arkrud wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

arkrud wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:The sad thing is that Phil was more or less on the same course as Perry, until Rose/Noah. Phil got playoff fever.

Melo needed some sudo-supper-friends to stay in NY on top of NTC and max.
Not sure why Phil believed that Melo is second coming of the GOAT.
In reality Melo was just the goat eating somebody else cabbage.
Phil created the most funny caricature on Supper-teams.
Was not funny for NY fans.

Yep. Melo made Phil give him a max and sign Rose and the cripple.

Yep - by fact of his existence on Knicks roster.
Melo was like expensive car with no use but to show of.
Phil decided that this car can also drive him places.
Delusional he was.

If the Knicks had their draft picks Im doubtful Melo gets resigned

Miami, though, wow are they screwed!

Melo FORCED Phil Jackson, with his 13 rings and his books, to cough up an NTC, and then SIGN the sinking Noah's ark and the broken stinky Rose. That's priceless.

Hey, at least this gives us hope that our FO could possibly work some magic with Noah's contract:

9. Timofey Mozgov, Magic
AGE YEAR SALARY
32 2018-19 $16M
33 2019-20 $16.7M
Having been traded from the Lakers to the Nets to the Hornets to the Magic since last June, Mozgov is living proof that no contract - no matter how onerous - is truly untradeable.

knicks1248 wrote:Thanks Phil...the worst contract currently in the NBA.

So i just wanted to know, who on this list would you trade NOAH for if they don't stretch him. I mean they are all obviously bad, but considering NOAH is sitting on a BEACH not earning a cent of his $$$..

Noah avg 16.6 miss games per yr since he join the league...the scary and disappointment part is KP is right on pace for that #.. Then i also think about MCdyess after the acl, and that dude was an athletic beast.

From this list, I'd take as an even swap with no other player(s) or asset(s) involved for Noah:

Gasol, Whiteside, Ibaka, Biyombo, Turner, Mahinmi, and Gallo

If an asset or young player I like still on a rookie scale contract were included, then I'd take on Dieng or James Johnson. Would even consider Dieng + Wiggins if the T'Wolves were willing to accept THJr + Lance Thomas in addition to taking on Noah in return. Dont know if it works out money wise but I'd consider it.

The Lakers Deng is beyond washed so no thanks to him. We have more than enough guards so no to Brandon Knight and Tyler Johnson. A very hard no on Knight particularly, want no parts of an overpaid guard coming off a knee injury when we already have a guard glut as it is. Wall and Griffin in abt 2 yrs will be battling for the top two spots on this list so no to both of them, respectively. Such a shame too, when both are fully healthy and playing well Wall and Griffin are fringe superstars who I enjoy to watch but those contracts are grossly horrendous. Mozgov is a stiff, essentially a highly overpaid version of ZaZa - hard pass on him as well. The Kartrashian Kurse is real so no to Tristan Thompson. Chandler and Anderson - HA! Wouldn't take either of those overpriced bums even if a lottery pick was attached (ok maybe if it was a Top 5 unprotected pick Id consider it, otherwise nah)

knicks1248 wrote:wow...I'm a little surprise at this, but one day we will find out the details of what was said or transpired with JH during that practice, it had to be crazy for you to be willing to eat that 36 mill contract and their probably going to waive baker, thats $40 mill combine...wow

Sources: Knicks still planning to part with veteran center Joakim Noah
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The New York Knicks remain unlikely to reincorporate exiled center Joakim Noah into the team under new coach David Fizdale and still plan to part ways with the veteran big man before training camp, league sources told ESPN.

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Unless general manager Scott Perry can find a trade that includes Noah, the Knicks will use the NBA's waive-and-stretch provision to release Noah sometime after Sept. 1, league sources said.

Noah, 33, has two years and $37.8 million left on his contract, and waiting until September to stretch it allows the Knicks to spread the balance of his remaining contract into smaller cap hits over the next three years.

After the hiring of Fizdale in June, Knicks management didn't rule out the possibility of Noah rejoining the organization for the 2018-19 season, but that scenario has gained no traction, league sources said.

Perry has been attempting to move Noah since prior to last February's trade deadline, but he has been cautiously unwilling to include the necessary assets -- a good young player, or a future first-round pick or picks -- to make Noah's contract palatable to another team.

Talks continued through the summer, but New York hasn't come close to finding a deal to unload Noah, league sources said. Using the stretch provision after Aug. 31 reduces Noah's cap hit to $6.4 million, saving the team $12.9 million toward the salary cap. Stretching his contract after Sept. 1 costs the Knicks $6.4 million in cap space in the summers of 2020 and 2021.

