs made to his owner is that if you bend the knee to Towns on the Butler issue, you've essentially made him the defcto GM, and he's an idiot. Thibs and Butler both see you can't win this way. Towns runs that team now. He won the battle, the power struggle, but lost the war. He's an idiot. Right now Butler is getting gutted in the press because Towns is simply more marketable and has more long term name brand value to the league and the shoe brands. Butler doesn't want to play on a team with a low effort ****head, no matter how talented, deciding how to build this team. Everyone wants to be LeGM, without understanding LBJ is a total ****ing idiot as the defacto GM of his team. Butler is no cakewalk, not even close, but I don't blame him here. Sometimes, when the person in front of you is big enough *******, you decide life is just too damn short. Life is too damn short to let a mental midget like Towns run a team into the ground in front of you. |
Marv
Posts: 35540 Alba Posts: 69 Joined: 9/2/2002 Member: #315 |
9/25/2018 7:54 PM
TripleThreat wrote:GustavBahler wrote:Nice seeing drama from a distance. Butler is leaving his long time coach out to dry. Interesting to see where he lands. Not NY please. what war did towns lose? he got his money, he got to be where he wants to be, he got rid of his arch enemy, he established his alpha status on his team. is his war to win? |
TripleThreat
Posts: 23106 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 2/24/2012 Member: #3997 |
9/26/2018 6:45 AM
Marv wrote:TripleThreat wrote:GustavBahler wrote:Nice seeing drama from a distance. Butler is leaving his long time coach out to dry. Interesting to see where he lands. Not NY please.
Players becoming the de facto GM does not work. Not in the NBA, not in any of the pro sports. It's very hard to separate your personal relationships with your contract relationships. When you play together, you are like family. Good or bad, it's family. It's hard to be objective. Even a coach struggles with a dual role. Towns is young and has no concept of relationships with owners, agents, the media, brands. On top of this, he's generating a **** reputation with the refs. He has no scouting background, no cap background, no analytics background. He doesn't under the deeper level intricacies of the CBA. He won a power struggle. To take the unofficial mantle where he is out of his depth. His team will lose accordingly. Trading for Butler and signing Teague was a "Buy In/Lock In" Meaning this was the run you could make now with that roster. Once you lock in, rosters are hard to shift and keep the same level of talent. Thibs and Butler are not blameless, but Towns has no business running his own team. "what war did towns lose? he got his money, he got to be where he wants to be, he got rid of his arch enemy, he established his alpha status on his team. is his war to win?" All to the detriment of actually winning. Butler can help you win. It's one thing if Towns played very hard, 200 percent effort and Butler and him didn't get a long. Much of the basis of conflict was that Towns wasn't playing hard all the time. Butler might be an *******, but it doesn't mean he doesn't have a point. Giving Towns this power also JUSTIFIES the behavior, that Towns doesn't have to play hard or answer to anyone. He's the "Alpha Dog". But this dog is a bitch. His team will lose accordingly. They might make the playoffs, but the ceiling of their potential success is gutted. The front office is also destabilized. I'm not saying Thibs is the right choice for this team, but this is a long term negative precedent for this team. NBA history is littered with guys ( Gary Payton, Kevin Garnett, Deron Williams, LBJ) who ****ed their teams for their egos. You aren't the Alpha Dog if you keep losing. Towns doesn't see that, but then again, he's a bitch and an idiot. |
Uptown
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9/30/2018 9:14 AM
TripleThreat wrote:GustavBahler wrote:Nice seeing drama from a distance. Butler is leaving his long time coach out to dry. Interesting to see where he lands. Not NY please. I see what you mean about LeGm...I mean he only won 3 rings as the so called defacto gm |
TripleThreat
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9/30/2018 6:33 PM
Uptown wrote:TripleThreat wrote:GustavBahler wrote:Nice seeing drama from a distance. Butler is leaving his long time coach out to dry. Interesting to see where he lands. Not NY please. There's a saying in professional sports "It's the full narrative but only half of the whole story" LeBron James really needed more help in all of his Finals runs. It's true, he did need more help. The marketing side of it is pitting LBJ against the entire world. Trying to make a generational player seem like an underdog. That's the full "narrative" The "whole story" is he self inflicted his will on multiple rosters gutting them to the point where his decisions are the reasons he didn't get more help. Wanted to hook up his good buddy Mike Miller in Miami. Team needed a center. Riley and Spo both said the team needed a center more than anything. But Wade buddy Haslem and Miller needed to get paid to keep LBJ and Wade happy. Thus the team sent out Big Z, Dampier, Joel Anthony and scraps to try to defend the pivot. Without Birdman, only via amnesty and his bizarre off the court situation, and a historical radical shift in Bosh's game, Miami doesn't win two rings. One of those rings was in a shortened season. The third was when Nike decided LBJ needed another ring and the Warriors got one of the worst jobbings in NBA officiating history. Trading Wiggins for Love, then Tristan Thompson, JR Smith, Jordan Clarkson. Ugh. Then being a diva/douchebag and kept running his coaches over roughshod. Luc Mbah A Moute was sitting out there and the Cavs went full Derrick Rose/Jose Calderon/Kyle Korver..... He's that great of a player, that he was able to overcome, a few times, his inherent deep flaws as LeGM. He wouldn't need to drag his teams into the Finals each year if he just let a GM and coach actually do their job. |
djsunyc
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10/10/2018 3:34 PM
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Panos
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10/10/2018 3:39 PM
djsunyc wrote:Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL: This is Isiah Thomas level circus ****. |