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Cartman718
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9/12/2018  11:23 AM
https://dailyknicks.com/2018/09/12/new-york-knicks-old-lottery-faces-dominate-2018-19-roster


Player Pos Draft
Kadeem Allen G 2017 Rnd 2 Pick 23
Ron Baker G 2016 Undrafted
Trey Burke G 2013 Rnd 1 Pick 9
Damyean Dotson SG 2017 Rnd 2 Pick 14
Tim Hardaway Jr. SG 2013 Rnd 1 Pick 24
Mario Hezonja SG 2015 Rnd 1 Pick 5
Isaiah Hicks PF 2017 Undrafted
Enes Kanter F 2011 Rnd 1 Pick 3
Kevin Knox SF 2018 Rnd 1 Pick 9
Luke Kornet F 2017 Undrafted
Courtney Lee SG 2008 Rnd 1 Pick 22
Emmanuel Mudiay SG 2015 Rnd 1 Pick 7
Joakim Noah FC 2007 Rnd 1 Pick 9
Frank Ntilikina PG 2017 Rnd 1 Pick 8
Kristaps Porzingis FC 2015 Rnd 1 Pick 4
Mitchell Robinson C 2018 Rnd 2 Pick 6
Lance Thomas F 2010 Undrafted
Allonzo Trier SG 2018 Undrafted
Noah Vonleh FC 2014 Rnd 1 Pick 9

This is another kudos to Perry and Mills essentially...when was the last time we had a roster like this with so many lottery picks from the last 5 years? I didn't highlight Joakim, the has-been and probably off the roster for good anyway.

In addition, other than the lottery picks, we know we are high on Mitchell Robinson, luke warm on Dotson, bullish on Kornet, bullish on Vonleh.

The average age of the Knicks roster minus Lee and Lance is 23. Let that sink in for a min.
Kanter and Hardaway are the "elder" statesmen of that group at age 26.

Kanter is a goner after this year, I'd think. Hardaway...under contract and this better be his year. I think he has to lead the charge with KP out. He does like to run up and down and with Frank's vision and with the average age of this roster...up tempo should not be a problem. If he does lead the charge, he could be that 23-24 pts per game scorer while KP is out.

Burke and Dotson both have targets on their backs...at 25 and 24 yrs old respectively, if they don't play efficiently, they'll be out of the NBA soon. With several guards entering the NBA each year and the FA class of 2019 and 2020 eyeing NYC...they have this year to prove themselves. If Dotson plays as bad as he did in summer league, he's gone. If Burke doesn't torch off the bench...he's gone too.

We do not have 2nd round picks for the next 3 years presumably so I can see Perry and Mills moving them to try their luck on future picks.

All in all, a great situation for the Knicks as a team to be in.

Nixluva is posting triangle screen grabs, even when nobody asks - Fishmike. LOL So are we going to reference that thread like the bible now? "The thread of Wroten Page 14 post 9" - EnySpree
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knicks1248
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9/12/2018  12:30 PM
Unfortunately, we have a roster full of young players that haven't lived up to there draft position (excluding knox and mitch). It would be a BLESSING if Fiz could get these guys to another level, but if these guys turn out to be avg to below avg, heads will roll again. It's just a stark reminder that ITS NOT WHERE YOU DRAFT, IT"S WHO YOU DRAFT.
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9/12/2018  12:50 PM
Cartman718 wrote:Burke and Dotson both have targets on their backs...at 25 and 24 yrs old respectively, if they don't play efficiently, they'll be out of the NBA soon. With several guards entering the NBA each year and the FA class of 2019 and 2020 eyeing NYC...they have this year to prove themselves. If Dotson plays as bad as he did in summer league, he's gone. If Burke doesn't torch off the bench...he's gone too.

Why are you zeroing in on Burke? I can see him sticking over Mudiaye. Burke may only play one side of the ball, but that's one side more than Mudiaye.

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9/12/2018  12:57 PM
Also, Baker is a goner
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9/12/2018  3:23 PM    LAST EDITED: 9/12/2018  3:23 PM
knicks1248 wrote:Unfortunately, we have a roster full of young players that haven't lived up to there draft position (excluding knox and mitch). It would be a BLESSING if Fiz could get these guys to another level, but if these guys turn out to be avg to below avg, heads will roll again. It's just a stark reminder that ITS NOT WHERE YOU DRAFT, IT"S WHO YOU DRAFT.

