Every season has been about, OK were not good enough so lets just lose on purpose, is that the CULTURE now

Walt Frazier said the Knicks should become part of one of the NBA’s biggest problems.

Because Kristaps Porzingis is still rehabbing from a torn ACL and expected to miss at least a significant amount of next season, Frazier said the Knicks would be in a far better position to contend in the future if the soon-to-be 23-year-old star isn’t brought back at all this coming season.

“I was taking with the commissioner [Adam Silver], and one of the problems is teams not trying to win … but for the Knicks, it’s the prudent thing to do,” Frazier said, following a press conference Tuesday at Madison Square Garden. “Why risk your franchise player if he’s not ready?”

Frazier said it would be best to give Porzingis more time to recover from the serious injury, then have him return in time for the beginning of the 2019-2020 season, when he could be paired with another high draft pick. If the Knicks allow Porzingis to play this season, they could potentially pick up meaningless, late-season wins and fall further back in the draft lottery.

Porzingis’ timetable to return is uncertain, but the star forward isn’t expected to be available to play until around Christmas. By then, the Knicks are projected to be heading toward their sixth straight season without a playoff berth.

But if new coach David Fizdale crafts an early-season miracle without the team’s best player, the Knicks still could bring Porzingis back for the stretch run.

“The situation should dictate itself,” Frazier said. “If they’re not in the playoff [race], they’ll probably look to hold him out. If they got a chance, they’ll bring him back.”

Until Porzingis returns, rookie Kevin Knox will take the spotlight, hoping to build off a strong summer-league debut.

“I thought he looked pretty good,” Frazier said. “He’s got a good offensive repertoire. Almost like KP, he’s very precocious, said all the right things. He’s pretty impressive on and off the court.”

2019 is expected to be one of the best FA classes since 2010, that's 9 years if your counting correctly, which means times like this don't happen to often.

The knicks need to hope and pray that KP is back quicker than anyone could imgaine, because he is their biggest selling point to any All star FA, and you need to know if he's worth a massive future investment, considering his miss a good amount of time every yr his been in the league.

I'm not sure you can go to Janis and say here's a 2 yr deal for your boy, take it or leave it. I really wouldn't go beyond that..It's too risky.

I think with this coaching staff should get 35 to 40 wins(barring any major injuries to anyone else) , nothing less.

GustavBahler wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:Does KP deserve a Max contract, I'm looking at things from a steph curry/GSW prospective. They refuse to give curry a max offer after his rookie contract because of consistent ankle injuries. They played it smart and offered him a reasonable deal.

I'm not sure you can go to Janis and say here's a 2 yr deal for your boy, take it or leave it. I really wouldn't go beyond that..It's too risky.

I think with this coaching staff should get 35 to 40 wins(barring any major injuries to anyone else) , nothing less.

Lots of stars have dealt with big injuries, early in their careers. Only one thing would give me pause about the Knicks giving KP the max. That would be another serious injury between the time KP comes back, and the end of his rookie deal. Otherwise, hope KP is here long term.

If Knox and Robinson pan out (looking good in that dept) KP wont have to shoulder as much of the offense in the coming years. And we'll be adding some big FAs, at sone point down the road. More can be done to keep KP healthy enough for a future playoff run.

In a perfect world this sounds good, but history has shown a different story. JUSTt remember, we can't be so bad that we look unattractive and dysfunction, like you can't lose 55 games and think guys are going to look good doing it.

It also seems like a lot of things phil question about KP is becoming a legit concerns

knicks1248 wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:Does KP deserve a Max contract, I'm looking at things from a steph curry/GSW prospective. They refuse to give curry a max offer after his rookie contract because of consistent ankle injuries. They played it smart and offered him a reasonable deal.

I'm not sure you can go to Janis and say here's a 2 yr deal for your boy, take it or leave it. I really wouldn't go beyond that..It's too risky.

I think with this coaching staff should get 35 to 40 wins(barring any major injuries to anyone else) , nothing less.