The $18.5 million salary for 2018-19 still counts toward the Knicks' salary cap, although that number could be reduced if a buyout is agreed upon with Noah, or if New York doesn't waive the set-off in his contract.

Noah and the Knicks separated in February following a heated argument between Noah and ex-coach Jeff Hornacek. The relationship spiraled after Noah and Hornacek had to be separated during a West Coast practice session in late January. Noah became vociferous toward Hornacek in the aftermath of a brief appearance in a Jan. 23 game and engaged the coach verbally in practice the next day.

In the end, that turned out to be the conclusion of Noah's brief tenure with the Knicks.

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Former Knicks president Phil Jackson signed Noah to a four-year, $72 million free-agent deal in July 2016 with the hope that he could be an anchor for New York's defense.

Noah, a two-time All-Star for the Chicago Bulls and 2014 Defensive Player of the Year, never made an impact with New York. He played 46 games in the 2016-17 season, losing time to various injuries and an arthroscopic surgery on his left knee. In February 2017, the NBA suspended Noah 20 games for taking a banned substance -- a suspension that cost him the first 12 games of the 2017-18 season.

Noah averaged 5 points and 8.8 rebounds in 22.1 minutes per game in his first season in New York. He averaged 1.7 points, 2 rebounds and 5.7 minutes in seven games in the 2017-18 season.

Yep. I'd rather they hold off on this until next season. I think having him and Kanter could be good for MitchRob's development. The coaching staff must fear that Noah won't be satisfied simply filling a mentorship role.

knicks1248 wrote:wow...I'm a little surprise at this, but one day we will find out the details of what was said or transpired with JH during that practice, it had to be crazy for you to be willing to eat that 36 mill contract and their probably going to waive baker, thats $40 mill combine...wow

Sources: Knicks still planning to part with veteran center Joakim Noah
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The New York Knicks remain unlikely to reincorporate exiled center Joakim Noah into the team under new coach David Fizdale and still plan to part ways with the veteran big man before training camp, league sources told ESPN.

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Unless general manager Scott Perry can find a trade that includes Noah, the Knicks will use the NBA's waive-and-stretch provision to release Noah sometime after Sept. 1, league sources said.

Noah, 33, has two years and $37.8 million left on his contract, and waiting until September to stretch it allows the Knicks to spread the balance of his remaining contract into smaller cap hits over the next three years.

After the hiring of Fizdale in June, Knicks management didn't rule out the possibility of Noah rejoining the organization for the 2018-19 season, but that scenario has gained no traction, league sources said.

Perry has been attempting to move Noah since prior to last February's trade deadline, but he has been cautiously unwilling to include the necessary assets -- a good young player, or a future first-round pick or picks -- to make Noah's contract palatable to another team.

Talks continued through the summer, but New York hasn't come close to finding a deal to unload Noah, league sources said. Using the stretch provision after Aug. 31 reduces Noah's cap hit to $6.4 million, saving the team $12.9 million toward the salary cap. Stretching his contract after Sept. 1 costs the Knicks $6.4 million in cap space in the summers of 2020 and 2021.

The $18.5 million salary for 2018-19 still counts toward the Knicks' salary cap, although that number could be reduced if a buyout is agreed upon with Noah, or if New York doesn't waive the set-off in his contract.

Noah and the Knicks separated in February following a heated argument between Noah and ex-coach Jeff Hornacek. The relationship spiraled after Noah and Hornacek had to be separated during a West Coast practice session in late January. Noah became vociferous toward Hornacek in the aftermath of a brief appearance in a Jan. 23 game and engaged the coach verbally in practice the next day.

In the end, that turned out to be the conclusion of Noah's brief tenure with the Knicks.

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Former Knicks president Phil Jackson signed Noah to a four-year, $72 million free-agent deal in July 2016 with the hope that he could be an anchor for New York's defense.

Noah, a two-time All-Star for the Chicago Bulls and 2014 Defensive Player of the Year, never made an impact with New York. He played 46 games in the 2016-17 season, losing time to various injuries and an arthroscopic surgery on his left knee. In February 2017, the NBA suspended Noah 20 games for taking a banned substance -- a suspension that cost him the first 12 games of the 2017-18 season.

Noah averaged 5 points and 8.8 rebounds in 22.1 minutes per game in his first season in New York. He averaged 1.7 points, 2 rebounds and 5.7 minutes in seven games in the 2017-18 season.

You know whats up, its the Rambis thing? You know, Nobody likes Rambis. I heard a rumor he don't even like himself!!!!
Why surprised, there have been like 100 articles that tell you he is untradeable, and by waiting you can take his last year and spread it to 3.
Would you rather give the minutes to Robinson? I would.
There is not future for him here. Waiting a year won't help his value if he don't play.
Move on, 6.4 on the cap won't be terrible.