You cannot mine gold without you hands getting dirty.
Negative result is as useful as positive if you have a plan, goals, and culture.
All of this peaces have not much of the $$$ and contractual obligations strapped to them.
Knicks get a rare opportunity to use the whole season for assets evaluation and looks like they get a large pool of candidates.
We have very interesting and easygoing season of basketball in front of us which cannot go wrong.
Very sweet and comforting.

He can teach them to meditate... but no one can control even his own mind...
Cartman718
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9/12/2018  3:37 PM
Panos wrote:
Cartman718 wrote:Burke and Dotson both have targets on their backs...at 25 and 24 yrs old respectively, if they don't play efficiently, they'll be out of the NBA soon. With several guards entering the NBA each year and the FA class of 2019 and 2020 eyeing NYC...they have this year to prove themselves. If Dotson plays as bad as he did in summer league, he's gone. If Burke doesn't torch off the bench...he's gone too.

Why are you zeroing in on Burke? I can see him sticking over Mudiaye. Burke may only play one side of the ball, but that's one side more than Mudiaye.


Doubt that, Mudiay is 22...if they wanted one side of the ball, they'd have kept mcbuckets.
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9/12/2018  3:37 PM
Panos wrote:Also, Baker is a goner

baker was a goner before hornacek gave him that stupid contract

Nixluva is posting triangle screen grabs, even when nobody asks - Fishmike. LOL So are we going to reference that thread like the bible now? "The thread of Wroten Page 14 post 9" - EnySpree
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9/12/2018  4:32 PM
arkrud wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:Unfortunately, we have a roster full of young players that haven't lived up to there draft position (excluding knox and mitch). It would be a BLESSING if Fiz could get these guys to another level, but if these guys turn out to be avg to below avg, heads will roll again. It's just a stark reminder that ITS NOT WHERE YOU DRAFT, IT"S WHO YOU DRAFT.

You cannot mine gold without you hands getting dirty.
Negative result is as useful as positive if you have a plan, goals, and culture.
All of this peaces have not much of the $$$ and contractual obligations strapped to them.
Knicks get a rare opportunity to use the whole season for assets evaluation and looks like they get a large pool of candidates.
We have very interesting and easygoing season of basketball in front of us which cannot go wrong.
Very sweet and comforting.

Whenever we had a roster full of 1 yr players (the yr before amare got here) they tend to play selfish (gotta get mines) basketball, sort of like Beasly did last season, or the 09/10 season where everyone had the green light to launch.

When you have a roster that is mostly part of the now and future, they seemed to respond in a more team oriented style of play. They know their role on the team, they know the minutes they will get, they play for each other.

A lot is going to fall on this coaching staff because not only do you have a very young core with no star veterans, you have quite a few one yr players who are playing for their next contract and need to put up #s.

You will never ever ever ever ever change the culture of a team until you start winning..See the jaguars, see the Rams. I dont care if you change the coach, GM, prez, player, Nobody is excited to come to work to constantly lose..would you?

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9/12/2018  7:38 PM    LAST EDITED: 9/12/2018  7:39 PM
Cartman718 wrote:
Panos wrote:
Cartman718 wrote:Burke and Dotson both have targets on their backs...at 25 and 24 yrs old respectively, if they don't play efficiently, they'll be out of the NBA soon. With several guards entering the NBA each year and the FA class of 2019 and 2020 eyeing NYC...they have this year to prove themselves. If Dotson plays as bad as he did in summer league, he's gone. If Burke doesn't torch off the bench...he's gone too.

Why are you zeroing in on Burke? I can see him sticking over Mudiaye. Burke may only play one side of the ball, but that's one side more than Mudiaye.


Doubt that, Mudiay is 22...if they wanted one side of the ball, they'd have kept mcbuckets.

So neither side of the ball is better (Mudiaye)?
And by the way, McBuckets was neither side of the ball also after a good start.

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9/12/2018  9:53 PM
knicks1248 wrote:
arkrud wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:Unfortunately, we have a roster full of young players that haven't lived up to there draft position (excluding knox and mitch). It would be a BLESSING if Fiz could get these guys to another level, but if these guys turn out to be avg to below avg, heads will roll again. It's just a stark reminder that ITS NOT WHERE YOU DRAFT, IT"S WHO YOU DRAFT.

You cannot mine gold without you hands getting dirty.
Negative result is as useful as positive if you have a plan, goals, and culture.
All of this peaces have not much of the $$$ and contractual obligations strapped to them.
Knicks get a rare opportunity to use the whole season for assets evaluation and looks like they get a large pool of candidates.
We have very interesting and easygoing season of basketball in front of us which cannot go wrong.
Very sweet and comforting.