Lots of stars have dealt with big injuries, early in their careers. Only one thing would give me pause about the Knicks giving KP the max. That would be another serious injury between the time KP comes back, and the end of his rookie deal. Otherwise, hope KP is here long term.

If Knox and Robinson pan out (looking good in that dept) KP wont have to shoulder as much of the offense in the coming years. And we'll be adding some big FAs, at sone point down the road. More can be done to keep KP healthy enough for a future playoff run.

In a perfect world this sounds good, but history has shown a different story. JUSTt remember, we can't be so bad that we look unattractive and dysfunction, like you can't lose 55 games and think guys are going to look good doing it.

It also seems like a lot of things phil question about KP is becoming a legit concerns

In a perfect world, no player has serious injuries. Appears KP is taking his conditioning to the next level. If KP can avoid another serious injury, and is producing. Anything less than the max, and Im pretty sure he walks.

FAs see our rooks shining, KP healthy, and playing like an all-star.Fizdale getting the most out of his players given the current state of the roster.I see the Knicks getting their share of legitimate interest from quality FAs.

fishmike wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:Does KP deserve a Max contract, I'm looking at things from a steph curry/GSW prospective. They refuse to give curry a max offer after his rookie contract because of consistent ankle injuries. They played it smart and offered him a reasonable deal.

I'm not sure you can go to Janis and say here's a 2 yr deal for your boy, take it or leave it. I really wouldn't go beyond that..It's too risky.

I think with this coaching staff should get 35 to 40 wins(barring any major injuries to anyone else) , nothing less.

40 wins? Knicks big offseason acquisition were teenagers and you think they should win 10-15 more games than they did last year? Why?

when your replacing beaesly with knox

JH with Fiz

Jack with burke

and Mitch with KOQ..

but the coaching staff is really what I'm banking on..

you think JH and rambust could have taken BOSTONs roster as far is it went?

knicks1248 wrote:I'm really surprise at Walt on this.

Every season has been about, OK were not good enough so lets just lose on purpose, is that the CULTURE now

Walt Frazier said the Knicks should become part of one of the NBA’s biggest problems.

Because Kristaps Porzingis is still rehabbing from a torn ACL and expected to miss at least a significant amount of next season, Frazier said the Knicks would be in a far better position to contend in the future if the soon-to-be 23-year-old star isn’t brought back at all this coming season.

“I was taking with the commissioner [Adam Silver], and one of the problems is teams not trying to win … but for the Knicks, it’s the prudent thing to do,” Frazier said, following a press conference Tuesday at Madison Square Garden. “Why risk your franchise player if he’s not ready?”

Frazier said it would be best to give Porzingis more time to recover from the serious injury, then have him return in time for the beginning of the 2019-2020 season, when he could be paired with another high draft pick. If the Knicks allow Porzingis to play this season, they could potentially pick up meaningless, late-season wins and fall further back in the draft lottery.

Porzingis’ timetable to return is uncertain, but the star forward isn’t expected to be available to play until around Christmas. By then, the Knicks are projected to be heading toward their sixth straight season without a playoff berth.

But if new coach David Fizdale crafts an early-season miracle without the team’s best player, the Knicks still could bring Porzingis back for the stretch run.

“The situation should dictate itself,” Frazier said. “If they’re not in the playoff [race], they’ll probably look to hold him out. If they got a chance, they’ll bring him back.”

Until Porzingis returns, rookie Kevin Knox will take the spotlight, hoping to build off a strong summer-league debut.

“I thought he looked pretty good,” Frazier said. “He’s got a good offensive repertoire. Almost like KP, he’s very precocious, said all the right things. He’s pretty impressive on and off the court.”

2019 is expected to be one of the best FA classes since 2010, that's 9 years if your counting correctly, which means times like this don't happen to often.The knicks need to hope and pray that KP is back quicker than anyone could imgaine, because he is their biggest selling point to any All star FA, and you need to know if he's worth a massive future investment, considering his miss a good amount of time every yr his been in the league.