Whenever we had a roster full of 1 yr players (the yr before amare got here) they tend to play selfish (gotta get mines) basketball, sort of like Beasly did last season, or the 09/10 season where everyone had the green light to launch.

When you have a roster that is mostly part of the now and future, they seemed to respond in a more team oriented style of play. They know their role on the team, they know the minutes they will get, they play for each other.

A lot is going to fall on this coaching staff because not only do you have a very young core with no star veterans, you have quite a few one yr players who are playing for their next contract and need to put up #s.

You will never ever ever ever ever change the culture of a team until you start winning..See the jaguars, see the Rams. I dont care if you change the coach, GM, prez, player, Nobody is excited to come to work to constantly lose..would you?

Chicken and egg problem.
Cannot change culture before winning and cannot win before changing culture.
Professionals coming to work to perform at their best.
Winning or losing is irrelevant if player give it all to win.
For us fans it is a game, for pro players it have to be a job.
We saw to many players in NY who remained immature gamers for all their carrier.
That's why Knicks sucked. Enough of that.

He can teach them to meditate... but no one can control even his own mind...
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9/13/2018  8:44 AM
knicks1248 wrote:
arkrud wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:Unfortunately, we have a roster full of young players that haven't lived up to there draft position (excluding knox and mitch). It would be a BLESSING if Fiz could get these guys to another level, but if these guys turn out to be avg to below avg, heads will roll again. It's just a stark reminder that ITS NOT WHERE YOU DRAFT, IT"S WHO YOU DRAFT.

You cannot mine gold without you hands getting dirty.
Negative result is as useful as positive if you have a plan, goals, and culture.
All of this peaces have not much of the $$$ and contractual obligations strapped to them.
Knicks get a rare opportunity to use the whole season for assets evaluation and looks like they get a large pool of candidates.
We have very interesting and easygoing season of basketball in front of us which cannot go wrong.
Very sweet and comforting.

Whenever we had a roster full of 1 yr players (the yr before amare got here) they tend to play selfish (gotta get mines) basketball, sort of like Beasly did last season, or the 09/10 season where everyone had the green light to launch.

When you have a roster that is mostly part of the now and future, they seemed to respond in a more team oriented style of play. They know their role on the team, they know the minutes they will get, they play for each other.

A lot is going to fall on this coaching staff because not only do you have a very young core with no star veterans, you have quite a few one yr players who are playing for their next contract and need to put up #s.

You will never ever ever ever ever change the culture of a team until you start winning..See the jaguars, see the Rams. I dont care if you change the coach, GM, prez, player, Nobody is excited to come to work to constantly lose..would you?

It’s like your posts. Why do I read expecting to gain anything?

Knicks1248: 1. Dolan should be more involved! 2. Why would any knick fan want pick 8, when that spot has a history of producing marginal NBA taken. (He prefers pick 9th instead)
knicks1248
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9/13/2018  11:14 AM
Nalod wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
arkrud wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:Unfortunately, we have a roster full of young players that haven't lived up to there draft position (excluding knox and mitch). It would be a BLESSING if Fiz could get these guys to another level, but if these guys turn out to be avg to below avg, heads will roll again. It's just a stark reminder that ITS NOT WHERE YOU DRAFT, IT"S WHO YOU DRAFT.

You cannot mine gold without you hands getting dirty.
Negative result is as useful as positive if you have a plan, goals, and culture.
All of this peaces have not much of the $$$ and contractual obligations strapped to them.
Knicks get a rare opportunity to use the whole season for assets evaluation and looks like they get a large pool of candidates.
We have very interesting and easygoing season of basketball in front of us which cannot go wrong.
Very sweet and comforting.

Whenever we had a roster full of 1 yr players (the yr before amare got here) they tend to play selfish (gotta get mines) basketball, sort of like Beasly did last season, or the 09/10 season where everyone had the green light to launch.

When you have a roster that is mostly part of the now and future, they seemed to respond in a more team oriented style of play. They know their role on the team, they know the minutes they will get, they play for each other.

A lot is going to fall on this coaching staff because not only do you have a very young core with no star veterans, you have quite a few one yr players who are playing for their next contract and need to put up #s.

You will never ever ever ever ever change the culture of a team until you start winning..See the jaguars, see the Rams. I dont care if you change the coach, GM, prez, player, Nobody is excited to come to work to constantly lose..would you?

It’s like your posts. Why do I read expecting to gain anything?

you got the reading part, but the comprehension is so tough for you when your mind is in a box.. you can skip over my post you know, or maybe you cant comprehend that part either. since you always being negative nancy

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