That's some profound Trump like statement right there!
1. You can count to 10 and you know that 9 comes after 8, but before 10.
2. its moronic because your saying the best class since 2010, but obvious it takes a few years to sort that out. 4-5 years to look back and make fair evaluation?
Whats equally moronic is you could have 2 good classes in three years. There is not repeatable probability.

Knicks are ahead of you. They are drafting young blue chip players and they will likely play. So its not like we are making a false run.
Im glad you can verify counting correctly.

knicks1248 wrote:

Nalod wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:I'm really surprise at Walt on this.

Every season has been about, OK were not good enough so lets just lose on purpose, is that the CULTURE now

Walt Frazier said the Knicks should become part of one of the NBA’s biggest problems.

Because Kristaps Porzingis is still rehabbing from a torn ACL and expected to miss at least a significant amount of next season, Frazier said the Knicks would be in a far better position to contend in the future if the soon-to-be 23-year-old star isn’t brought back at all this coming season.

“I was taking with the commissioner [Adam Silver], and one of the problems is teams not trying to win … but for the Knicks, it’s the prudent thing to do,” Frazier said, following a press conference Tuesday at Madison Square Garden. “Why risk your franchise player if he’s not ready?”

Frazier said it would be best to give Porzingis more time to recover from the serious injury, then have him return in time for the beginning of the 2019-2020 season, when he could be paired with another high draft pick. If the Knicks allow Porzingis to play this season, they could potentially pick up meaningless, late-season wins and fall further back in the draft lottery.

Porzingis’ timetable to return is uncertain, but the star forward isn’t expected to be available to play until around Christmas. By then, the Knicks are projected to be heading toward their sixth straight season without a playoff berth.

But if new coach David Fizdale crafts an early-season miracle without the team’s best player, the Knicks still could bring Porzingis back for the stretch run.

“The situation should dictate itself,” Frazier said. “If they’re not in the playoff [race], they’ll probably look to hold him out. If they got a chance, they’ll bring him back.”

Until Porzingis returns, rookie Kevin Knox will take the spotlight, hoping to build off a strong summer-league debut.

“I thought he looked pretty good,” Frazier said. “He’s got a good offensive repertoire. Almost like KP, he’s very precocious, said all the right things. He’s pretty impressive on and off the court.”

2019 is expected to be one of the best FA classes since 2010, that's 9 years if your counting correctly, which means times like this don't happen to often.The knicks need to hope and pray that KP is back quicker than anyone could imgaine, because he is their biggest selling point to any All star FA, and you need to know if he's worth a massive future investment, considering his miss a good amount of time every yr his been in the league.

That's some profound Trump like statement right there!
1. You can count to 10 and you know that 9 comes after 8, but before 10.
2. its moronic because your saying the best class since 2010, but obvious it takes a few years to sort that out. 4-5 years to look back and make fair evaluation?
Whats equally moronic is you could have 2 good classes in three years. There is not repeatable probability.

Knicks are ahead of you. They are drafting young blue chip players and they will likely play. So its not like we are making a false run.
Im glad you can verify counting correctly.

I see you didn't take your meds today

Deflection is a sign of weakness.

LegendD wrote:

why the hell is that scar so big!! I have had ACL surgery...scar wasn't that big and you have to continually keep rubbing it, it eventually goes away.

martin wrote:

Cartman718 wrote:

LegendD wrote:

why the hell is that scar so big!! I have had ACL surgery...scar wasn't that big and you have to continually keep rubbing it, it eventually goes away.

for me: why the hell is the scar off to the side of the knee. I think he had Patella Tendon replacement for his ACL and it usually comes from the middle of the patella, right down the middle. Very strange, never seen it this way

Didn't realize it was patellar tendon...that is definitely a good thing, that is stronger, but...it takes longer to get back to full range of mobility and strength. I think we can pretty much rule him out for all of next season.